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TSLemoNT
post May 24 2012, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(xander @ May 23 2012, 10:56 PM)
m trying to understand how monk weapon works actually.

let's say i have a fist equip on left and right is empty my damage is 3k

if i have both hand equip fist my damage is 3.1k

is tat normal?

assuming both weapon has same damage
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When u dual wield will have 15% bonus atk spd.
The dmg calculation gets messy but gonna give simple example with no stat weap.

Both weap have exact same damage, atk spd.
Eg : 100-200 dmg 1.00 atk per sec
Dps if use only 1= (100+200)/2 * 1.00
= 150 dps

Now if dual wield:
(100+200)/2 * (1.00 + (1.00*15%))
= 150 * 1.15
= 172.5 since both weap is same

If 2 weap is diff juz add the 2 individual dps n find the avg
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post May 24 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 24 2012, 12:18 PM)
oh you referring to that la, to what I remember - it's not about the weapon dmg either. It's about the ATTACK you see in the stats. no?

dual-wield a 133 + 133 doesn't mean it's better attack / dps than a 2-handed 200.

tested various combos before, I donno how to calculate the attack. even both can look like knuckle weapons of similar dmg + stats, the total attack variation can be huge.


Added on May 24, 2012, 12:18 pm

yeah molten kacau. a lot of them really tough for monk to kill cos have to run close.

serenity also last a few seconds only. sad.gif
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No le , the skill scale with weapon dmg like the 70-100 dmg stat not the dps .

basically ,

Dual wield = attack faster / extra dodge (with passive only) / more stats
2h = scale with skills better / extra spirit regen (with passive only) / Easy to get item (instead of finding 2 good 1h)

The dmg calculation increase with +atk%

This post has been edited by ghoss: May 24 2012, 12:30 PM
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post May 24 2012, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(LemoNT @ May 24 2012, 12:20 PM)
When u dual wield will have 15% bonus atk spd.
The dmg calculation gets messy but gonna give simple example with no stat weap.

Both weap have exact same damage, atk spd.
Eg : 100-200 dmg 1.00 atk per sec
Dps if use only 1= (100+200)/2 * 1.00
= 150 dps

Now if dual wield:
(100+200)/2 * (1.00 + (1.00*15%))
= 150 * 1.15
= 172.5 since both weap is same

If 2 weap is diff juz add the 2 individual dps n find the avg
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oic...so in this case dual wield would have a higher dps rate...so far there is no penalty for off-hand weapon rite? i mean traditionally the off-hand weapons in rpgs tend to lower the att rate
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post May 24 2012, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ May 24 2012, 10:31 AM)
seems like nobody wants to answer to this kinda question
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dual wield you get faster attack speed + additional attack stats from another weapon. simple as that.
bottom line is dual wield = more dps.

2hander may be a contender, however as far as monk dps goes, their bulk of the dps comes from their spirit generator skills and those are faster with dual wielding.
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post May 24 2012, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 24 2012, 12:29 PM)
dual wield you get faster attack speed + additional attack stats from another weapon. simple as that.
bottom line is dual wield = more dps.

2hander may be a contender, however as far as monk dps goes, their bulk of the dps comes from their spirit generator skills and those are faster with dual wielding.
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yo quaz..wats up....playing monk as well?
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post May 24 2012, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(xander @ May 24 2012, 11:21 AM)
ha any idea why.

is it been asked too many times or is a stupid question
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if ur dps on inventory is higher with shield, perhaps your shield is providing better stats than another offhand weapon. the shield wont be able to attack and your overall attack speed is still slower.
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post May 24 2012, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 24 2012, 12:25 PM)
No le , the skill scale with  weapon dmg  like the 70-100 dmg stat not the  dps .

basically ,

Dual wield = attack faster / extra dodge (with passive only) / more stats
2h = scale with skills better / extra spirit regen (with passive only) / Easy to get item (instead of finding 2 good 1h)

The dmg  calculation  increase with +atk%
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oh ok.

as for now, I sold off my stuff. using high DPS 2-hand. biggrin.gif hopefully can find some nice weapons for dual-wield.

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post May 24 2012, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(3ternal @ May 24 2012, 12:26 PM)
oic...so in this case dual wield would have a higher dps rate...so far there is no penalty for off-hand weapon rite? i mean traditionally the off-hand weapons in rpgs tend to lower the att rate
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the penalty is that both weapon dmg need to be close to each other .

Example,

Main hand 200dps / Off hand 100dps

You hit 1 time per second.

For 3 sec , Deal 200 + 100 +200 (cos you switch between hands)

So total DPS for 3 sec = 500/3 = 166.66

So you see that the off hand actually dragged down the dps
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QUOTE(xander @ May 24 2012, 11:34 AM)
m trying to understand how monk weapon works actually.

let's say i have a fist equip on left and right is empty my damage is 3k

if i have both hand equip fist my damage is 3.1k

is tat normal?

assuming both weapon has same damage
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yes it is perfectly normal.


Added on May 24, 2012, 12:36 pm
QUOTE(icecolddamncold @ May 24 2012, 11:36 AM)
actually asking a real noobs question here.. what's the difference between ppl saying their dex is 700 and DPS is 1k? what is the full name of DPS actually? damage per second?

from my understanding, say dex = 700, when i go to detail stats, my damage increased by dexterity will be 700% also... so what is DPS?


Added on May 24, 2012, 11:37 am
i remember someone referring u as SG in GGC haha cant really rmb d laugh.gif
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yes dps is damage per second. and usually it refers to the "damage" in your inventory

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post May 24 2012, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 24 2012, 12:35 PM)
the penalty is that both weapon dmg need to be close to each other .

Example,

Main hand 200dps / Off hand 100dps

You hit 1 time per second.

For 3 sec , Deal 200 + 100 +200  (cos you switch between hands)

So total DPS for 3 sec = 500/3 = 166.66

So you see that the off hand actually dragged down the dps
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hrm. now i see better. I keep thinking combining them but I forgot that it's taking turn to hit. LOL. logic sensor missing.
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post May 24 2012, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ May 24 2012, 12:35 PM)
the penalty is that both weapon dmg need to be close to each other .

Example,

Main hand 200dps / Off hand 100dps

You hit 1 time per second.

For 3 sec , Deal 200 + 100 +200  (cos you switch between hands)

So total DPS for 3 sec = 500/3 = 166.66

So you see that the off hand actually dragged down the dps
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hmmm...thanks for the help...i think i understand the monk weapon dps better in dual wield...thanks for the info thumbup.gif
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post May 24 2012, 12:42 PM

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Tip from me: when u get to inferno get a shield ASAP
I've tried a bunch of builds and so far most iable is tank build with tons of armor + resists.

I don't have the wxact stats rite now but i'm running with:
58.22% res to all
60% dmg reduction (mayb more)
12k dps
28k hp

Can solo act 1
if party with super dps i change to more hp gear n more armor n res

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post May 24 2012, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(goldfries @ May 24 2012, 12:38 PM)
hrm. now i see better. I keep thinking combining them but I forgot that it's taking turn to hit. LOL. logic sensor missing.
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That's why the say , use 1h + shield better .

Teach you guys a trick , find those weapon with bonus dmg . Like this one (not mine)

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It boosts your DPS greatly brows.gif
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post May 24 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(3ternal @ May 24 2012, 12:31 PM)
yo quaz..wats up....playing monk as well?
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yes, being sour in inferno because i dont have enough dps to kill butcher solo. got him to 50% and the whole room got no more patches to run and totally on fire.
once i get maiimouto enchantress to maxed 60 i will continue coop with friends to have their dpsers/glass cannons to join in while i tank.

dps spec/gear is around 10k which is obviously not enough since i require some defensive skills to stay alive.

tank spec/gear on the other hand butcher hits like a *****, but i only got around 2k dps lol.
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post May 24 2012, 12:43 PM

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argh still cant beat act4 first boss.

anyone got problem accessing AH? i got message say not available since last night
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post May 24 2012, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 24 2012, 12:43 PM)
yes, being sour in inferno because i dont have enough dps to kill butcher solo. got him to 50% and the whole room got no more patches to run and totally on fire.
once i get maiimouto enchantress to maxed 60 i will continue coop with friends to have their dpsers/glass cannons to join in while i tank.

dps spec/gear is around 10k which is obviously not enough since i require some defensive skills to stay alive.

tank spec/gear on the other hand butcher hits like a *****, but i only got around 2k dps lol.
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20k minimum to comfortably solo Butcher. Sounds to me like you just need to throw some gold into getting a decent weapon.


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post May 24 2012, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(LemoNT @ May 24 2012, 12:42 PM)
Tip from me: when u get to inferno get a shield ASAP
I've tried a bunch of builds and so far most iable is tank build with tons of armor + resists.

I don't have the wxact stats rite now but i'm running with:
58.22% res to all
60% dmg reduction (mayb more)
12k dps
28k hp

Can solo act 1
if party with super dps i change to more hp gear n more armor n res
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my defensive stats are more but i only got 2k dps lol.

not that it matters to me since i can rely on my friends to dps as i played mostly on coop. just wanted to try out solo inferno just now to see how i fare, and of course leveling maiimouto :3
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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ May 24 2012, 12:44 PM)
20k minimum to comfortably solo Butcher. Sounds to me like you just need to throw some gold into getting a decent weapon.
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Butcher is dps rush. Kill b4 the furnace lights up (aka enrage) @3min
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post May 24 2012, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(ZeratoS @ May 24 2012, 12:44 PM)
20k minimum to comfortably solo Butcher. Sounds to me like you just need to throw some gold into getting a decent weapon.
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id reckon i need around 15k, but yea 20k is a comfortable benchmark.

bidding for a 600 dps weapon from AH, hopefully i get it ^^
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ May 24 2012, 12:43 PM)
yes, being sour in inferno because i dont have enough dps to kill butcher solo. got him to 50% and the whole room got no more patches to run and totally on fire.
once i get maiimouto enchantress to maxed 60 i will continue coop with friends to have their dpsers/glass cannons to join in while i tank.

dps spec/gear is around 10k which is obviously not enough since i require some defensive skills to stay alive.

tank spec/gear on the other hand butcher hits like a *****, but i only got around 2k dps lol.
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oic....u have gotten so far in the game until inferno..lol myself i still haven't kill diablo yet under normal...playing it slowly with my friend whom gotten the game late...

Just 1 noob question..so far did u try using the Mantra of healing + boon of protection (b4 the patch update of coz) does it really absorb all dmg as it says?

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