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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 09:28 AM
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 17 2012, 09:22 AM) the only thing why swansea not going anywhere is becoz they dont have the players & money..we have those two..well I juz gave the most logical manager that would grace our club..cant think any better manager that can take our club to higer level..capello??..moyes maybe??..seems far fetch to me My fear of 'small' managers is that they have a small mentality like Woy....methinks AVB had the same. Cautious conservative approach to the game. Furhermore they will not be able to attract Big name players that easily. For discussion sakes of smaller names, what of Di Matteo...only for discussion.
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ May 17 2012, 09:40 AM) The problem is he won't attract big name players. We might lose Suarez, in addition to Kuyt, Maxi... Who can we buy to replace these players? In the end it'll take another 5 years for us to even return to challenging for fourth spot. Even that is not guaranteed as we haven't seen Rodgers at the top level. And the 1 year cycle will go on and on with FSG......sacking FSG
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 17 2012, 09:58 AM) yup, thats my feeling too. nope, its us fans (also). as much as FSG set out a goal. come on, we all need a goal instead of being aimless right? we are pretty divided this season with KD. sure, he has his mistakes, don't we all, rafa then too did, he admitted. are we fans prepared to forgive? The owners set the club to what their fans expectations & the ambitions of the club. there is no hiding behind we (the fans) are too partly in hand in what happens at the club You speak for yourself. No TRUE fan IMO would call for the sacking of kenny who happens to be the greatest Liverpool FC player/manager ever. ONE seasong goal? And sacked? The word 'sacked' should never be associated with Kenny.
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 10:26 AM
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QUOTE(chitchat @ May 17 2012, 10:20 AM) First of all u dont say AVB is a small manager, he is a treble winner at PORTO so u cannot compare him with manager in the mid table that dont win big trophy. And not all small manager will play defensively like WOY, B.RODGERS play some very nice attacking football, same with DI MATTEO when he was at WEST BROM. Even small manager need a chance to prove themself, they could end up like REDKNAPP and PARDEW. But to appoint new manager i think safest bet is someone that can take control of dressing room immediately, appoint manager with no big reputation takes time for the player to believe him and his tactics. Employ manager like CAPELLO, RAFA immediately gain respect in dressing room. I think RAFA will be a better choice, since there is still a lot LIVERPOOL fans that adore him. Ya he might be a bit cold in man management but as long as he can control the dressing room is should not be a problem. CAPELLO is a no nonsense guy, he chop anyone that cross his line, he surely have no problem control the dressing room. i didnt not call AVB a small amanger because of his acheivements. But i said 'small mentality'. Stepping from clubs like W Brom, swansea takes a lotta mental strength. Forst of all, there are BIG egos at Big clubs. Thats a very big hurdle. Thats what brought AVB down He tried to rid the olde players....they united and got rid. i agree we need to take the bull by the horns. Capello and Rafa fit the bill. BUT and very big BUT they need the owners to support them through this. If the owners are bent on results in the TRNSITION, then it will be another year of Sacking
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(uNeVErwaLkaloNe @ May 17 2012, 10:39 AM) No one is bigger than Liverpool, I guess this statement is not true since some of you think KD is bigger than Liverpool itself. No disrespect to KD, I know his past achievement, I respect him as one of the greatest at Liverpool. But if we change KD with Rafa and achieve the same result, 90% of Liverpool fans will call for his sacking. Like I say, the only thing keeping KD axed instantly was his stature. Now KD leaving is already a reality, the next part will be even harder, choosing the right manager and direction. I had my doubts on Robert Martinez, Paul Lambert and Brendan Rodgers after what we experienced with Woy. We had few options in Rafa, AVB, Frank Rijkaard, Capello as title winning manager. For now, we need to believe the owner will make the right decision. That statemnet does not stand alone.....theres still the Liverpool way. Sacking Kenny is not the Liverpool way. It maybe Chelseas way BUT its not the Liverpool way. Now begs the questions a) Who to bring in? b) How much will he/she get for transfers c) What IS Suceess? d) What if he doesnt succeed? e) Is sacking your manager after 1 season the NEW Liverpool way?
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 11:04 AM) a) Who to bring in? - now oni start looking--- DIE DIE LORb) How much will he/she get for transfers - dunno c) What IS Suceess? - top 4 in first season or bust d) What if he doesnt succeed? - sack e) Is sacking your manager after 1 season the NEW Liverpool way? - yes Better stay with Kenny. no?
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE(leftist @ May 17 2012, 11:10 AM) the sad thing, Steve Clarke will be a victim of all this..and the most postive thing of our season is the defense!  This move ie VERY disruptive....may set us back 3 years. Players may leave. MORE disruption. sad.......
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 11:19 AM
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QUOTE(vassilius @ May 17 2012, 11:10 AM) it took Mancini 3 seasons to win the league title.... kudos to the Middle East owner who showed faith... wif American owners, well... wat do u guys expect?  Aye. You know the fast food with their poisons. In Red sox, they sacked the manager after 1 bad season after two world wins! Now they are on their way down...last in their conference! This is the owners we have now.....
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 11:41 AM
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QUOTE(twtang @ May 17 2012, 11:34 AM) I think it is the same in our daily working life, American owners vs British Owner VS OZ owner are far difference. American owner, are very result oriented, middle process is not very important, that's why their fundamental is screwed up because they tend to do everything, anything just to get the result. Whatever sh*t happens in the middle is not important. I would say it is culture punya pasal la. That's why Carling cup, apa apa cup is not important to them and they are not interested to smell it also. What they want is result of 4th place, CL qualification. Failing to reach the result, there is the door. Very good points...only result matters. Thats why they their financiers sold their souls to the devil to make that extra $$$ and caused the financial crsis....only results matter. The soul of Liverpool FC will be gone
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 11:46 AM
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QUOTE(nando @ May 17 2012, 11:42 AM) i can understand the financial implications of CL football...the owners think its more important than beating MU, City, Everton on the way to earn 2 trips to Wembley..and actually winning our first cup in years...... it just makes you wonder...translate half of those goal-posts hits to goal, and we'll probably be in 5th or 6th....and Kenny would have probably kept his job.... the face of club football has changed forever.....lets be honest...philosophy like `the Liverpool way'....they don't have a place in modern club football anymore. 4th place, followed by 2-3 matches to destinations like Turkey, Ukraine and maybe 1-2 of the famous continental football stadiums......all these are seen as more important than a good run to a cup final, and winning them... Its mind boggling, to think that guys like Wenger and Arry are safe.....despite being no where near any cup success......while a legend like Kenny paid the price... i think in all of these mishaps and underachievemnets, we forget we ARE in Europa. How much is that worth? This post has been edited by prophetjul: May 17 2012, 11:46 AM
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:33 PM) Fair enough. FSG could have pocketed the money. No? P/S When FSG bought Liverpool, they bought both assets and liabilities. IF FSG pocketed the money, the sales would not have gone through. It s an open secret that the sales of Torres was hinged to buying of Carroll. On top of that, you think the creditors would be happy joes if FSG pocketed the sales monies from Liverpool FC? This post has been edited by prophetjul: May 17 2012, 02:50 PM
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 02:53 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 12:54 PM) You are wrong again. Go check what Sir Alex did. He revamped the scout and training system and the management of ManU acknowledged his effort. Not to forget he made sensible signings (that brought immediate impact to the team). You can check those historical facts. Again, success is not judge on "league result" alone. Alex did a lot more than league result and his boss agreed with him - and that's important and this was the reason his job was assured (despite poor league position in following seasons). i guess its because the BOsses were not fastfoodie Yanks... Added on May 17, 2012, 2:55 pmQUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 01:11 PM) Whether you want to look at it from the point of net spend or money paid by H&G, 1) FSG bought the club, that including debts and liabilities 2) FSG did allow 100 millions transfer kit. They could have pocketed it like H&G did. For me, we should not have allowed Torres and Meireless leave. We had signed Suarez. Get them stay for another season. The club was in rebuilding process. Convinced them with the club's ambition. Showed them that 100 millions of transfer kit. P/S On a second thought, 50m for Torres is kinda irresistible. Considering we could have bought Aguero for 30-40 millions. Considering Aquero's pay at 200k per week.....unlikely.... This post has been edited by prophetjul: May 17 2012, 02:55 PM
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE(ALeUNe @ May 17 2012, 03:34 PM) 200K x 5 years = 12 million. + 38 million transfer fee. Total 50 millions. Still a good replacement. Still a sensible signing. Added on May 17, 2012, 3:35 pmWell, my previous owners pocketed the money. It is not something new. Methinks you better calculate again 200k PER WEEK....... thats 10mil sterling pounds PER YEAR 5 years means 50 million sterling You pocket something if you made profit normally. But thats not even possible because its hinged to the Carroll transfer.
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 03:59 PM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 03:56 PM) I think you guys forget...we were 7th last season and 8th now... You expect Aguero to come ...You must be kidding me. All the talks about Gotze, Aguero and few others just show that some of you here who claimed to be realistic, failed to be a realist. Look where we are. The best we could do is raid some lower repu club for key players , hoping that other big clubs wont come for them. Added on May 17, 2012, 3:58 pmLatest name linked to us is Alan Pandew...  One season wonder, might end up like Woy...  i agree...thus the new manager will always face the risk of failure with such players aka Adam. Downing who were key for their past clubs
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:01 PM
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Interesting name here...... Marcelo Bielsa (A Bilbao)
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 04:02 PM) Marcelo Bielsa plays good football! I rike! But hes no young Un...and his Engerlund sucks apparently!
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(sickx @ May 17 2012, 04:05 PM) wow. Bielsa might be able to use Andy Caroll just like how he use Llorente. He could bring Llorente over!
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:20 PM
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Kenny will be torn apart by how this has ended: Alan Hansen
Although he won the Premier League as Blackburn manager in 1995 and also managed Newcastle and Celtic, he only ever really wanted to be at Liverpool and he waited so long to go back there.
Even when he was at Liverpool in his role as ambassador, prior to replacing Roy Hodgson as manager last year, he would pour his heart and soul into the club and spend more time there than anybody else.
Whenever I would call him on a Sunday, I would ask him where he was and he would be down at the Academy. He was non-stop.
So as his friend, I am really upset for Kenny because I know just what it meant for him to be back at Anfield.
He will be torn apart by the way it has ended and the reality that he will no longer be able to go back and mix with the players. Related Articles
It was the only job he wanted so, knowing him as I do, I don’t think there is any chance whatsoever of him managing again at another club.
I don’t know whether there was the possibility of Kenny remaining at Liverpool in his old ambassadorial role, but there is the chance that such a situation could have made it difficult for whoever replaces him as manager.
Let’s face it, Kenny might be too big a figure for the owners and the new manager to have around the club because, whoever comes in, they are never going to be bigger than Kenny Dalglish in the eyes of most people with an affiliation to the club.
Everybody in football understands that time is a precious commodity, but I think many believed that Kenny had earned another year at least to get it right at Anfield.
When he took charge again in January last year, the club were on their knees in many respects and he was delighted to be back involved.
The revival the team enjoyed in the second half of the season saw them just miss out on qualification for Europe and, although the target was to challenge for the Champions League places this season, it was hugely important for the club to end their six-year trophy drought by winning the Carling Cup.
Kenny knew how critical it was to get Liverpool back in the Champions League again, but he also believed that winning a trophy would be significant in terms of moving the club forward.
When you win silverware, it can be a springboard to greater success and I cannot believe that the owners would have parted company with Kenny had he also guided the team to the FA Cup.
How can you get rid of a manager who wins you two trophies? Had Andy Carroll’s goal stood in the FA Cup final against Chelsea, Liverpool may have ended the season having won two of the three competitions that they entered, so there would have grounds for optimism in the build-up to next season.
But the fact that the owners would not answer questions about Kenny’s future in the aftermath of the Wembley defeat by Chelsea suggested that there were problems ahead.
Until the last couple of days, though, I do not think anyone saw this coming because there was a feeling that Kenny had done enough to earn another year.
If the owners had backed him and allowed him to bring in a couple of players in, then Kenny would have been confident in being able to progress the team.
But my concern is that Liverpool will face a problem in keeping hold of their best players now that Kenny has gone. In my opinion, the likes of Luis Suárez, Pepe Reina, Martin Skrtel and Daniel Agger would be more likely to stay at the club under Kenny Dalglish than anybody else.
Throughout last season, it was clear that the players were 100 per cent behind Kenny and, when a manager goes, it always leads to uncertainty and confusion.
But the owners now have to quickly find a new man and go about identifying new players and keeping those already there because the new season is only 10 weeks away.
In making the change, Liverpool’s owners have set the bar high for whoever comes in by making it clear that they are determined to get the club back into the Champions League.
Kenny has a trophy this season and finished eighth, so what will happen in 12 months’ time if the new man finishes seventh and wins nothing?
Liverpool are now looking for their fourth manager in two years, with Kenny following Roy Hodgson and Rafael Benítez in leaving the club, so they have to be careful.
If you are looking for stability, then you cannot find that by changing key personnel on a regular basis.
Kenny will regret not getting the club back into the Champions League, but when he reflects on his second spell as manager, he will look back on a time when he steadied the ship and brought success back by ending their long wait for a trophy.
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(vcj1992 @ May 17 2012, 04:25 PM) To be honest, I am sad to see Kenny leave as well even though I'm very disappointed with how he insisted to keep his own players such as Hendo, Downing or Adam when they had been playing badly. That eventually costs him the job and I wouldn't disagree with the owners. Sometimes I just couldn't be bothered to read what those "pundits" wrote or spoke, especially those from BBC. Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrensen are ex-Liverpool players and Kenny was the one who brought Alan Shearer to Blackburn. These people have good personal relationship with Kenny and of course they will always on Kenny's side. I guess we have to read both sides and find a balance ourselves.. You are from the sky gen then.......?
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prophetjul
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May 17 2012, 04:33 PM
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Just heard the latest*
We have only Hilda, the tea lady left from the staff........everyone's left the ground
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