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post Apr 11 2017, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(Puting Vladimir @ Apr 11 2017, 06:32 PM)
Is it possible to be a doctor if you're scared of blood? What i mean is it possible to overcome the blood phobia under rigorous training
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No.

Housemanship involves dealing with a LOT of blood.... countless of venepunctures, hundreds of surgeries etc... etc....


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post Apr 12 2017, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 11 2017, 05:35 PM)
Isn't there an understanding in place that those West Malaysians completing housemanships in East Malaysia gets priority in being allocated MO slots in W.M big cities/hospitals of their choice ?
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YUP, that's what I understand & told by people at the ministry
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QUOTE(areys @ Mar 18 2017, 09:28 PM)
Hey guys, Ive recently got my SPM result and thankfully I got straight As- 8A+ 1A
It've always been my dream to pursue studies in abroad (I know, typical kids trying to go overseas) Am I pushing my ideal too high hmm.gif cause there seems to be no more scholarship offering medical studies abroad???
My last hope was Yayasan Khazanah but they no longer send medical students abroad  sad.gif  but the YK representative said Newcastle Uni do send some third or fourth years to the branch in UK < can anyone confirm if this is true
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ya they do send merit students to uk something to do with research
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Mar 19 2017, 08:38 AM)
still lurking here?...i thought you are way past that....

both monash malaysia and numed degrees are not recognised in singapore...

while the numed degree is recognised by gmc, there is no option to do fy in uk at this point...whether brexit will make a difference, remains to be seen...

monash msia degree is recognised by amc/ahpra...and every year a few graduates do get intern jobs in oz...but it gets more difficult...i don't know of any that got jobs this year, because even those graduating in oz itself are not guaranteed jobs

the profession of doctors is under the dibp watch list, and may possibly be removed from the sol either this year, or next year (july is their new cycle month)....because there is no more shortage of doctors, and curtin starts their first intake this year....if that happens, then not only monash msia graduates cannot get jobs, but international students graduating from onshore oz med schools will also not be able to get a work visa to work after graduating....
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can i ask why the numed degree is not recognised in singapore? because i am planning to do my mbbs course there this september
and if the degree is not recognised in singapore, is there any other way that i will be able to work there ? tq
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post Apr 15 2017, 02:17 PM

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Spore has a list of recognised med schools....Check their website....

For offshore programmes, the condition for recognition is that the clinical component of the course must be done in the home country....Hence both numed and Monash msia not recognised...

They will give conditional registration to doctors with post graduate qualifications like MRCP/MRCS irrespective of the primary qualification...
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post Apr 15 2017, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2017, 02:17 PM)
Spore has a list of recognised med schools....Check their website....

For offshore programmes, the condition for recognition is that the clinical component of the course must be done in the home country....Hence both numed and Monash msia not recognised...

They will give conditional registration to doctors with post graduate qualifications like MRCP/MRCS irrespective of the primary qualification...
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The bold was correct previously , but SMC Second Schedule has since changed the wordings to :
"3. Only the campus that was in existence at the time of addition to the schedule will be recognised.
Any new campus that is off-site to the recognised main campus, whether in the same country or in a different country and whether the same degree is granted or not, will not be recognised by SMC."


Note:Time of addition to the SMC Schedule, of UK University of Newcastle upon Tyne - MBBS is year 2003.

Is Numed a 2003 campus ?

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Thanks for the heads up....This definition is better, as it involves assessing a particular campus and programme rather than blanket non recognition....It also recognise some unis have different med school within the same country....

And it potentially allow offshore branches to be recognised in future....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 15 2017, 04:53 PM)
Thanks for the heads up....This definition is better, as it involves assessing a particular campus and programme rather than blanket non recognition....It also recognise some unis have different med school within the same country....

And it potentially allow offshore branches to be recognised in future....
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Monash is in the midst of converting their MBBS to The Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine (MD) and will go thru revaluation by the respective country medical council .
I wonder this would make it recognised by Singapore ?

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QUOTE(tpleong @ Apr 17 2017, 04:06 PM)
Monash is in the midst of converting their MBBS to The Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine (MD)  and will go thru revaluation by the respective country medical council .
  I wonder this would make it recognised by Singapore ?
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there is no significant change in the course structure in monash, and the change is just in line with the changes in the main campus in melbourne....

based on the new smc guideline, theoretically, monash msia can request for assessment by smc, and potentially be recognised....
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post Apr 17 2017, 07:26 PM

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I highly doubt SMC will recognise monash imo.
But again anything can happen haha.
I wonder when will sg stop recruiting aka close its doors hmm..
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post Apr 18 2017, 12:17 AM

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the ntu/imperial med school only graduate their first batch in 2019...and then in small numbers....spore obviously has no intention of training enough doctors themselves....so they will continue to take in img...and they know they have a steady supply, all ready and paid for by others (gov, parents), queuing up to "volunteer"....

tpleong's question being representative of so many....eyeing and wanting to go work in spore...lol

but as ntu ramp up the numbers, the need for img will ease....and they may even be more selective....eg may drop um/ukm, as they appear to have problems with these graduates....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 18 2017, 12:17 AM)
the ntu/imperial med school only graduate their first batch in 2019...and then in small numbers....spore obviously has no intention of training enough doctors themselves....so they will continue to take in img...and they know they have a steady supply, all ready and paid for by others (gov, parents), queuing up to "volunteer"....

tpleong's question being representative of so many....eyeing and wanting to go work in spore...lol

but as ntu ramp up the numbers, the need for img will ease....and they may even be more selective....eg may drop um/ukm, as they appear to have problems with these graduates....
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There are alot of bursaries and scholarships as well for singaporeans doing medicine overseas so alot of opportunities for their locals to come back and fill the spaces.

As what you mentioned, care to elaborate what problems they are hmm.gif
I thought UM and UKM produce good quality students.
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QUOTE(Jckc @ Apr 18 2017, 02:12 AM)
There are alot of bursaries and scholarships as well for singaporeans doing medicine overseas so alot of opportunities for their locals to come back and fill the spaces.

As what you mentioned, care to elaborate what problems they are  hmm.gif 
I thought UM and UKM produce good quality students.
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the "scholarship" is for sporeans overseas, after their 1st year....is seems to work, as evidenced by the fact that in one oz med school last year, only one sporean stayed back...

it seems some msian graduates have issues with competency and adaptability...not perhaps an unexpected issue, in the light of msia's own experience with competency issues (which is NOT restricted to foreign mills) and the simple fact that msian education is never a simple meritocracy....you take people in using filters other than merits and suitability, and you can be assured some rotten apples will pass through....
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post Apr 18 2017, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Apr 18 2017, 12:17 AM)
the ntu/imperial med school only graduate their first batch in 2019...and then in small numbers....spore obviously has no intention of training enough doctors themselves....so they will continue to take in img...and they know they have a steady supply, all ready and paid for by others (gov, parents), queuing up to "volunteer"....

Beginning 2013/14 academic year,NTU/Imperial took in about 50 ish students, so first batch would graduate by mid 2018, albeit small numbers.
SMC used to recruit about 600-700 fresh MBBS graduates per year, including 300-350 or so of NUS and Duke-NUS combined.
Overseas trained non-citizens was about 300ish.

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post Apr 19 2017, 02:21 AM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Apr 18 2017, 07:37 PM)
Beginning 2013/14 academic year,NTU/Imperial took in about 50 ish students, so first batch would graduate by  mid 2018, albeit small numbers.
SMC used to recruit about 600-700 fresh MBBS graduates per year, including 300-350 or so of NUS and Duke-NUS combined.
Overseas trained non-citizens was about 300ish.
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Where do you get the stats for this smile.gif
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post Apr 19 2017, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(Jckc @ Apr 19 2017, 02:21 AM)
Where do you get the stats for this smile.gif
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From online reports of either SMC or Sing. Health Ministry detailing individual full names of candidates , graduating med schools and reporting hospital (clusters) etc ......
IIRC, it's for 2014 or 2015 intakes.
Speaking of online privacy , confused.gif

Edit:Btw, there are 287 residency matchings for 'House Officer and Medical Officer Group' in July 2015 batch, supposedly excluding 'direct' residencies for local ( graduating fresh ) graduates from NUS and Duke-NUS.

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post Apr 20 2017, 11:45 PM

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While we have a surplus of doctors (untrained), the UK has the opposite problem. I've just watched "Confessions of a Junior Doctor".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/04/19/c...yone-cares-nhs/
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Apr 20 2017, 11:45 PM)
While we have a surplus of doctors (untrained), the UK has the opposite problem. I've just watched "Confessions of a Junior Doctor".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/2017/04/19/c...yone-cares-nhs/
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haha DGHs like northampton are facing tons of pressure due to fewer junior docs and rota gaps.
Personally I havent been there yet but the other DGHs around east midlands (and whole of uk potentially) face similar issues such as one HO and one reg does the on call for the whole hospital and etc

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I wonder how much of the shortfall is a result of brexit?...
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QUOTE(Jckc @ Apr 21 2017, 02:43 AM)
haha DGHs like northampton are facing tons of pressure due to fewer junior docs and rota gaps.
Personally I havent been there yet but the other DGHs around east midlands (and whole of uk potentially) face similar issues such as one HO and one reg does the on call for the whole hospital and etc
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What's the difference, if any, between DGH and university hospitals?

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