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ALeUNe
post Sep 12 2012, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(MOBAJOBG @ Sep 12 2012, 09:03 AM)
I'm sure that the benefits of lifesteal utilization is significant once total damage dealt is more than 65K and your build includes high Critical Hit Chance & Critical Hit Damage.
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You don't rely life regen on crit chance.
What if you didn't have crit chance (and thus crit damage) during crucial moment?

It is very easy to get 1800LOH.
Just replace 2xweapon with 900LOH will do.
Go dual wield and keep you existing gears (assuming your existing gears have enough crit chance).

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Sep 12 2012, 07:36 AM)
Only 20% from 5.5% only la.. If your damage 20k total life steal is 220 only right?
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Excuse me for not doing my math correctly.
Well... I just based on my rough estimation that every tick I can see on screen with crit hits is around 10-30k per tick. and each second has got potential for 15-20 ticks. I usually have more than 50% crits (more when in WTOB). So if there's half of the ticks is in crits so it's roughly about 7.5 ticks per sec with crits.

if each 15k crit damage (average) gives 20% (efficiency) X 5.5% life steal. It's about 165 life per tick.
It's about 1237.5 for each sec.

I get to create 5-6 tornado with 24% move speed.
if all of it can hit monsters at the same time (usually by running in circle around monsters) we can get 6187.5 life per sec.

Let alone we haven't put whirlwind in to equation yet. I can't tell the exact calculation for it but definitely higher than sprint alone. And there's life on hit that is around 1.3k comes in to play when my WW or Sprint tornado doesn't hit enough.

When I watch my screen i usually can see my life pool filling up at the rate of 6k above easily at the odds of sometimes to tornado might miss the target and etc.

Somewhere up there in calculation might not be 100% accurate but if I can do azmodan act3 run and diablo act4 run easily I think I don't have to elaborate too much on the life steal and life on hit part. Test it yourself and I'm sure u'll see what I mean. I used to just have loh and later on finds out that life steal can be quite effective.

well... in WOTB mode, the dps would buffed to nearly 75k. Lot's of fun to play if u ask me.
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post Sep 12 2012, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(kfc @ Sep 12 2012, 10:59 AM)
Excuse me for not doing my math correctly.
Well... I just based on my rough estimation that every tick I can see on screen with crit hits is around 10-30k per tick. and each second has got potential for 15-20 ticks. I usually have more than 50% crits (more when in WTOB). So if there's half of the ticks is in crits so it's roughly about 7.5 ticks per sec with crits.

if each 15k crit damage (average) gives 20% (efficiency) X 5.5% life steal. It's about 165 life per tick.
It's about 1237.5 for each sec.

I get to create 5-6 tornado with 24% move speed.
if all of it can hit monsters at the same time (usually by running in circle around monsters) we can get 6187.5 life per sec.

Let alone we haven't put whirlwind in to equation yet. I can't tell the exact calculation for it but definitely higher than sprint alone. And there's life on hit that is around 1.3k comes in to play when my WW or Sprint tornado doesn't hit enough.

When I watch my screen i usually can see my life pool filling up at the rate of 6k above easily at the odds of sometimes to tornado might miss the target and etc.

Somewhere up there in calculation might not be 100% accurate but if I can do azmodan act3 run and diablo act4 run easily I think I don't have to elaborate too much on the life steal and life on hit part. Test it yourself and I'm sure u'll see what I mean. I used to just have loh and later on finds out that life steal can be quite effective.

well... in WOTB mode, the dps would buffed to nearly 75k. Lot's of fun to play if u ask me.
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Due to equipment pricing for barb, i gear for lifesteal, LoH and life regen, in that precedence. It makes my gearing much much more affordable. Gear that usually no one wants, end up being quite potent when put in combination. tongue.gif

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post Sep 12 2012, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 12 2012, 10:48 AM)
You don't rely life regen on crit chance.
What if you didn't have crit chance (and thus crit damage) during crucial moment?

It is very easy to get 1800LOH.
Just replace 2xweapon with 900LOH will do.
Go dual wield and keep you existing gears (assuming your existing gears have enough crit chance).
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Ya, followed ur build better.
If want can put in 600 LOH gems to 2 of the weapon sockets and then might have 3K LOH!
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post Sep 12 2012, 11:23 AM

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I rather pursue a strategy to enlist 3 types of hp recovery in my barb build; ...minimum 1800 LoH, mininum 4% Life Steal and also, minimum 600 life regen per/sec to get the best of all worlds. icon_idea.gif

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post Sep 12 2012, 11:25 AM

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QUOTE(Madgeiser @ Sep 12 2012, 11:11 AM)
Due to equipment pricing for barb, i gear for lifesteal, LoH and life regen, in that precedence. It makes my gearing much much more affordable. Gear that usually no one wants, end up being quite potent when put in combination.  tongue.gif
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I do agree on that. But I sort of given less attention to life regen. Can't have all 3 of this at the same time. Further more I've got obsessed with 24% run speed. I still got some items that I can stack my loh to 2k but I'm more interested to go with half loh and another half from life steal. I felt that life steal scales well with higher dps.

Pricing for immortal kings shoot up the roof thx to alkaizer. Everybody is like trying to carbon copy him now. Oh well... we still can try other method to achieve this by alternating our gears. But seriously IK's set adds 60 of AR. I'm hoping to get IK's iron and IK's tribal binding or IK's stride.

There's 1 thing that I believe is we don't have to overgear our barb. getting more of those legendary is more like luxury than practical.
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post Sep 12 2012, 11:28 AM

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i've got 850LOH and 8.3LS biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(kfc @ Sep 12 2012, 11:25 AM)
I do agree on that. But I sort of given less attention to life regen. Can't have all 3 of this at the same time. Further more I've got obsessed with 24% run speed. I still got some items that I can stack my loh to 2k but I'm more interested to go with half loh and another half from life steal. I felt that life steal scales well with higher dps.

Pricing for immortal kings shoot up the roof thx to alkaizer. Everybody is like trying to carbon copy him now. Oh well... we still can try other method to achieve this by alternating our gears. But seriously IK's set adds 60 of AR. I'm hoping to get IK's iron and IK's tribal binding or IK's stride.

There's 1 thing that I believe is we don't have to overgear our barb. getting more of those legendary is more like luxury than practical.
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There are many weapons come with both LOH & lifesteal.
It is very easy to obtain both.


Added on September 12, 2012, 11:29 am
QUOTE(stevie @ Sep 12 2012, 11:28 AM)
i've got 850LOH and 8.3LS biggrin.gif
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You must have other magic gears that give you more LS. laugh.gif

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post Sep 12 2012, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(stevie @ Sep 12 2012, 11:28 AM)
i've got 850LOH and 8.3LS biggrin.gif
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I only have 717 LOH and no LS.. still can farming at 3 and 4 without dying but slow laugh.gif
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QUOTE(kfc @ Sep 12 2012, 11:25 AM)
I do agree on that. But I sort of given less attention to life regen. Can't have all 3 of this at the same time. Further more I've got obsessed with 24% run speed. I still got some items that I can stack my loh to 2k but I'm more interested to go with half loh and another half from life steal. I felt that life steal scales well with higher dps.

Pricing for immortal kings shoot up the roof thx to alkaizer. Everybody is like trying to carbon copy him now. Oh well... we still can try other method to achieve this by alternating our gears. But seriously IK's set adds 60 of AR. I'm hoping to get IK's iron and IK's tribal binding or IK's stride.

There's 1 thing that I believe is we don't have to overgear our barb. getting more of those legendary is more like luxury than practical.
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jUST ANALYZE UR BUILD

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KFC-6478/hero/14336307

Found that ur AR is too low for Inferno, and life also not enough, really wonder how u can survive in Inferno especially when u face molten and arcane. ( may be ur playing skill is too professional --- > Kiting ) rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

Ur LOH 1304, life regen 220, Life steal 5.5% ... may b is ur key to survive... hopefully can meet u 1 day in game... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif ( want to see how u playing)
ALeUNe
post Sep 12 2012, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Sep 12 2012, 11:31 AM)
I only have 717 LOH and no LS.. still can farming at 3 and 4 without dying but slow  laugh.gif
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Your barb is good enough to farm.
Remember we rolled A4 last weekend, I think we are "overgear". laugh.gif

QUOTE(kfc @ Sep 12 2012, 11:25 AM)
...overgear...
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post Sep 12 2012, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:36 AM)
jUST ANALYZE UR BUILD

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KFC-6478/hero/14336307

Found that ur AR is too low for Inferno, and life also not enough, really wonder how u can survive in Inferno especially when u face molten and arcane. ( may be ur playing skill is too professional --- > Kiting )  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Ur LOH 1304, life regen 220, Life steal 5.5% ... may b is ur key to survive... hopefully can meet u 1 day in game...  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  ( want to see how u playing)
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got dodge or block?
i guess this build hard for act 3.
act 1 and 2 still manageable.


Added on September 12, 2012, 11:41 am
QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 12 2012, 11:39 AM)
Your barb is good enough to farm.
Remember we rolled A4 last weekend, I think we are "overgear".  laugh.gif
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Overgear is when LOH is 2.5K and above i think.
I got to sacrifice dmg goes to 2 purple gems then only can survive act 4.
what is ur paragon lvl now?
i think no way i catch u guys already sad.gif(((


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post Sep 12 2012, 11:42 AM

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QUOTE(cheer83 @ Sep 12 2012, 11:36 AM)
jUST ANALYZE UR BUILD

https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/KFC-6478/hero/14336307

Found that ur AR is too low for Inferno, and life also not enough, really wonder how u can survive in Inferno especially when u face molten and arcane. ( may be ur playing skill is too professional --- > Kiting )  rclxms.gif  rclxms.gif

Ur LOH 1304, life regen 220, Life steal 5.5% ... may b is ur key to survive... hopefully can meet u 1 day in game...  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  ( want to see how u playing)
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He has 35.6K HP. I think it is okay for Inferno.

Looking at his skills set, he is a WW barb.
His armor and damage are just nice.
Abit low on the AR.
Yes, I think his LOH/Life regen/LS do help him.


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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Sep 12 2012, 11:40 AM)
Overgear is when LOH is 2.5K and above i think.
I got to sacrifice dmg goes to 2 purple gems then only can survive act 4.
what is ur paragon lvl now?
i think no way i catch u guys already sad.gif(((
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I'm at LVL19. Quite slow.
Spent time on my Wiz to complete Inferno last weekend.

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Now my barb 2k Loh And farm pretty well.

. One fella keep over bid me for an axe till 10 mil. And he won. After 10 minutes, some one sell higher dps and better stat for 5 mil.. And I bought it. Wat a day. smile.gif
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its better to analyse build here..

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/kfc-6478/Kratoz/14336307
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 12 2012, 12:39 PM)
Your barb is good enough to farm.
Remember we rolled A4 last weekend, I think we are "overgear".  laugh.gif
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We tough until over gear haha......
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QUOTE(present me @ Sep 12 2012, 11:53 AM)
We tough until over gear haha......
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i remember keep slashing wira4ce pet bec i tought it a mobs doh.gif
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post Sep 12 2012, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Sep 12 2012, 11:28 AM)
There are many weapons come with both LOH & lifesteal.
It is very easy to obtain both.


Added on September 12, 2012, 11:29 am
You must have other magic gears that give you more LS.  laugh.gif
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eh sorry i blur.
hahaha

Life Steal: 8.30%
Life per Kill: 845
Life on Hit: 553


Added on September 12, 2012, 12:02 pmnow experimenting using MW as per hit-able suggestion. MW > Axe/Mace smile.gif
The drop is dps is worth it

Looking to upgrade weapons soon. MH costed me 500k and OH 250k lol

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post Sep 12 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(amiranna @ Sep 12 2012, 11:56 AM)
i remember keep slashing wira4ce pet bec i tought it a mobs  doh.gif
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Really??
His pets got garang-look. laugh.gif


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QUOTE(stevie @ Sep 12 2012, 12:01 PM)
now experimenting using MW as per hit-able suggestion. MW > Axe/Mace smile.gif
The drop is dps is worth it

Looking to upgrade weapons soon. MH costed me 500k and OH 250k lol
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For fury generation? And WoTB? hmm.gif

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[quote=ALeUNe,Sep 12 2012, 11:42 AM]
He has 35.6K HP. I think it is okay for Inferno.

Looking at his skills set, he is a WW barb.
His armor and damage are just nice.
Abit low on the AR.
Yes, I think his LOH/Life regen/LS do help him.


[quote=ALeUNe]
got dodge or block?
i guess this build hard for act 3.
act 1 and 2 still manageable.
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Well... I think you are not so well informed about the WW barb.
Anyway, I've cleared inferno b4 1.0.4. with an older build.
I don't understand why I can't face roll act3 and 4 now? LOL.....

Each elite group usually takes less than 3 mins. some elite groups takes less than 50sec. 3 mins usually is those with Fire pool, firewalker, AS, vortex. Still die when i'm not careful or lag but it's not as bad as some ppl say I can't play act3 or 4.
It's more than manageable.

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