Here is my scenario.

1. I verbally accepted a job position at company A last week. Company A went on to prepare offer letter and contract. The contract has not been signed by me.

2. I have recently received another job offer from company B, offering better terms with the same amount of job scope.

Since I have already verbally accepted company A, how should I reject them so that I can sign for company B? Will this affect my future/reputation because my promises don't count?

For your information I am in the Software Development line.

We are in the open market.. Should be no problem.. HR at company A will understand..

How if the case where already signed the offer letter plus is Mnc. Have any advise?

Politely reject company A.. Who knows they will increase the salary a bit..

reject company A if u dont like working there anymore..if they counter offer u back with better offer then its up to u..

Yes,as long as you hvnt sign,its ok i guess

nothing wrong isnt reject the company offer. they dont mind reject ppl's application also

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never thought of it this way before, but this is right.

TS - not sure with the reason why the HR didn't immediately had you to a sign any contracts immediately but it's their responsibility to do that.

Haha, I never thought of it this way. They are the employer. We are only kuli...

The reason the HR didn't sign me immediately is because they have others to interview. I also had other interviews to attend, so I wouldn't sign on my first interview. The job offer states I have 3 days to consider before the offer expires. It is the 2nd day today.

and while within that 3 days you verbally noticed them your acceptance?

No, the 3 days doesn't include verbal acceptance. I was contacted by phone last week to ask if I want to accept. I said OK. Then Company A prepared the job offer. Is it still too late to reject this offer?

ask better benefits.

I can try but I don't want to push my luck.

yeah..Like a boss good luck!

Just tell the hr you got better offer and reject it. I dont think it will affect your future since you havent work wif them before they wont waste their time to anti u. Im sure they haf other candidates in mind and u reject they will just take the next one.

When u start work u still under probation and they will still evaluate u. Got chance they dont want u at end of probation

I don't see any problem here, just accept whichever you feel right. I am HR Manager, I have seen many candidates sign up offer letter oso won't turn up to work. What else HR can do ? Go to the pasar near your home and tell everyone there? Cheerz!

Therefore in this case, it will be OK to leave during probation period? Won't that burden the HR to find a replacement?

Should be no problem. There is no black and white between TS and the company yet.

Haha! I hope everyone is as open minded as you. I just feel bad for making empty promises.

It will be burden a bit to find replacement. But the good thing is u havent even started. So they already have a list of candidates from the interview. You're not the only person qualified for the job. Im sure they have many back ups.

Also remember that under probation they can choose to not confirm u. So both parties are there to evaluate each other. U find better offer and run is the same as they find u not good enough and not confirm u. If they r good employer they will understand

Great answer. Thanks.

Now u can get higher salary job will u donate by buying nutella from me

Sure, I love nutella. Mother of all jams. I will pm you once I am ready to purchase.

Another way to look at it, why can't they give you better offer ? If they really need you, of course they will counter offer back, if not, they actually don't bother much and probably have another candidate to fill up that void pretty soon also. Stop feeling sorry for them, and look forward to join the new company.

Hi guys,

i am facing a similar dilemma, i have verbally accepted an offer from company X about 3 weeks ago and i am to start work next monday. However, i have received invitations for interview (one final and one second interview) from company Y and Z next tuesday (one in the morning and another in the afternoon).

I am more interested in these 2 companies and really want to give them a shot but how do i apply for leave on the 2nd of work. Is it normal for ppl to take leave on the 2nd day of work ? And company X has been really nice to me cause they accepted my request to start work in the beginning of June, which is 3 weeks away from the time i am offered the position.

One part of me is telling me to reject the 2 interviews and settle for company X as i have made them wait for 3 weeks. The other part of me is telling me to apply for leave and go for the interviews as these 2 companies interest me more. Please advise.

This post has been edited by thlo87: Jun 1 2012, 12:59 AM

tell them u can only start 2 days later lor.

^wow...

i may also soon find myself in a similar situation... sigh... but i guess we should be grateful that we will have jobs...

Wow. U are such a good hr manage. May I know after sign the offer letter which reason to left would most acceptable by u?

Btw if the term and condition state if sign d don't work need to pay one month salary. Will they reli asking for it or just let u go.?

Plus how if the company willing to wait u one month more until u graduate? Thnx.

Normally those people will not be contactable, normally don't answer calls from your office anymore, so you won't be getting any reason also.

Yes, company actually can go to labour dept to report it, but come on, you really think M'sia companies have many HR personnel nothing better to do than chasing that RM2k++ or more? Probably those Chinaman will go for it, but chances are slim. Myself is not doing HR only, so I definitely don't have time to even find a replacement, let alone go to labour dept.

Like that seem there are no different if u have signed or not signed the offer letter. U still can looking for better offer right.?

I think many fresh grad will face this prob soon. Hope those who experienced this before can provide some advise.



This post has been edited by cruin: Jun 1 2012, 01:40 AM

i think the most important thing is that to ensure the party that you are about to turn down their offer being properly informed.

TS not even work there yet....


do you mind to elaborate that sentence? How is that responsibilities?

Good day HR Manager
i hv a couple of questions in my head... i would like to know what are the possibilities that the new hr is doing these:
- offer a job the next day, sending emails (at least 1, sometimes 2 or 3) EVERYDAY asking me when is the start date
- kind of forcing me to offset my AL and join them earliest as possible, tat's why keep sending emails everyday
- after telling them the date i wanted to be, they suggested a date much earlier than it
- LO ready, asked me to sign the next day, i suggest 1 week later, they said cannot wait for tat long

may i know what the company really want to play?
come on, i still working and having my own concerns too, and also need time to consider (offer not up to expected)...
why can they keep disturbing me like mad?
i feel real frustrated and once/twice wanted to reject them already...

Since you haven't signed, it's okay. Though comp A may sound pissed, but life goes on...

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Added on June 1, 2012, 12:14 pmI'm curious though. Say if you already want candidate A, but after waiting for them serving notice (1-2months), contract signed, but ended up never show. What are you gonna do? How do you manage such a situation?

You still need someone to do the job.

This post has been edited by ace.princess: Jun 1 2012, 12:14 PM

happens all d time. just have to contact the next most suitable candidate, or take temp worker from agensi first lor.

Hmm.. In a slightly varied situation...

Resigned to join Company A...
- Company A supposedly needs to wait 1 mth after signed offer letter, but I extend to 2 mths bcoz of avoid losing bonus pay out in current company.
- Company A requests earlier join date. So requested early release (self compensated current company) and join Company A earlier.
- Company A pays in total package the expected amount I asked for.

Started in Company A a few days, and got offered from Company B.
- Company B pays about 10-12% more than I asked. Amount asked is same with both companies. But Company B comes with much more benefits overall.
- Company B is the one I always wanted to join since graduated.

So, would like to enquire if:
- Is it bad to terminate employment with Company A after working for just about a week?
- Supervisor has planned out training plans. Currently still in learning period only.
- Notice period is one week during probation, but is it possible to be released since there's no point for me to sit in the office for 1 week where I only do learning at the moment? It doesn't seem practical if I continue to do study and then leave one week later. No tasks assigned yet so nothing to handover or transition.
- Will I get blacklisted by Company A?
- I guess it will not leave a good impression to Company A and cause a lot of inconvenience but Company B's package is way more attractive. And I don't think Company A can match up to Company B's package.

Opinions from you all?

Thanks in advance!

I have once signed the offer letter from the new company.... Then suddenly my company made a counter offer.... The offer was really to good to turn down..... Then I politely called the new company and explained to them, luckily they were understanding and accepted it...

Dun mean to pour cold water on you but seriously are you a programmer? Dun want to push your luck? You got a better offer somewhere else so what do you mean by pushing your luck? Seriously, if you suggest a better offer, it's either they reject that offer and you get to your job with a better offer or they give you the better offer anyways. What do you mean by pushing your luck? And why are you so worried about reputation? Just proof yourself. If you are a failure in your work it does not matter how much integrity you have. But from the way your post I would not expect much anyways. It's not as if this company is going to spread news around saying that you are a defaulter. I mean the IT industry is so huge. I am sure that getting interviews left right and centre would have suggested that to you. Guess not.

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Added on June 2, 2012, 3:39 amYou should have suggested to the HR of the 2 companies that one of your interviews look good that you need your interview to be scheduled earlier since you are interested in working for the company but it would be a little complicated since you have another company that is about to make you an offer. If you did well for the first interview in company Y and Z then i am sure they would have accomodated your request. Then you would not have any dilema in the first place. Life is also a game friend. You need to have strategies. Otherwise how are you going to win?

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Added on June 2, 2012, 3:53 amSo are you willing to pay Company A the compensation that they paid for your early release? I think you have to since they paid for your bonus. If company B is the dream company i think it's worth it. Then just tell them that for some private reason you need to leave and that by law you can leave in 1 weaks time with no pay but because you dun feel good you are willing to forfeit the bonus that they have paid you.

This post has been edited by sylar111: Jun 2 2012, 03:53 AM

This is a last minute thing. I already verbally accepted the offer, and the contract is right in front of me. If I sign, I am expected to start work next week. Plus, the employer is already giving better terms than what I originally asked for. If I "re-raise", wouldn't that infuriate the HR and my future boss?

Thx sylar11 for your reply. Requesting for earlier interview dates with company Y and Z are impossible, interview with company Y comes in the form of a presentation to the panel of directors and the date is firm. In the case of company Z, the hr contacted me on Thursday and since Friday is a replacement holiday for them, that makes the earliest interview date, Monday clashes with my first working day with company X.

One possible strategy is to delay my start date with company X but is this better or worse than taking mc on the second day of work ? Pls advice

Company Y and Z are both FMCG mnc,

Quite straight forward. Just send an email to them saying that you do not want to take up the job due to personal issues. Apologize for the trouble you caused . If they called you up just apologize and say that you cannot take up that job due to unforeseen circumstances and it is not convenient to reveal it. At least this shows that you respect the company.

Here is my answer:

i. WOOKIE. No problem.
ii. WOOKIE. Well understood.
iii. (a) Open your mouth + provide 'em with valid and sensible reason(s) by (a) call 'em up (b) walk-in to 'em and tell 'em
iii. (b) No. No effect on you or whatsoever.

For your information, please don't be a dummy even though you are in the Software Development line.

Regards, Joey

This sounds appropriate. I don't want to show disrespect to anyone. Thanks!