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post Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 12:19 PM)
Most of them run scripts to swap in MF gear just before champs/leets/boss die for super high MF.

You can get banned for that, but most well known barbs streaming live use that script.

I cant remember the url but look up pharmosh, hes the barb with the screenshot i posted. He totally destroys act3/act4.
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Been following him as well. there's one thing wrong about his barb tho. He don't stack NV. Means he chooses his packs and swaps skill as needed.
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jun 12 2012, 12:22 PM)
loot, craft or buy...i dunno lol. i just jelly him.  shakehead.gif

but let say if he loot, how can he survive in inferno while still not having that poderful item? he meanwhile use tanking gear before dfound that powderful eq?

or exploit the resplendant chest earlier before blizz nerf? lol
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that i rly have no idea lol

what resplendant chest exploit? O.o

btw this phramosh dude has rly good knowledge on the game mechanics lol

so yeah hes quite skilled
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 12 2012, 12:23 PM)
that will not be banned. but using programs/scripts to auto swap might be illegal.

Furthermore use of 3rd party programs
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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 12:24 PM)
read "script" aka something like auto swaps
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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jun 12 2012, 12:24 PM)
last min manually change can (open ur bag, swith all set one by one, bla bla bla)

but if u using script (i click change all), can kena ban.
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ohh ic thx yo
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 12:19 PM)
Most of them run scripts to swap in MF gear just before champs/leets/boss die for super high MF.

You can get banned for that, but most well known barbs streaming live use that script.

I cant remember the url but look up pharmosh, hes the barb with the screenshot i posted. He totally destroys act3/act4.
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Been following him as well. there's one thing wrong about his barb tho. He don't stack NV. Means he chooses his packs and swaps skill as needed.
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(ashx @ Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM)
Been following him as well. there's one thing wrong about his barb tho. He don't stack NV. Means he chooses his packs and swaps skill as needed.
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actually there is nothing wrg with that, there is no fixed skill set that will get you thru the ENTIRE act due to the fact champ elite packs has random fixes, its actually a neccesity to swap skill sets, Neph Valor is just a bonus
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:50 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 12:25 PM)
that i rly have no idea lol

what resplendant chest exploit? O.o

btw this phramosh dude has rly good knowledge on the game mechanics lol

so yeah hes quite skilled
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ahh..

u know since 15th of may, many of ppl reach inferno and did resplendant chest exploit =
log in, equip all MF item, use waypoint, dash and avoid mob to 1 same destination (got resplendant chest there), open chest, collect loot, log out/leave game.

Rinse and repeat. Each runs only take 2-5 min without dying, no repair cost. I dare to say a powerful stats eq can be found easily by doing this.

edited : oh and 1 more thing, they oso can unlock the waypoint that they wish by exploiting a public game. (etc, u just reach lvl60 and beat Diablo in hell, now u want str8 jump to inferno act 3 to do the resplendant chest exploit, they can do that...they exploit the public game,...tadaa..waypoint to act 3 siegebreaker Inferno is unlock)

from what I know, there some of popular exploit in inferno such as : khasim outpost, act 3 siegebreaker, goblin hunt act 2 ancient path.

This is one of reason many ppl call D3 is a failure cuz they unable to detect and avoid this. This oso has been 1 of reason y we saw some ppl is filthy rich eventho D3 is less than 1 month old. Oso, this is why we look the item are damn bloody expensive in AH (IMo cuz the exploit has been nerf, so yea, thus the item will be hard to find for the exploiters and so they sell it so freaking high now in AH)

This resulted > blizz got to do so many downtime and nerf all this exploits.

So for those who dint do this exploit (or missed it) thats y we poor?

This post has been edited by moodswingfella: Jun 12 2012, 12:56 PM
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post Jun 12 2012, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 11:52 AM)
If you guys insist on trying 2handers.

Have a look at this. http://i.imgur.com/LxMys.jpg
This guy cleared inferno with 2hander
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So, it's 10.5K armor / 1K all resistance / 74K life?
These can be achievable.

But 100K DPS? shocking.gif


Added on June 12, 2012, 12:58 pmBased on the various posts, basically we need 600+ all resistance for inferno A2 / 800+ all resistance for inferno A3 / 1000+ all resistance for inferno A4.

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post Jun 12 2012, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 12:56 PM)
So, it's 10.5K armor  / 1K all resistance / 74K life?
These can be achievable.

But 100K DPS?  shocking.gif


Added on June 12, 2012, 12:58 pmBased on the various posts, basically we need 600+ all resistance for inferno A2 / 800+ all resistance for inferno A3 / 1000+ all resistance for inferno A4.
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you can have 1k all resist, lack hp or armor to balance u, you're still gonna die and wonder why you still die lol
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post Jun 12 2012, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 01:01 PM)
you can have 1k all resist, lack hp or armor to balance u, you're still gonna die and wonder why you still die lol
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yes alot of guides/videos did stress that resistance is not really the whole game. An acceptable amount of resist prolly like 600 will be just nice. Other important stats like life steal / block would be needed for survival as well.


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post Jun 12 2012, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 12 2012, 01:11 PM)
yes alot of guides/videos did stress that resistance is not really the whole game. An acceptable amount of resist prolly like 600 will be just nice. Other important stats like life steal / block would be needed for survival as well.
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ok here comes the funny part of the game mechanics

technically the system is almost identical to RO

so im just gonna list em down below

1)armor = def (note many ppl still havent rly figure out the ratio, i havent spend time digging out info on this yet)

2)resist = resist (literally)

3)block rate = skills like autoguard


ok now, if you are familiar with RO, you know VERY well that 10def=10% physical reduct, 100def = immunity to PHYSICAL dmg and resistance = dmg reduction based on PERCENTAGE of incoming dmg

and you HAVE to balance this, or you are just wasting resources getting super gears when u can spend lesser

its like you have 10k armor and you go 400 all resist, you will still do fine

the PROBLEM now is, figuring out the ratio on D3, coz their friggin system is retarded. i havent got time atm to go figure that one out yet so i cant give you the values.

correct me if i am wrong guys

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post Jun 12 2012, 01:24 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 01:19 PM)
ok here comes the funny part of the game mechanics

technically the system is almost identical to RO

so im just gonna list em down below

1)armor = def (note many ppl still havent rly figure out the ratio, i havent spend time digging out info on this yet)

2)resist = resist (literally)

3)block rate = skills like autoguard
ok now, if you are familiar with RO, you know VERY well that 100def = immunity to PHYSICAL dmg and resistance = dmg reduction based on PERCENTAGE of incoming dmg

and you HAVE to balance this, or you are just wasting resources getting super gears when u can spend lesser

its like you have 10k armor and you go 400 all resist, you will still do fine

the PROBLEM now is, figuring out the ratio on D3, coz their friggin system is retarded. i havent got time atm to go figure that one out yet so i cant give you the values.

correct me if i am wrong guys
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i actually still wasnt sure whether armor reduction dmg = elemental dmg/magic/ranged dmg?

didnt really did enough research yet.

just a lil rational thinking, if armor covers all dmg then there is no use to resistance.
I might be wrong.
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post Jun 12 2012, 01:32 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 12 2012, 01:24 PM)
i actually still wasnt sure whether armor reduction dmg = elemental dmg/magic/ranged dmg?

didnt really did enough research yet.

just a lil rational thinking, if armor covers all dmg then there is no use to resistance.
I might be wrong.
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yes exactly, same with RO

all resist however DOES include physical resistance in D3

so it works the same as Demi resist in RO, same elemental resist concept

while armor ONLY reduces PHYSICAL part of defence

that aside, you will ask, then why not all resist till AND armor maxed so you can tank em all?

i no rich so i cant answer that question biggrin.gif

but i can tell you this, with the correct balance of armor and resist, its the same shit, just that you cant do DIRECT tanking, taking ALL the desecrators and plague shits. ASSUMING those are sort of the *magical dmg* thingy which only all resist can reduce


Added on June 12, 2012, 1:35 pmoh yeah and do note, you can block arcanes and shit with your block rate lol

so 50% block rate is friggin good

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post Jun 12 2012, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 01:32 PM)
yes exactly, same with RO

all resist however DOES include physical resistance in D3

so it works the same as Demi resist in RO, same elemental resist concept

while armor ONLY reduces PHYSICAL part of defence

that aside, you will ask, then why not all resist till AND armor maxed so you can tank em all?

i no rich so i cant answer that question biggrin.gif

but i can tell you this, with the correct balance of armor and resist, its the same shit, just that you cant do DIRECT tanking, taking ALL the desecrators and plague shits. ASSUMING those are sort of the *magical dmg* thingy which only all resist can reduce


Added on June 12, 2012, 1:35 pmoh yeah and do note, you can block arcanes and shit with your block rate lol

so 50% block rate is friggin good
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50% is too god like. i think having 30% block, a lil of chance of dodging and human controlled flee/dodge. its still good.


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post Jun 12 2012, 01:54 PM

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The defence mechanic in d3 depends on the lvl of the mob. Then mutiplied by the defense (armor/resist/dodge/block/melee reduction).

Read more here:
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...lete-guide.html
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...resistance.html

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post Jun 12 2012, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 01:54 PM)
The defence mechanic in d3 depends on the lvl of the mob. Then mutiplied by the defense (armor/resist/dodge/block/melee reduction).

Read more here:
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...lete-guide.html
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...resistance.html
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cant surf atm, thx bro

just a question bro, does the multipliers stack?
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anyone got any good items for barbs u wish to push away just pm me. i need good weapons and rings!
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post Jun 12 2012, 02:26 PM

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idk, if i upgrade my gears, ill post em up for sale here cheap, need funding to buy smith plans swt

what lvl?
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post Jun 12 2012, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 01:54 PM)
The defence mechanic in d3 depends on the lvl of the mob. Then mutiplied by the defense (armor/resist/dodge/block/melee reduction).

Read more here:
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...lete-guide.html
http://blackrabbit2999.blogspot.com/2012/0...resistance.html
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nice guide.. basically have the calcuations.

But the question of armor affects all damage wasnt in the guide. hmmm So i think its just physical damage.
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post Jun 12 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(mugenz @ Jun 12 2012, 02:31 PM)
nice guide.. basically have the calcuations.

But the question of armor affects all damage wasnt in the guide. hmmm So i think its just physical damage.
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Armor:  Armor gives you % damage reduction against all types of damage, not just physical.  It is increased by armor value on items, strength (1:1) and certain skills.


Yes it does. So if armor is not possible, you can choose PHY + AR if you so incline.
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sorry already lvl 60 so yea but need better gears!

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