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ALeUNe
post Jul 23 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Jul 23 2012, 05:38 PM)
L49 barb tried to kill diablo in nitemare... but died alot cry.gif
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Nightmare or hell?
You should reach hell when you reach LVL49.
Or you have crappy gears? hmm.gif
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post Jul 23 2012, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(endau02 @ Jul 23 2012, 05:50 PM)
diablo nitemare, next step to hell
ya.. i hv crappy gear
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You need to get better gears.
I don't remember I had problem in Nightmare.
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post Jul 24 2012, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(selenium @ Jul 24 2012, 08:02 AM)
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played like this in act 1 and laughed my head off
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That is Act 3.
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post Jul 24 2012, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(hengmy @ Jul 24 2012, 11:34 AM)
how about normal creeps? how do you handle it?
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If he can kill elites/champion with 5-6 hits, I think he needs only 1 hit to ship the normal creeps back to hell. laugh.gif
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post Jul 26 2012, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 26 2012, 10:38 AM)
Reached ghom. Is it a must to get high life steal and Loh to kill?
Currently 28kdps , 900+ AR (with warcry).Hp 40k.
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LOH is a must. Otherwise how do you regain HP?

LOH + overpower is useful in certain elite fight too, especially those with poisonous attack.
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post Jul 26 2012, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(eehtsitna @ Jul 26 2012, 02:55 PM)
Anyone know what is the minimum requirement to reach 100k dps? 2000 str? 500 chd? 50 chc?
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Weapon / STR / Crit chance / Crit dmg + skills
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post Jul 26 2012, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Aura @ Jul 26 2012, 03:59 PM)
Overpower with Crushing Advance rune highly depend on LoH while Revenge highly depends on total HP since it is % based....
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Revenge also depends on how many enemy hits you receive.
If you are surrounded by 5-6 monsters, you will have greater HP recovery.
If only one monster hits you, the HP recovery is quite negligible.
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post Jul 26 2012, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(sovietmah @ Jul 26 2012, 04:02 PM)
i kill gohm, hp reach less than 20%, i press crushing power then hp ges up max.
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You can use this on certain elites too.
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post Jul 26 2012, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 26 2012, 04:08 PM)
Iayah I no LoH I just use freezy hit gain life, revenge active n life reg 150 only.... can survive.... facing possible enemy ??


Added on July 26, 2012, 4:16 pm
no wonder taty yesterday I facing elite just of 3 unit run fast around me I hits less cant near them, too hurt the fire chain n vortex so I can't recover my hp back.... if u think in my situation use overpower can cover my hp?
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For my case, overpower is useful to counter certain elites only.
Based on my experience, it is useful to counter those poisonous attacks.

It is difficult to comment since I do not know what kind of elite monsters you encountered.

P/S By the way, do you have LOH? You need LOH for Overpower (CA) to work.


Added on July 26, 2012, 4:23 pm
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 26 2012, 04:05 PM)
since someone so lazy lol:



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ps: check out the youtube comments laugh.gif
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This guy is indeed good.
She ran for life, dished out 4K-6K damage per hit, and yet she could beat the enrage timer.

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post Jul 26 2012, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 26 2012, 04:42 PM)
Really? No stat wor.. My current axe gt 200+ str and vit. Worry the cool down haven't finish I die ady. Haha...
Anyway thanks. Will try also.
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Ghom fight, you should be fine with 350-400 LOH.
Use Bloodthirst if you find you can't recover enough HP.
You can dual-wield too.
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post Jul 26 2012, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 26 2012, 04:58 PM)
I dont have LoH 0% I facing mosquito vortex, arcane,ice exploxe,fire chain.....kite n kite but i solution it ..nvm try this overpower training first.... thks...
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Without LOH, I wonder how Overpower (CA) will work for you.
Share with us how it goes then.
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post Jul 27 2012, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 27 2012, 03:25 AM)
my barb did u see any LoH...but i still cant tank too long...mostly the fire chain...so did u can gift some opinion any weak from my inspect....
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There is no LOH in your current setup. You will need that in A3/A4.

You have quite low HP. Quite low AR too (600+ after WC).
You don't tank. You just can't tank when you fight elites/champions. I believe you have problem to fight normal creeps too.
Half of your HP gone if you receive 2-3 hits. It is pain-in-the-ass to chase the desert hornets.

So, yo don't tank. You just can't tank.
You use dual-wield. You can deliver decent DPS.
What you can do is, use the skill WoTB+EQ(CA) just to kill the elites/champions as fast as you can.

Change your skill and you should be able to do A2.

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post Jul 27 2012, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 27 2012, 01:49 PM)
I have one question to ask, may I know where the equipment have LoH, weapon or any armor?
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Weapon, amulet, rings.


Added on July 27, 2012, 2:43 pm
QUOTE(SpikeTwo @ Jul 27 2012, 02:07 PM)
i love the WW build but my barb too weak, always tiok one hitted in act3. LOL...
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You need WW+LOH combo.

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post Jul 27 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 27 2012, 03:02 PM)
Ok so I wan share v u all one... question is did u came of cross experience for barb tank mostly u boost ur AR...u search from AH did u find all res only, physical n all Res,poison n all Res n fire n all res ?

further up u will boost AR normally u will satisfied w/o (warcry)how much ?
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My best armor and AR for my Barb was, 11K+ armor and 1500AR (after War Cry + Mantra of Healing), I couldn't tank too.
If I leaped, it would be 33K+ armor + 1500AR, I could tank for 3 seconds. laugh.gif

Generally, Barb can't really tank.
If you want to tank, you need to have HP recovery too (LOH/Lifesteal/Liferegen etc).
With HP recovery, you can tank longer as you can survive longer. You can survive 5-10 seconds longer and kite or corpse next, perhaps.

Alternatively, you go for DPS.
We can see we have members that opt for DPS now (100K DPS).
The faster you kill, the better chance you survive in battlefield.
You will need to sacrifice some armor and AR for that. And you still need LOH/Lifesteal.

Another Barb we see is the WW + LOH combo + high damage.
It doesn't tank as well. It kills as many and as soon as possible.

In short, Barbs can't really tank, especially come to A3/A4.
I played in public game most of the time for many weeks now and I have not seen one Barb tanker.
The best tanker I've seen so far is a Wizard.

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post Jul 27 2012, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 27 2012, 03:23 PM)
time to dig Duckhole and MoodSwing out to tank
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Duckhole has gone DPS.
Moodswing, can't remember his DPS as a tanker.
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post Jul 27 2012, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 27 2012, 03:27 PM)
he finished the game before patch 1.0.3 as tanker, DPS was a side project coz that period many barbs here were complaining DPS is impossible

moodswing was tanker too, he got lazy and went with the 1m budget frenzy, i now also dunno what build hes doing ahahahah

oit moodswing, come ehreeee
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I am not sure whether they can stand on a pool of fire/poison/arcane for 30 seconds or not.
I saw a Wizard standing still for more than 1 min tanking, with fire/poison/arcane under his feet + 4 elites surrounded him (other 3 players already dead).
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post Jul 27 2012, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 27 2012, 03:34 PM)
able to tank and able to tank+kill is 2 different thing man

tanking AND able to keep your dps alive is also another thing

whats the point of tanking if ur dps die and u can stand there for 1min and cant kill shit till the enrage timer hits?

imho tanking is not an easy job especially on how the AI's are scripted, dunno why players keep using the word "tank" so freely lol
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This i know. We also assume that tanker will have to forego DPS aka kill.

As we talked about tanker, we talk about tanker.
Can Barb tank? With poison/fire/arcane under feet for 30 secs?

By the way, the Wiz that I saw could cause more damage than any of the players.
We were dead most of the time. It was the Wiz that killed those elites.
Wiz' Energy Twister (wicked wind) can cause 252% weapon damage.


Added on July 27, 2012, 3:48 pm
QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 27 2012, 03:39 PM)
Bought a1h 1k dps weapons. Increase dps but decrease vit. Kill faster or I die faster. Feel little regret now.. Haih...
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Err... so, now, the monster die first or you die first? laugh.gif

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post Jul 27 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(DrLaboo @ Jul 27 2012, 03:49 PM)
TONITE WE TANK IN INFERNO!!  rclxm9.gif
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post Jul 27 2012, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(The Amateur Working Bee @ Jul 27 2012, 03:55 PM)
youre like comparing builds without even considering gear wise swt

i dont even know how good the other 3 players or what kinda gears the wiz is on

the wiz im sure other than wicked wind he has diamond skin permaed, its a basic crit tanker build that requires high crit and loh gears

if you gear your barb according to needs of a particular tanking build, 30sec isint a problem
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Comparing builds?
Builds, gears, skills are all taken into consideration and we discuss who is a better tanker?

P/S I checked, the Wiz has diamond skin and Frost Nova too.

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post Jul 27 2012, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(present me @ Jul 27 2012, 04:08 PM)
Wah... ur AR 1k above also cant tahanĀ  n armor so high somemore ...play in a3 a4 so possible...if i build hp high, life reg n LoH cant recover my hp to facing monster.... my party use monk ar 800, hp 30k around
no LoH dps20k ,use shield... n use his skills...he can tank more then 5second.... I hope I rebuild I can tank abit n kill like cow........ I don't like ww build likeĀ  belle dance .. disgusting hahaha.....
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Tank normal creeps, no problem.
Tank extra health + fast + shield + melee elites, no problem.
Tank elites with fire/poison/arcane/chain, big problem.

As you mentioned monk, monk can do pretty easy in A3/A4 with 20K/6K armor/800 AR/40K HP/600LOH.
With similar stats, Barb is having great difficulty. It is doable nonetheless. As I mentioned, if you can't solo, try co-op.

P/S By the way, 5 second tank is nothing. Leap gives you 300% armor and you can tank 3 seconds & it takes 2 seconds to drain your HP .
You can do 5 seconds too.


Added on July 27, 2012, 4:36 pm
QUOTE(BboyDora @ Jul 27 2012, 04:25 PM)
Now just like "if u (monster) dun die , I die".. Haha.. Some can kill easily.smile.gif
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It is difficult to judge based on that.
With the new weapon, can you survive longer now? Less deaths in game?

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