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post Jun 19 2012, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(sidewinderz @ Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM)
Man...How you guys max out your resistance to 600+ I am stuck at 300+. Was wondering getting 600+ resistance reduces how much on your damage?

I'm assuming you're level 60.

DR (Damage Reduction) from Armor = Armor / ( Armor + 3000 )
DR from Resist = Resist / ( Resist + 300 )
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QUOTE(sidewinderz @ Jun 19 2012, 02:40 PM)
Man...How you guys max out your resistance to 600+ I am stuck at 300+. Was wondering getting 600+ resistance reduces how much on your damage?

resistance vs hp..which would you guys chose?

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Get at least 600 resistance then worry about HP. You can have 100k hp but if you have less resistance you still get 2-3 shotted.
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post Jun 19 2012, 02:51 PM

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how does damage reduction from armor and resistance works actually?

both reduces damage taken. which one kicks in first?
both at same time?
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post Jun 19 2012, 02:55 PM

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damn all playing inferno now, im still stuck at nightmare sad.gif

anyone feels like doing something good can donate me some armor/weapon for a low level 36 like me tongue.gif
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post Jun 19 2012, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(apsidewatch @ Jun 19 2012, 02:55 PM)
damn all playing inferno now, im still stuck at nightmare sad.gif

anyone feels like doing something good can donate me some armor/weapon for a low level 36 like me tongue.gif
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Nah, your weapon wont last your for long anyway, the max 1~2 days you will be switching weapons n gears. No point right?
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post Jun 19 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:51 PM)
how does damage reduction from armor and resistance works actually?

both reduces damage taken. which one kicks in first?
both at same time?
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armor kicks in then resistant is bonus

http://image.ohozaa.com/i/0bf/FXkQ4J.png

also

30k health + 900 all resist + 9000 armor = 60k health + 300 all resist + 3000 armor

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5836324621


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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jun 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
30k health + 900 all resist + 9000 armor = 60k health + 300 all resist + 3000 armor

wrong. even before doing the math also you should know from experience that 300resist/3000armor has a HUGE difference from 600resist/6000armor, what more 900/9000 doh.gif

MATH:

30k health + 900 all resist + 9000 armor = 480k for ranged, 685k for melee (we have extra 30% reduction)
60k health + 300 all resist + 3000 armor = 240k for ranged, 342k for melee.

[edit] I see that you are just copy pasting from that guy's equations. Most of his math is sound, but at the end he makes a brain fart or something.

This post has been edited by deodorant: Jun 19 2012, 03:31 PM
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post Jun 19 2012, 03:29 PM

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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jun 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
armor kicks in then resistant is bonus

http://image.ohozaa.com/i/0bf/FXkQ4J.png

also

30k health + 900 all resist + 9000 armor = 60k health + 300 all resist + 3000 armor

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5836324621
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act 1/2, ok fairly normal... act 3/4 SWEET JESUS THE 6 DIGIT DAMAGES!
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QUOTE(shinkawa @ Jun 19 2012, 03:19 PM)
armor kicks in then resistant is bonus

http://image.ohozaa.com/i/0bf/FXkQ4J.png

also

30k health + 900 all resist + 9000 armor = 60k health + 300 all resist + 3000 armor

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/5836324621
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uuughh wall of text.
i'll just look at this table.

http://image.ohozaa.com/i/0bf/FXkQ4J.png
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seems like higher armor is better than higher resist. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:31 PM)
seems like higher armor is better than higher resist. sweat.gif

All else being equal, 10 armor = 1 resist, IF your armor:resist ratio is currently 10:1

That means if you had to choose between a piece of gear that gave you 50 armor vs a piece that gave you 4 resist, you would choose the 50 armor piece.

However if your resist was significantly lower than a 10:1 armor:resist ratio, then it would make more mathemetical sense to take the 4 resist piece biggrin.gif
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say i'm at

5k armor
700 all resist

so that means ...
about 12% dmg get

if i pump all resist up ... say
5k armor
1000 all resisit ...

9.258% dmg get ... dafuq?

but if i pump armor up ...

say
10k armor
700 all resist ...

7.434% dmg get ... !!!

right ... for act2, i need to swap out deadly reach dmg rune for +50% armor rune and conviction mantra for evasion mantra + armor rune i guess
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post Jun 19 2012, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:35 PM)
say i'm at

5k armor
700 all resist

so that means ...
about 12% dmg get

if i pump all resist up ... say
5k armor
1000 all resisit ...

9.258% dmg get ... dafuq?

but if i pump armor up ...

say
10k armor
700 all resist ...

7.434% dmg get ... !!!

right ... for act2, i need to swap out deadly reach dmg rune for +50% armor rune and conviction mantra for evasion mantra + armor rune i guess
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you need a balance. the monk class is ALL ABOUT BALANCE

maintain a ratio of 10:1 armor to resist smile.gif
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:35 PM)
5k armor
700 all resist

With these numbers, you've got 92.13% damage reduction (62.5% from armor, 70% from resist, 30% from monk).

If you pump armor to 7k, it becomes 93.70% damage reduction
If you pump resist to 900, it becomes 93.44% damage reduction only.

So you can see that because your resist is quite a bit higher than your armor (using the 10:1 ratio), you gain more benefit from 10 armor than you do from 1 resist.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 19 2012, 03:39 PM)
you need a balance. the monk class is ALL ABOUT BALANCE

maintain a ratio of 10:1 armor to resist smile.gif
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nah. the table i just saw tells me that i will resist damage better with higher armor values lulz.

anyway after tonight, mobs in act 2 / 3 / 4 is supposed to deal less damage than before right?
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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:41 PM)
nah. the table i just saw tells me that i will resist damage better with higher armor values lulz.

anyway after tonight, mobs in act 2 / 3 / 4 is supposed to deal less damage than before right?
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read deodorant's post, or read the long tldr wall of text. what i said still holds truth. monk = BALANCE
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QUOTE(deodorant @ Jun 19 2012, 03:40 PM)
With these numbers, you've got 92.13% damage reduction (62.5% from armor, 70% from resist, 30% from monk).

If you pump armor to 7k, it becomes 93.70% damage reduction
If you pump resist to 900, it becomes 93.44% damage reduction only.

So you can see that because your resist is quite a bit higher than your armor (using the 10:1 ratio), you gain more benefit from 10 armor than you do from 1 resist.
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hmmm all right.
i'll try to stack higher armor values see how haha
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 19 2012, 03:42 PM)
read deodorant's post, or read the long tldr wall of text. what i said still holds truth. monk = BALANCE
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but ... but ... the table i saw ...
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post Jun 19 2012, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Deimos Tel`Arin @ Jun 19 2012, 03:42 PM)
but ... but ... the table i saw ...
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the table still points to having a balance. see the bottom right corners then look at the resist/armor values represented.
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jun 19 2012, 03:45 PM)
the table still points to having a balance. see the bottom right corners then look at the resist/armor values represented.
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hmmmm now that i look at it again ... yeah u r right. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(apsidewatch @ Jun 19 2012, 02:55 PM)
damn all playing inferno now, im still stuck at nightmare sad.gif

anyone feels like doing something good can donate me some armor/weapon for a low level 36 like me tongue.gif
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Added on June 19, 2012, 4:20 pmAiyo, just hunt for the best of both world. Uber resist + high armor. End of story. Other than that, keep farming.

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