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Model Kits Gundam & Mecha Modelling Thread V25, Excitement Embodied

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post Jun 27 2012, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(rihuhs @ Jun 27 2012, 10:01 AM)
I always loved UC style battles! wub.gif  straight away military-concept battlefield!! thumbup.gif

not just some fancy over-powered shining here and there kind of stuff whistling.gif
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Ahem, Unicorn would like to have a word with you there bro. If you talk about early UC then yeah kinda but late UC hell no.
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post Jun 27 2012, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(ascentic @ Jun 27 2012, 11:50 AM)
Gundam Real Life...

Well, guys!~.. IT SEEMS GOING TO BE A REAL GUNDAM WALKING AROUND soon  rclxub.gif
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More like inspired by gundam rather then actual gundam size mecha, my bet is it'll be something around 2m as oppose to 20m exoskeleton suit. Very impractical if its really 20m, kinda like painting a bullseye target on ur back with a sign saying shoot me. Surely they have learn a lesson from their WWII Yamato battleship.
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post Jun 27 2012, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jun 27 2012, 12:07 PM)
well unless they manage to create some ultra-light yet tough metal for armor
like in Gundam series, where standard current projectiles, missiles and shells cant penetrate
graphene could be the answer

QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jun 27 2012, 12:07 PM)
in short, a real gigantic walking tanker  brows.gif
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question is why does a 20m tall giant robot of doom require limbs? wheels does a much better job + from a mechanical standpoint, much more reliable since there is less moving parts then a pair of robotic leg. Why also do giant robots need a pair of hands? mounted weapons is much more accurate. Why also do you need a head? if its function is just camera cant it be attach to any part of the body?

The only good explanation for humanoid looking robots would be if its like ironman where the suit is like a second skin to the pilots. Things like gundam where the pilot actually sits in a comfy chair has no real good explanation as to why it needed to be in humanoid form other then cool factor, which leads me to a conclusion that, if the japanese military were to actually drawn inspiration from gundam, it would look more like ironman 2m tall exoskeleton instead of 20m tall giant robot of doom.
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post Jun 27 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Jun 27 2012, 02:58 PM)
Wheels are more prone to terrain restriction.
tank thread. But leg also suffers from terrain restriction. Muddy terrain, sandy terrain, swamp will also restrict leg as do wheels. Not to mention with legs, the center of gravity would be high, so stability is an issue.

QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Jun 27 2012, 02:58 PM)
Hand-mounted weapons is easier to be exchange.
restriction on design. Has to be in such a way that it can be hold with a hand but must hav enuf power to take down others while incur minimal recoil to avoid damaging the hand (which has dozens of delicate motors, sensors, servos to make it work mind u). Might as well have a hard mounted weapon that does not have such restriction.

QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Jun 27 2012, 02:58 PM)
MS head also houses sensor which ideally need to be placed on the part that has the lowest obstruction. It also houses communication module. For the camera generally there are other cameras all over the MS body also
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instrument on a modern jet fighter is house in the front cone. My point is it doesn't necessarily need to be in the shape of a head. Not to mention why put all sensitive equipment in one location? bring it down and ur communication is cut off. Bad design from a military stand point.
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post Jun 27 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(mf_yamato @ Jun 27 2012, 06:37 PM)
dun let this thread become kopitiam one sudah la....
stick to the topic balik jom..dah dah....

anyone assembled MG Duel??
how was it?? any part that need to give extra caution on??
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Just the duel everything is fine.

Assault Shroud, bad design on the skirt armor. Tend to fall off every time you touch it. The back attachment if didnt put on properly will tend to fall of as well. Articulation on the arm is hindered due to the additional shoulder armor and back attachment. Other then that, everything is fine.
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post Jun 28 2012, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(mooncake81 @ Jun 28 2012, 09:16 PM)
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gives a whole new meaning to the word "dropping Axis" biggrin.gif
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post Jul 1 2012, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(Exiled_Gundam @ Jul 1 2012, 08:11 PM)
Hmm IMHO Gundam series that have good MS fighting scene mostly are OVAs (with Unicorn being the latest example). Maybe the TV series lacks fund?
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Not that they lack funds but its more like they need to stretch out their fund to a 50 epi series. A full length series actually get more fund then an OVA but, if it were to be divided by 50, then each epi is considerably less then an OVA epi. Not to mention that they had to put more effort into the beginning epi to giv a positive 1st reaction. As such, depending on how the budget is balance by the production team, we get stuff like flashback epi, recycle animation, lackluster final battle, etc.

OVA has less of these problem cuz, OVA is not their flagship series. If it fails, well they dont lose as much; both time and money. Thats y most OVA u saw are abit more bold, more risk taking. They dont have to waste time developing chars cuz its not important in an OVA. We as an audience, the lest time we spend with a char, the more we tend not to care about their motives and just enjoy the show as it moves along. In such a setting, what give the biggest impression to an audience is flashiness and epic battles. Thats y in an OVA they take extra care in their battle scene cuz thats what sells model kits. Take 0083 for example, gato is just a zeon freak, kou is a crappy spineless pilot and nina is just a b**** but the battle scene is good and as a result we all wanted a GPO2A or GPO1; thats mission accomplish to Bandai. In a full series however, bcuz we as an audience spend a large amount of time with these chars we form a connection with them, if their motives is bland, we tend not to care as much in their battles which leads to crappy battle from our perception.
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post Jul 1 2012, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(rihuhs @ Jul 1 2012, 09:56 PM)
best example: Seed series. you can even see recycled scenes from the Seed episodes being used in Seed Destiny doh.gif

even the opening song MV is included sad.gif
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I think the production team of Seed, spend way too much into pop idol/stars for their op, ed, insert camo, etc. TM Revo for example, how much do u think they spend on him just so he could appear for 3/4 epi b4 he died. I think its bcuz of their bad budget planning, they had to use so many recycle animation and flashback to balance their budget. If u look at Fukuda other work, its actually not so bad.
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post Jul 6 2012, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 6 2012, 10:56 AM)
i dont see the new concept =x  unsure.gif
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Bandai marketing strategy. Even though its actually old concept, by branding something as new/revolutionary ppl tend to be curious and wanting to find out more thus generate more sales due to said curiosity/hype.


Added on July 6, 2012, 11:26 am
QUOTE(Blissguy @ Jul 6 2012, 11:11 AM)
one to ask there is this seen in UC4 all most to the end, there is a mobile suit in blue with extra arms you know what model is it?
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u meant tis guy?
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its called byarlant custom and no it doesn't have extra arms. Just that the positioning of the arms is weird.

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post Jul 6 2012, 01:36 PM

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Jul 6 2012, 12:53 PM)
I got stupid question about the MG type. I saw got a few editions the Ver. KA and normal MG. What's the difference ar?
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Ver Ka means version Katoki, name after the guy who design it; Hajime Katoki. Ver Ka are for those redesign by katoki, for example wing ver ka is a redesign of the wing tv series by Okawara, RX78 ver Ka is the redesign of the original granddaddy, etc etc. There are those that originally by katoki like ex-s so there is no ver ka attach to its name.

Some may not have a significant difference between the original and redesign ver ka version while some totally different from its original design. From a model kit perspective, ver Ka often includes a crap ton of decals and better proportions/looks but are often very fragile.
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post Jul 6 2012, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(guarayakha @ Jul 6 2012, 02:17 PM)
Didn't the Unicorn/Sinanju had ver. Ka attached to them even though they're also originally from Katoki? Technicalities aside, for model kit buyers, Ver Ka simply means "sh*tload of decals" biggrin.gif
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Unicorn and Sinanju had ver ka attach to it bcuz those are base on the novel ver. From Bandai's view point, only those that are animated are "official/important/legit/canon" despite the fact that the novel came first and the ova in actuality redesign the katoki ver instead, the name ver Ka is attach to the original design to set it apart. Also from a marketing standpoint, ver Ka can sells better then say ver Ishigaki due to Katoki's popularity.

If the OVA came first and then the novel adaptation later like usual, it'll all make sense but because its the other way around and Bandai wanted to keep the old naming convention, this whole ver Ka thing turn out quite messy. This also prove a very interesting point that unicorn ova had been plan for a long long time during the novel run and not an afterthought like most of gundam ovas since the model kit came first (with the ver ka name despite there is no other iteration of it in other form at that time) even b4 the ova premiered.

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post Jul 6 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Jul 6 2012, 04:47 PM)
any news of these guys (MGs)?

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Chances of it coming out in any form is slim. We dont even know how it look like cuz the novel hasnt even release any pic yet not to mention the novel is quite crappy like some fanfic story. Unless of cuz u wan something that look like that then u might as well buy any kit of similar size n cover it in cloak urself, its cheaper that way.

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post Jul 7 2012, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(rihuhs @ Jul 7 2012, 06:51 AM)
UC Series are tall, and Unicorn itself is about 19.7m in Unicorn mode (21.7m in Destroy Mode) while average UCs are around 18-20m (Nu Gundam & Sazabi is waayy taller biggrin.gif)
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not all UC are tall bro. early UC are mid size 18-20m, by the time ZZ to Hathaway's Flash, most are in the 20-30m tall some are even bigger (psycho mk1 and mk2). F91 goes back to mid size and by the time Victory came, most are bloody small. Just compare MG Victory to say FAZZ and u'll see the difference.

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oh wai u'll taking bout UC as in Unicorn rather then Universal Century. My Bad, I c what u did thar...

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post Jul 7 2012, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(Blissguy @ Jul 7 2012, 10:51 AM)
then how am i to know what gundam is all most same size as rg? is there away to tell?


Added on July 7, 2012, 10:52 am
sifu advice a bit pls.....
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Ur question is abit too ambiguous, RG is a scale it doesnt give a universal height. If v have a RG perfect Zeong, that thing would tower all other 1/144 scale kits. What u wan is the actual mecha height so that when being scale down, it'll be roughly what u wan. Without telling us what is ur preferred height, we cant recommend anything.

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post Jul 9 2012, 11:50 AM

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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Jul 9 2012, 09:57 AM)
I appreciate your comment but you do know there was an announcement regarding these MGs (from Wing Frozen Teardrop eventhough we dont know the design) (highly likely unless Bandai troll us kaw2) in the 2012 51st Shizuoka Hobby Show rite? The MG was due to be released in fall this year (shld be around Oct or Nov after buster)...I expect we shall hear something anytime soon...
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There was an announcement bout new Wing MGs, but is was nvr specified what they are. The term "new" can be ambiguous ranging from entirely new kits to new kits nvr existed b4 in that scale but base on existing frame that can be converted easily.

Those model in the pic is display right beside the novels, which make them seems like some normal display kit to promote the novel instead of Bandai saying "Hey we hav some new stuff coming up, here check out what we had planned".

2nd point, if those were really the kit they wanted to release, wouldn't they be display right under the announcement sign board like what its normally does rather then beside it? AKA more fanfare and center piece oriented rather then side pieces.

3rd point, which is more likely? New kit base on existing frame that are establish and have wide market audience due to the successful OVA series within Japan and abroad that has ppl longing for the past 10+ years? or new kit base on something that may or may not use existing frame where the series is not very popular even to the Japanese and hav very little fanbase from abroad since the said series is not available outside of Japan?

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post Jul 9 2012, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jul 9 2012, 11:57 AM)
i m waiting for new RG next lol

if AGE RG i wonder how it's looks like lol tongue.gif
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RG Ball.... tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(General_Nic @ Jul 9 2012, 06:19 PM)
as for the new wing series MGs, i bet everythg that Bandai will milk current kits as usual
so i dare say the next would be MG Nataku, MG Sandrock Kai, MG Heavyarms Custom
then if they wanna produce more kits, next in line will be MG Tallgeese(1/2/3) or MG Wing Zero TV
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98% it'll be base on existing frame (AKA the custom variants from endless waltz). Bandai dont like to take risk on things non-UC, infact i think most of us were surprise when they announce wing kits back then. Not to mention wing ended 10+ years ago, its time has long gone and its relevance from the market perspective is not as strong compare to say 1998-2000. I really dont c them coming out things from FT, Glory of The Loser mayb, but FT chances are it'll nvr happen. It doen't help that FT is not very popular as well. But since alot of us got introduce to the series via Wing (Americans and Canadians especially), v kinda hav some nostalgic feeling towards it n would really-really like things like tallgeese and pray that it'll be release, however unlikely it would be.
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post Jul 10 2012, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(gaianeo @ Jul 10 2012, 03:44 PM)
o... MK II are much bigger compare to Rx 78 right? the detail are pretty much same?
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Not to say much bigger, but it is slightly bulkier n taller then RX78.
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post Jul 11 2012, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(david888 @ Jul 11 2012, 05:18 PM)
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smile.gif  it's very nice mod. btw, just wonder what type of LED is he using for the mod? i only know those normal 5mm LED and 3mm LED, is there other type of LED better for gundam model mod?
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There are various kinds of LED. Big, small, short, long, round, square, triangle, rectangle, etc. Just go to Jalan Pasar n search around those shops that sells electrical components, u'll c all kinds of LED there. As for which is better for gundam mod, depend on what u're modding.
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(david888 @ Jul 11 2012, 08:55 PM)
i didn't follow those LED news nowadays,didn't know got so many types. btw, any local shops with website selling those different types of LED online, so that i can see those different shapes and estimate the quantity& price before i go to the shop? or maybe just order online locally.
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Online, try RS Component or Farnell. There are pics there but most are zoom in, so the size is abit hard to imagine, some are really really small but due to it being zoom in, it looks big. If buying thru RS or Farnell, unless u buy in bulk, its gonna b abit more expensive then if u go to those electronic component shop. My advice is better go directly to the shop n c for urself. If ur not familiar wit electronic stuff, u can also go ask the boss on things like resistors and switches. U may also nid to solder some parts if its really-really small

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