Did you guys see the new user agreement we were forced to accept? I just read some briefly.

- Blizzard owns the whole game, you're not entitled to any claims.
- Use of service is leased. Downtime and any other time the game is down is expected and u cannot expect sue or expect compensation for blizzard should the game go down for xxx amount of time.
- you're not entitled to refunds, period.
- u cant keep more than usd 100 in your account without an authenticator.
- blizzard is not responsible for you loss of items or money.
- All sharing or transfer of account is banned and strictly prohibited, etc.


Just some of the stuff i read till the wall of text killed me, isn't this heavily skewed in their favour.

first day play "online only" game ke?

memang liddat one.

dun agree, dun play.
play, dun complain.

so need to buy authenticator to have more than usd100 in RMAH?

considering everyone have smartphones for mobile authenticator

or it's easy to by the authenticcator in malaysia.

also, this refers to monies inside battle.net balance. and, monies once gone inside battle.net balance, cannot be transferred else where, ever.

can only be used to purchase blizzard product, or spend in RMAH.

u do not want to put monies into your battle.net balance, ever.

well, unless u intend to use those monies (inside your battle.net balance) to purchase blizzard products or spend monies in the diablo 3 RMAH.

because those monies inside your battle.net balance is going no where else.

oh, for bnet balance.

I didnt even read.

If u dont agree then why should u keep playing? If u want to play u have to agree

huh? i thought if you sell something in RMAH, the money will go to your battle.net balance

then when you want to take out from it to your account, it will cost 15% of it?

sure or not ?

I thought you can transfer to paypal with a 15% charge

also, to purchase something from RMAH, you will need to put in money to ur battlenet balance 1st



This post has been edited by samlee860407: May 30 2012, 03:59 PM

that is understandable . To ensure you got the money to bid for the item.

yea, so it won't be correct if you can't take out the money from your battlenet balance forever

nope. read the rmah faq again.
monies once masuk battle.net balance will not come out. ever.

can direct go into paypal.
blizzard charge extra 15% for that.

say sell weapon, blizzard tax usd1 per weapon sold.
then wanna direct transfer into paypal. blizzard tax another 15%



sos here:
http://sea.battle.net/support/en/article/d...nctionality#q12


How do I “cash out” from the real-money auction house?
As an advanced feature, players in certain regions will have the option of attaching an account with an approved third-party payment service such as PayPal to their Battle.net account. Once this has been completed, proceeds from the sale of items in the real-money auction house can be deposited into their third-party payment service account. “Cashing out” is then handled through the third-party payment service. Players must decide whether to use this method before posting an auction. Note, however, that if receiving the proceeds of a sale into a player’s Battle.net Balance would put that player’s balance over the maximum permitted balance, the player must receive the proceeds through an approved third-party payment service (in regions where available). In regions where an approved third-party payment service is not available, once a player’s Battle.net Balance reaches the maximum permitted balance, the player cannot make further sales on the real-money auction house.

Note that the process of sending proceeds to a third-party payment service will be subject to applicable fees charged by Blizzard and the third-party payment service. Also, any proceeds from the sale of items in the real-money auction house that have been sent to the player’s Battle.net Balance will not be transferrable to the third-party payment service account.


note underlined parts.

third-party payment service account refers to paypal.

the monies in your battle.net balance can only be used to purchased blizzard products and spend in the diablo 3 auction house.

the monies cannot be transferred out.

it is a one way ticket.

hmmm i dun think so.

sos:
http://sea.battle.net/support/en/article/d...unctionality#q5

How do I pay for items?
For the gold-based auction house, purchases will be made using in-game gold. For the real-money auction house, players can make purchases using a supported payment method attached to their Battle.net account, such as a major credit card or an attached PayPal account. Players will also have the option to use their Battle.net Balance to pay for purchases in the real-money auction house.

funds in battle.net balance not required.

blizzard only cares if you have "major" credit card or paypal account to pay for the goods in RMAH.



do u guys even read the FAQ?

This post has been edited by Deimos Tel`Arin: May 30 2012, 04:06 PM

means that when I sell, I straight away have to choose which method I want already?

Hmm....

Ah...faham faham. I only read the forum part nia thats why

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Added on May 30, 2012, 4:10 pmI wonder how next time. If I have lets say USD10 in my battlenet balance, then lets say D3 expansion cost USD20, means I have to top up my battlenet balance using my CC to use battlenet balance to purchase riao

macam very mahuan

This post has been edited by samlee860407: May 30 2012, 04:10 PM

yup. battle.net balance (one way ticket) or paypal.

ooo okies.

here da summary:
- Receive proceeds of sale into either Battle.net balance or PayPal account.
- Must choose either Battle.net balance or PayPal for each auction listing.
- Cash inside the Battle.net balance cannot be transferred to PayPal.
- Must sign up SMS Protect authentication to “cash out” with PayPal.

erm yalor. i think so.
and from the text u quoted, reload battle.net balance macam even more mafan.
need wait many days.

hm...true

come to think of it, ok also la if battlenet balance. I doubt I can sell much there too, so if really manage to sell, and add in too much money for purchase, next time kasi use it to beli digital edition (which i usually do) and no need pay for that crazy 15% =.='

yup. this is one method.
also can buy wow reload card then sell them cheap to people.

as expected lor. you expect them to agree to compensate you for everything?

fuh, then when balance in RMAH reach 90USD, need to transfer to paypal and 15% will be deducted. that is 13.50USD fee for each 90USD from RMAH to paypal. T

hen from Paypal transfer to our local bank will deduct anpther 15% fee if im not mistaken.

hmm, but still ok what. can play and gain profit at same time. (I would like to try out selling item in RMAH, but I dont expect to get a big profit)

wow someone actually read it.

but yeah, the general gist is:
"complain, dun play
play, dun complain"

see that south park episode too much d of not reading lol

btw, a person can only read it when they installing, so if he dont agree means can refund? =.='

its not installing, when u login 1st time after the maintenance today they updated a new user agreement.

Hmm yeah thought it was odd that an update included an updated UA. Hmm at least u read through, interesting

usd90 inside battle.net balance cannot transfer to paypal.

anyone receive errror fail to download the agreement ? got this error after updating..

then need how much USD can transfer to paypal? o.O

Sorry i think some of the replies are heavily retarded. You buy something, there is legal implications if what you buy isn't delivered or faulty. You don't go receiving a broken phone that u paid 1k usd for and receive a response take it or leave it for something that is broken.

The change of the UA was like going to the doctor and if he prescribes the wrong drug and kills you that's ok, no legal implications to a a lesser extent. I understand there's been a lot of d3 sucks so on and so forth but do some of you even think before replying? Service agreements and gameplay are totally different, if a service agreement is heavily skewed it means that support can and may be terrible or in the event things go very bad the companies involved wouldn't even need to lift a thumb to fix things.

There must be a reason for the updated UA, they wont go to extra lengths to update it unless there's something they are anticipating in terms of user response and like any intelligent consumers I thought there would be more who would bother to read through something before they accept it, even if isn't something we don't have much a choice in, there could be further discussions as to why certain things have been implemented and the implications of these actions instead of turning a blind eye and then complaining when shit hits the fan. Being a smart consumer is knowing what you're accepting and at least preparing for the options available beforehand.

This post has been edited by Tak3shi: May 31 2012, 03:11 AM

ahh now i understand. its either we choose battlenet account OR paypal to channel the money from RMAH.

erm it is still the same.

if you want to play, you must agree with their terms and conditions.

it is just that simple.

if you don't agree to the UA you can uninstall the game and claim for refund

=edit=
provided you haven't clicked agree before and played...

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: May 31 2012, 09:15 AM

more like you have to agree to the T&C before buying the game

nope. anyone can buy the game before agreeing to the terms & conditions.

but after you buy and activate it, but not agree with t&c, cannot reclaim ur money, right?

if ur in america you could.

if suddenly Blizzard decided to close D3, u guys can't complaint.
we can't say what gonna happen next year, 3 years, 5 years .... itu Kotick bukan boleh percaya sangat, later he buat gila, release D4 next year, close D3 server for D4.

because we have nothing on our side, when the server closed = GG, game has no value whatsoever.

This post has been edited by AbdullahCheng: May 31 2012, 10:38 AM

Hahaha i duno whether its u who heavily retard or some of ppl here.

If u dont agree then feel free to ask for full refund, u can also go report police and/or consumer tribunal against Blizzard.