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The Amateur Working Bee
post Jun 12 2012, 11:07 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:05 AM)
Justice lantern costs you few millions at AH.  laugh.gif
You gonna sacrifice +strength.

Likewise, the Helm of command.
It doesn't deliver high +strength attributes too.

String of ears, another legendary item that doesn't give offensive attributes.

You spend few millions to build a tanker with weak offensive power.
No-no for a Barbarian.  laugh.gif
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but honestly, what are the alternatives?
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 11:07 AM)
but honestly, what are the alternatives?
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I'm working on this. This could be the solution.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2346742/+684
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:05 AM)
Justice lantern costs you few millions at AH.  laugh.gif
You gonna sacrifice +strength.

Likewise, the Helm of command.
It doesn't deliver high +strength attributes too.

String of ears, another legendary item that doesn't give offensive attributes.

You spend few millions to build a tanker with weak offensive power.
No-no for a Barbarian.  laugh.gif
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all those item has a lot of block%, reduce melee and range attack xx%, reduce elite dmg %.

We still can mix and match with other eq to gain STR.


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:11 am
QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 11:07 AM)
but honestly, what are the alternatives?
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be a squishy high DPS barb like DH? or might as well we just play as DH?

This post has been edited by moodswingfella: Jun 12 2012, 11:14 AM
eehtsitna
post Jun 12 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 12:05 PM)
Justice lantern costs you few millions at AH.  laugh.gif
You gonna sacrifice +strength.

Likewise, the Helm of command.
It doesn't deliver high +strength attributes too.

String of ears, another legendary item that doesn't give offensive attributes.

You spend few millions to build a tanker with weak offensive power.
No-no for a Barbarian.  laugh.gif
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That is what I am trying to avoid at the moment. Too poor to purchase all those expensive gear.

Anyway, I believe everyone agrees that all resistance is an important stat. What is your other priority when it comes to defend? Is it:

Armor > Str > Reduced melee/range damage > Dex/Dodge rate

Oo before someone said where is the block rate. I am referring to Barb that does not use a shield. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by eehtsitna: Jun 12 2012, 11:13 AM
VinluV
post Jun 12 2012, 11:12 AM

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Heres the rule of thumb for the barbs

Either go High DPS with stun but moderate resist, hp, survivability, and no coop.
or
Low DPS, high resist, stun, survivability and 25% solo and 75% coop.

If you try to be in the middle like i tried, every act will be like entering inferno for the first time.

Take your pick.
If you're going for High DPS build you can kill enemies quickly, but kiting is a must, and you may need to buff up your follower to distrct enemies when u kite.
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:09 AM)
I'm working on this. This could be the solution.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2346742/+684
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dude, you gonna do that in inferno?
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(moodswingfella @ Jun 12 2012, 11:09 AM)
all those item has a lot of block%, reduce melee and range attack%. We still can mix and match with other eq to gain STR.
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Yes, they do give you good block%.

For me. 2 reasons I won't get these.
Firstly, they cost millions and give you below par attributes in return.
Secondly, with those armor on, you sacrifice other attributes (strength for armor and dps, dexterity for dodge, vitality for HP, intelligence for resistance for all elements, armor etc which are equally important).


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:17 am
QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 11:13 AM)
dude, you gonna do that in inferno?
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Yeap, with imp run, of course. laugh.gif

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post Jun 12 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jun 12 2012, 11:11 AM)
That is what I am trying to avoid at the moment. Too poor to purchase all those expensive gear.

Anyway, I believe everyone agrees that all resistance is an important stat. What is your other priority when it comes to defend? Is it:

Armor > Str > Reduced melee/range damage > Dex/Dodge rate

Oo before someone said where is the block rate. I am referring to Barb that does not use a shield. tongue.gif
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Slowly lah.. Be patient and there will be good weapons for your budget if spend about 15-30 minutes in AH.
Yest I saw 1123 dps 2hand axe with +100 vit +100 str +23% IAS and 2.3% damage convert to health going for 800k. Immediately grab and resell for 1mil.


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:20 am
QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 11:13 AM)
dude, you gonna do that in inferno?
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:15 AM)

Added on June 12, 2012, 11:17 am
Yeap, with imp run, of course.  laugh.gif
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Be Warned, kiting skill must be at top level all the time.
He has a vid showing about 15 minutes of gameplay. Will try to grab it.

This post has been edited by VinluV: Jun 12 2012, 11:20 AM
The Amateur Working Bee
post Jun 12 2012, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(VinluV @ Jun 12 2012, 11:17 AM)
Slowly lah.. Be patient and there will be good weapons for your budget if spend about 15-30 minutes in AH.
Yest I saw 1123 dps 2hand axe with +100 vit +100 str +23% IAS and 2.3% damage convert to health going for 800k. Immediately grab and resell for 1mil.


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:20 am
Be Warned, kiting skill must be at top level all the time.
He has a vid showing about 15 minutes of gameplay. Will try to grab it.
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tax 15% your profit margin 5% only lol...you run the risk of not selling the items also...swt

but its a preddy good 2 hander


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:22 am
QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:15 AM)
Yes, they do give you good block%.

For me. 2 reasons I won't get these.
Firstly, they cost millions and give you below par attributes in return.
Secondly, with those armor on, you sacrifice other attributes (strength for armor and dps, dexterity for dodge, vitality for HP, intelligence for resistance for all elements, armor etc which are equally important).


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:17 am
Yeap, with imp run, of course.  laugh.gif
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update us on the results

This post has been edited by The Amateur Working Bee: Jun 12 2012, 11:22 AM
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jun 12 2012, 11:21 AM)
tax 15% your profit margin 5% only lol...you run the risk of not selling the items also...swt

but its a preddy good 2 hander
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true. but 1 mill for an item with life steal, improved stats, and above 1k damage is considered affordable.
Most 1k damage items in AH are either life steal or stats and cost around 700-900k.

found the vid: http://dai.ly/Lf8MSI
Ignore the music.

This post has been edited by VinluV: Jun 12 2012, 11:25 AM
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Jun 12 2012, 11:15 AM)
Yes, they do give you good block%.

For me. 2 reasons I won't get these.
Firstly, they cost millions and give you below par attributes in return.
Secondly, with those armor on, you sacrifice other attributes (strength for armor and dps, dexterity for dodge, vitality for HP, intelligence for resistance for all elements, armor etc which are equally important).


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:17 am
Yeap, with imp run, of course.  laugh.gif
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yea update the result (in video if can, <5 min run pun ok la, just want to see the thrill of high DPS barb) should you succeed, share your gears too.

Time for you to prove all block%, reduce melee and range attack dmg x% and reduce elite% is a no no for barb.

This post has been edited by moodswingfella: Jun 12 2012, 11:31 AM
eehtsitna
post Jun 12 2012, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(VinluV @ Jun 12 2012, 12:17 PM)
Slowly lah.. Be patient and there will be good weapons for your budget if spend about 15-30 minutes in AH.
Yest I saw 1123 dps 2hand axe with +100 vit +100 str +23% IAS and 2.3% damage convert to health going for 800k. Immediately grab and resell for 1mil.


Added on June 12, 2012, 11:20 am
Be Warned, kiting skill must be at top level all the time.
He has a vid showing about 15 minutes of gameplay. Will try to grab it.
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There are actually quite a number of 1100++dps 2 handler weapon in AH but im reluctant to let go of my current weapon. It is a 1000dps 2 handler mace with 300str and 14% IAS or something like that. Dont wanna rush in to buy something and later found out that its not as good as my existing gear. doh.gif

Just to let you guys know that im using a variant of the kiting barb. I kite big mobs and go in for the kill when they are all close to dying. Even managed to go toe-to-toe with elites/champ. My only problem is invulnerable minions. shakehead.gif
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:36 AM

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Sure you can play a 2hander, some people had cleared inferno with 2 hander builds in solo.

Its a wait all your cds up and kill them in 11secs of your leap 300% + ignore pain 7secs rune.

Good luck trying that out, its incredibly frustrating and in coop people would rather bring a dh/wiz.
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 11:36 AM)
Sure you can play a 2hander, some people had cleared inferno with 2 hander builds in solo.

Its a wait all your cds up and kill them in 11secs of your leap 300% + ignore pain 7secs rune.

Good luck trying that out, its incredibly frustrating and in coop people would rather bring a dh/wiz.
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2hander cant use shield right? can tank meh at inferno?
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:43 AM

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^can tank if ur others gears got resistance, dodge, or blocks.. i still prefer 2H
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QUOTE(Mie90 @ Jun 12 2012, 11:42 AM)
2hander cant use shield right? can tank meh at inferno?
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can liao, my current build no problem in Act 1 inferno (well, i think most of us here laugh.gif)...and with preferable stats elsewhere, sure can tank but in a passive way laugh.gif
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jun 12 2012, 11:43 AM)
^can tank if ur others gears got resistance, dodge, or blocks.. i still prefer 2H
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oooh okay. but 2hand weapon attack speed very slow 1.
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(ngkhanmein @ Jun 12 2012, 11:43 AM)
^can tank if ur others gears got resistance, dodge, or blocks.. i still prefer 2H
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what bout inferno act 2 & 3? can aa? unsure.gif
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If you guys insist on trying 2handers.

Have a look at this. http://i.imgur.com/LxMys.jpg
This guy cleared inferno with 2hander
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post Jun 12 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(geno @ Jun 12 2012, 12:36 PM)
Sure you can play a 2hander, some people had cleared inferno with 2 hander builds in solo.

Its a wait all your cds up and kill them in 11secs of your leap 300% + ignore pain 7secs rune.

Good luck trying that out, its incredibly frustrating and in coop people would rather bring a dh/wiz.
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I dont use those skill for my kiting build. Its suicide if i were to leap into a mob! tongue.gif

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