That's right. Students CANNOT FAIL here and I will tell you how and why. Student=Money. When a lecturer fails a student, he/she has to go see Tan Sri personally. And every staff knows that the conversation will be something like

LKW: Why u fail the students?
Lecturer: Cuz he did not perform
LKW: WHat do u mean by did not perform?
Lecturer: Cuz he didnt come to class, didnt submit assignment and didnt come for exam.
LKW: Did u call the students and ask why he didnt come? Did u do a counselling session with him and ask what is his problem? The students is YOUR responsiblity, you should take care of the students. If the students didnt submit the assignment, did you ask him to do supplementary work?.........bla bla bla

At this point the lecturer will kena Kau Kau and sure cannot answer one. Thats why rather than looking for trouble, the lecturer just pass the student la.

The way HE sees it, if one student fail, he will lose interest and tend to change university which is easier.
1 student = RM 75,000 (for 3years)
If 5 students FAIL
Uni will make LOSS= 375,000
If 15 students Fail? = U do the counting.

How do u think he can use Rolls Royce which cost 4 million? Sime Darby CEO also use mercedez

Firstly, your implication that the institution will earn more by passing the students regardless of their performance; doesn't make sense, and it also doesn't mean that once the students have failed, they will all "automatically" be changing institutions as you have implied;

Think of it this way; if a student fails a subject, he/she WILL naturally/definitely have to repeat it in order to complete the full program...; unless he or she should decide to quit the entire course altogether; which is certainly very unlikely due to the fact that the student had specifically chosen that course in the first place, which is certainly what he/she wants to be in the future.

Just take a look around; at the institution & course I'm currently in for example, students who have failed specific subject(s) had "systematically" proceeded to repeat those subjects in their new semester once again. (Only one of two had decided to quit the entire course altogether, and that is usually because they have already came to the firm conclusion that this particular course is not for them, or that they had been accepted into another better institution for the same course.)

Other than that; what other choices does the student has than to repeat the failed subjects once again in order to get to pass & complete the program?

Looking at the vast amount of students coming in every semester, the institution will certainly still earn regardless; even if all the students start quitting their courses halfway through...

Just look at the additional amount of charges that the failed students would have to undergo just for re-submission of projects or re-sitting of exams (provided the failed students are being given such a chance to begin with - as this certainly cost less); not to forget the cost of appealing as well, which the failed students will certainly be making.

Obviously students would have to pay the institution even much more to REPEAT the particular subject(s) once again next semester.

Obviously if money is such a concern, the institutions would certainly love to fail the students at maximum opportunity. (It is certainly very hard for the students to decide to quit the entire course at the point of time, unless they are the type that just love throwing money away to such institutions.) (The institution would be earning no matter what; regardless of the students quitting or not.) (Most students would just decide to repeat instead of changing institutions for just the same course once again.)


Secondly, having a "fail-safe" option or "security-boundary/check" in place; to prevent lecturers from simply failing students is a very good practice in my opinion; as lecturers simply failing students out of emotional stress/reasons tend to be characteristically commonplace among institutions.

Indeed, the lecturers who have failed students should be answerable to the higher authorities as to the rational for doing so; objectively according to the outlines, briefs, criteria(s), & such.

Obviously a student should "logically" FAIL if he/she did NOT do work, did not submit assignments ( ), did not attend the presentations, or did not attend the exams/tests as such ( ). (What an understatement to say that such students would fail...)


Finally, it is good that lecturers should be having responsibility; like you have mentioned LUCT has in your post above.


Because if it is indeed free of charge (FOC) or fees heavily subsidized; then by all means be driven to be "hard" or even "brutal" to the students to your heart's content! (Because after all, the students don't have to pay; and they are having free education in a world class institution of renowned standard; that WILL get them employed once they are out.)

But in this case, in expensive private institutions such as LUCT or Taylors; "Students are paying "A LOT" of money" for degrees that are not even accredited and can guarantee the student's bright future for example... As such, do such institutions need to be so arrogant & egoistic (and start failing students acting like they are the best-elite institution out there)?


BTW, there is really nothing wrong with LUCT as far as I can see, other than the higher fees than usual (where Taylors is no different), and the rowdy/distracting African-American students in there (?). (The Malaysian students over here in Taylors are certainly very rowdy & distracting to the study environment as well.)


P.S., having an "exclusive" topic/thread in this forum just for complaining & attacking this particular institution (LUCT) is way too "premium" & "exclusive" in my opinion. (I guess there should also be such a topic/thread for some of the other institutions as well.)


Anyway, enjoy your life at LUCT, there is really nothing bad about it from what I can see. (If you are not so strong financially and have the desire to be around only with Malaysian students; then there are certainly plenty of other choices around.)


Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jun 30 2011, 01:45 AM

Well, I've been with LUCT for 5 Years as a student and as a staff. The whole place is a CIRCUS. I've heard the darkside story of Taylors as well, but still its farrr wayy better than LUCT.

About the TURNOVER rate, yes it is true. LUCT has a VERY high Turnover rates. So far the record is 3 hours, the lecturer came in the morning at 9am. Then go lunch at 12 and never come back cuz cannot tahan. If you have any close frens or relative that has worked here b4, ask them what did they went through in this circus

About the good things, of course LUCT has its Pros as well. But why shud I talk about it when everybody knows it

I'm from LKW,
since this topic had been discussed for ages, I'll not talk much about that. i'll be talk about for new comers as what TR said at 2006 ( too lazy to go thru all comments xD )

- environment is all good, lecturer is helpful, student and classmate is variety that it depends on how you place yourself in which group of people and what position when studying. I'm good with my classmate, we always can visit to faculty whenever lect is free and they are so willing to help those students are serious in study. trust me, if you're clear enough to serious and willing to study, those negative students wont pull u down.

- do compare to other uni that ''standard & level'' are close to lkw as taylor. find out which study environment suit u best.

actually taylor was my first choice instead of lkw. but there is a reason why and it is because lkw consultant is much concern and willing to talk to a student like me which is only 2 credit in spm.
for taylor, we had finished the consultation within 10~15mins with just 1 answer to me: without at least 3 credit, u can't study here.( maybe i was bad luck to met up 1 of the suckest consultant in taylor? ) but i deal with lkw without bribery xD
inbox me if want to know more, peace =)

This post has been edited by dtjc: Jul 1 2011, 10:59 AM

Does anyone have a list of the "fees" for the Design programs? (I'm specifically interested in the Architecture program.)


As an aside, I have also decided to read through this entire thread just now and came across specific figures of the high fees mentioned by some of the members in here, and I got to say that;

Taylors is suddenly made to be even much more expensive than ever then...; when comparing to LUCT...


For example, RM 30K & 50K for the diploma & 4 year degree programs at LUCT is certainly very reasonable indeed..., at Taylors, the diploma programs = RM 60K (the old rate), and the new 3 year degree programs are close to about RM 200K...


As for the accommodation here at Taylors; I am paying about RM 1000 a month for just a tiny space... (I was also informed that the shared rooms cost exactly the same...) Then, would you also like to pay RM 10 for each meals?

"But never mind, because Taylors students are very rich and drive expensive sport cars; they can afford it." - Said by the staffs.


Hence, LUCT is not that expensive after all... (As I have been given the impression of...)


I'll really appreciate it if someone could provide me with a list of fees for LUCT's design related programs (or just for the architecture programs alone).

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jul 2 2011, 02:21 AM

Gimme your email. I can provide you all the latest fees details for all the courses offered in LUCT including the administrative charges.

That you very much.


My e-mail address is:

alpine1000a@yahoo.com


Regards.

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Added on July 2, 2011, 10:47 pmNah..., even at Taylors, we are all required to pay the extra RM 2K+ each semester for all of those administrative & miscellaneous charges...

Heck, I am even required to pay for my own electricity & water bills at the hostel. (As if the rental is already not that costly enough... ) - no pantry area, no kitchen, no refrigerator, no microwave oven; but just a tiny room that's all.

Seriously, LUCT can never be as costly as Taylors mann...

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jul 2 2011, 10:48 PM

Close to RM 200k? the last time i checked it was RM 85 000++, and that was around a month ago.

Did the fees increase again?

Btw how is the LAM accreditation vist in taylors going so far?

Wouldn't failing the students earn the university more money? When a student fails, he/she has to pay the fees to resit/repeat the subject/semester.

For example,
When a student fails a subject, he/she has to resit/repeat the subject in order to advance and eventually graduate. To resit/repeat the subject, he/she has to pay the same amount of fees paid the last time for that particular subject. Eg: 1 sub= RM1 500- RM3 000.
So lets say he/she fails 3 subjects and has to resit the papers in the next semester= RM4 500-RM9 000. Wouldn't that mean that the university earns extra money from that student in that semester?
And even if the student failed, he/she still had to pay for the fees for the semester that he/she failed, no?

Hence, fail=resit/repeat=more money? just wondering

This post has been edited by 123.abc: Jul 3 2011, 11:49 PM

Tan Sri is a big picture guy, so let’s look at the big picture. It's not about earning more money (well it’s important to earn more money), but Tan Sri wouldn’t care about the extra money he could earn from a student repeating a 3 credits course. It's all about his customer service philosophy (servicing the paymaster). His philosophy is parents wouldn’t like it when their child failed a subject, the parents would think that either their child didn't study hard enough or the teacher of LUCT didn't teach well enough. Anyway there is always a risk of being blame once a student failed. In order to eliminate the risk, it's best to pass all the students. So LUCT will remain the reputation of being a good school and able to produce students with "good" results. With this reputation he can earn MORE money to pay for his RR.

I meant to have wrote RM 100K, and not RM 200K.


Taylor's fees is really darn costly & overpriced anyway; comparing to LUCT's (which was already claimed by all to be exuberant...).

Regards.

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Added on July 4, 2011, 2:29 amWow, the student's rights/protection & reputation really seems to be THAT strong in LUCT huh?

Regards.

This post has been edited by Benjamin911: Jul 4 2011, 02:31 AM

Does Lim Kok Wing Offer master couse?

Yes, Limkokwing does offer Masters and PhD as well. For Masters the cost is RM 35,000

I believe he emphasize on how to become a good lecturer. if student fail = the lecturer cant teach properly. if student lazy, lecturer have to push the student to study, theoretically is correct la what he said. and maybe because the lecturer too tired already / fed up with student, they just simply give passing marks only... easier for them.. except for some cases that the student really cant be helped already ...

im wondering, r u lecturer in LKW ?
i believe ifer is the lecturer in LKW

no lah, as usual, admin fees for international students, deposit2
the one i cant understand is why we have to buy 1 book ? every student 1 book, and cost you RM 90

This post has been edited by xphonerz: Jul 6 2011, 10:12 AM

Hi guys want to ask if a guy have no drawing experience at all and want to study designing will he be able to cope??? Will lkw diploma teach you from the start like how to draw or you have to be a good artist upon joining???

they will teach u...
but i believe u have to join them with good motivation for urself, and study hard... else u cant cope like my friend at the first time... but after sometime, he can graduate haha...

Hi thanks for replying yes he is motivated but he never draw in his life, I don't think he can draw an apple also. That's why he want to find out if he be able to cope???

Lol, no I am not. Just a normal staff here, but I've been here for quite long

haha... ic2... if he easily demotivated, i think very hard la...

wah...may i know from which dept ? can i ask discount from u ?

hi guys i wanna continue on mascomm degree but now still looking the best place for it.. how is lkw for a degree mascom? is it worth it ,

and anyone know about their hostel/apartment?

The last I saw (recently); they are already having a brand new hostel building with big single en-suite rooms + attached single bathrooms; for about RM 1K per month (if I'm not mistaken).

It looks really good & nice compared to the other hostels in the other institutions...

Regards.