maybe not, though of all the speculation of candidates that's been throw in the air, as it the confirmation of permission from wigan to speak to Martinez (even if its pre talk) shows there are credible news our there then just baseless assumption.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 18 2012, 02:25 AM

thanks for the memories kenny. still legend in our eyes.




Liverpool holding talks for martinez, villas-boas and rafa benitez next week



This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 18 2012, 03:02 AM

ouch, that's a bit under the belt.


honestly, 30 million is better than nothing. there are managers that eye good talent, good network scout, as long as there is a vision. if not good enough (hey things arent always right all the time right?) then wheel deal in the market again.

Its been reminded it will be a long haul, it a sad pity KD isn't kept to set thing right. nontheless we move on.
KD still has liverpool in his heart. I think KD is confident that FSG isnt like our greedy G&H.

i never quite bother with the rubbish noises, so i don't listen. don't support. maybe juveniles like them

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 18 2012, 08:58 AM

well, if they feel their need to act like some of our local politicians, shoot without thinking.

just dont support the station. those irritating DJs think they are cute.

Coincidentally last night we were just talking with some veteran DJs about how low current radio DJs these days to attract juvie response & silly continued lame pranks, condescending lame jokes to up their popularity.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 18 2012, 09:36 AM

It is for this reason why I also think other manager from Benitez, might get the job.

Aquilani, marcherano, alonso, 'imports' must have commanded a high salaries, even joe cole. We are always looking to loan them (cole, aquilani) out once they "don't fit into managers" plan. Liverpool don't want them to warm the bench or be a useful sub in injury crisis. Totenham , Manu, man city have no problems letting them sit & wait/rot on the bench.


We must always want to get others to pay their salaries or like even in joe Coles case, we subsidized his salary!! Beat that!!

Save the trouble, Buy Swansea (players)

Bad joke

Changes will be difficult.

Maybe amongst the bigger club, we are the most staunch, traditionalist. Of course we should still be on guard as to ensure that we don't lose our soul. Commercialisation will probably take precedence over some stuff we are used too.

As much as we no longer have Dalglish at the helm, abandoning Liverpool will the furtherst from his mind, & I think he would want us to support the board and their plans of what's ahead.

YNWA

He rafa certainly has a gameplan/scope of players that has fits his vision of the perfect team. SOme may say he never gets it right by shifting some mediocre players in then out, BUT failed to realise that His main target choices usually get hijacked by bigger budget clubs. he targetted Daniel Alves – got away cause no $$. he too targetted Stevan Jovetic, again same story. Quite a few others slipped our grasp & turn up key players in the premiership.

He made us quite fearsome in europe yet we have fans saying it's not his squad, too many mediocre players. case muda lupa la, these fellas


I hope its only because they dont want to show overtly favourtism. OR they have a slight fear the aura of benitez have over the anfield crowd that might turn against them if the pool of investment & money doesnt arrive??
(since he so publicly spoke out against Hicks and Gillett).

They (FSG) probably fear a little of this spanish dude has somehow a magic wield at times over the crowd at the stadium.
who knows??



excerpts taken from rafabentitez.com
Comments (Gerrard) :




There are a lot of people who will judge rafa as how the media press sees it (which we feel usually pro the other team we shall not mention). Many are suckered in. if we take gerrard's quips, some from his autobiography, it is embarrassing to see some of the comments tht's targetted at him that we really know so little about in real life.








Deep down it think the current favourite is *martinez followed by brendan rodgers, andre villa boas.
Benitez is only then a last resort if all of them doesn't want it?? (Lfc manager's post)


*judging also by ian rush twitter sentiment that we (anti martinez fans) shouldn't be close minded on that option.


I'm open to martinez, if FSG considers rafa not up for it.
rant: damn, kenny should have been given 1 more season

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 19 2012, 09:27 AM

i wanna agree too but reading into Ian Ayre comments, i think we are now shifting what we should have done 20+ years ago, when the (english) premiership league shifted into place.

again i say, changes are always difficult. ian is confident that the positives will override the current negatives (departures).

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 19 2012, 09:02 AM

well, i understand duke viewpoint, dont think many of us could soften his doubt, here's a link (below) of hate, irritant, dislike, ignorance, a nice read.

Hope everyone on the fence could read this link below with an open mind
LINK=Anfield Wrap/ Rafa

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Added on May 19, 2012, 6:40 pm


now or later, it doesn't matter. I'm sure FSG has drawn a plan, well looks to me 'while its WIP, its a rolling one, instead of the old ancient way of things.

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Added on May 19, 2012, 6:51 pmyes, we knew he is last resort, or last on the list of candidates

after martinez, villa boas, brendan etc then lastly benitez

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 19 2012, 07:07 PM

afraid of the sense of deja vu perhap??

that's crazy.

if hypotactically a nameless manager wins the Europa cup next year, its KD's squad, the list goes on, & on.

Manager picks the first 11, gets them to drill practice the world week for the weekend match. Manager sets the strategy for the game.

I didnt know Houllier could operate fantasy manager to win the CL. at home, while the whole team is in istanbul.


never mind, never mind.

I posted a link in my last post, maybe some of you guys should Really read it, & understand it.

...and this media spun "poor man management skills" , some of you should REALLY take a leaf/excerpts from Gerrard's autobiography.



he does, all it takes is to read the fan forums in his site & all over other forums, proper football jounalist.

some guys just cannot stomach rafa decided to offload his favourite player idol to raise money to buy barry. Lfc fans need to be objective. & not fantasy football.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 20 2012, 07:32 AM

everyone said bayern played/turn up & bossed chelsea. TO me chelsea was the smarter one. They after all have entered into bayern's lion's den where they (BM) have not been beaten a lot at home, hardly conceded in open play against many oppositions.

To me all bayern did was showing up with tooth pick to poke chelsea whole night, instead of swords, dominating a lot yes, with puszy roar actually. true chelsea did ride their luck but they have done enough to frustrate BM.

Overall, bayern played rubbish. Absolutely no variation in their attacks despite holding majority of ball possession & attacking. all BM had to show in first half was a shot keeper cech save/hit the bar. Wasted their energy running like headless chickens, thinking they are some matadors. robben & ribery both were equally culprits destroying their BM own chances even if did headways.

and the arrogance (of their manager) thinking they already won it 4 minutes to the end, shifting in an unorthodox player in their formation. never learn, they never learn from their '99 failure.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 20 2012, 08:15 AM

Bayern was immense against real madrid.

In the final, IN their own stadium, their tag got them to lose the edge. they were playing, dominating but weren't donig it right. no head. left to to all pretty much ribery & robben to launch ideas, creativity. both were terribly off color in shooting department. mario gomez, muller too were generally average (in light what they could really be as in their semi final into your face RM game)

and this is suppose to be against a chelsea side without 4-6 key players.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 20 2012, 10:16 AM

I told my Chelsea friend in feb'12, I sense this season's CL, they may have their own version of 'CL miracle', mirroring our Istanbul experience. The were many pararells on their path as was ours, underdogs at preliminary stages, trials & tubalation within the club. Chelsea has a good squad, all it needs balance. Of course the 'players power' is a little concern but what can you do as it was a manifestation from mourino's brewing during his days there.

Di matteo, an italian, they are one of the best in giving others a lesson in tight disipline defense.

Some may argue it's mourino's core 'squad' that won this years CL. Core? Drogba, lampard, cole probably but I think the whole other players should be giving a pat on the back. Juan mata was immense. The whole Chelsea was desipline and patient. Of course they didn't want to concede muller's goal but what a header by drogba.




We may be bitter n jibe about Chelsea's win from all the years Abramovich's billions, or even oil sheiks indulgence at man city. Look at real Madrid, Barcelona and 9/10 of all the major throphies won by clubs have in common. It's investing big money into the best talents. (Of course we discovered expen$ive and immense talent is not mutually exclusive).

It not by fluke, or by chance a club win a league title. It's also just not about amassing a huge expensive talented squad, making them gel is something the manager has to brew, and brew well.

Pulling in the best talents out there, offering them an avenue to display their skills, orchestrated by sensible managers.

Maybe we too need to look ourselves in the mirror. It's almost by design, an organization or a business corporation will do well when they map out a clear strategy, though it mustn't be too rigid. Consumers taste are always changing.

We are at times, dragged by our own expectations, too rigid to change to the ever developing football landscape.



We now even prefer to get other clubs to pay aquilani and cole (half) high salaries. We are not even willing to get them as bench squad players. I get when some of us say they don't wan to play for Liverpool. Bro, if it's mutual, then just tear up the contracts la (let them go go free), but of course we can't, for we need to "recoup" back some $$

He left for greener pastures. I don't think we are willing to pay his salary sitting on the bench.


just heard a podcast of MO arrangement he had at MU (before it ended this week). 140K pay as you play (even as sub).

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 21 2012, 12:23 AM

because we never had a plan under roy. you see all he did was "aggur, carrager, when the balll commes into defunce, kick it high up the paurk for torre to chase, he will score gurls from there"


oh my god, he's englund manager now ok jokes aside. hmm, uncle roy



i don't know how fans still buy into media spun cold relationship between gerrard, carra & bentitez.

If reading into some excerpts of gerrard autobiography, there are lots of things we don't get to see, the lighter moments of him & rafa. no rift, no misunderstanding etc.

Maybe to some forumer excuse, who will comment gerrard is just being diplomatic of rafa. it's his autobiography, juicy tit bits sells. sadly there is no sensationalise bits unlike how media spins the cold row between these 2.


and you have fans/forumers repeatedly calling on rafa poor man management.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 20 2012, 11:18 PM

get torres to play in liverpool B team for 2 month as punishment when chelsea sells??.



fat chance Roman Abramovich will sell. They are on a high. They are back in CL next season. tough for tottenham. ohmygod the kind of insults the forums of tottenham & chelsea. (in other forums)


Next year, the season will be almost impossible to get back into top four given now that Man City with its title win under the belt, can now reinvest more players. There were commentators that mentioned maybe earlier Man city were attracting greedy players, but because they are now bona fide official winners, things will be different. Top players will be interested. The same goes about Chelsea. they are attractive to good continental players. (damn, i really like what i saw in juan mata, it's just too bad )

Eden is quite possitively to ManU, if not Man city will pry off ManU if hazard decides otherwise. lots, and lots of good continental players will be shifting to Manu, Man city, Chelsea, arsenal, in about such order.













and that would mean every other midtable teams (including us) will be only looking at scraps.

though not too bad as we have done in the past, another finland, scandinavia countries to look out?

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 21 2012, 01:16 AM

Looking back, this is my thoughts of our season.

The price of a being a modern Corporation football club. ie an american sports franchise. (we don't like to be seen as one, or politically correct to view us as one but it's how american view modern sports as a form of business enterprise. Expectations. Fans, their partners that pour huge monies in sponsorship, the owners.

While I think our season, went slightly below of the standards we set ourselves, getting into 2 finals, winning one, actually shows there at least some unity, some believe in the squad. Sure, the poor league standing somewhat nullifies whatever 'progress' that the team had shown.

While we do have questionable buys, but it's kinda expected not everyone fit into a round hole on day one. As much as he managed to secure the targeted players and them not living up to their valuation. That together with the weight of the hefty sum ultimately wielded the axe on our DOF. (my guess FSG thinks commoli didn't offer a alternative to KD in signings if they/he feels the valuation does not match the fee).

What i think ultimately had our king unceremoniously dumped out was the suarezgate affair plus the sum of a few. Not about him being found guilty or otherwise, but the manner the episode that became a PR disaster. Everyone had high regard for Dalglish in Liverpool, no one could pull him aside to offer a alternative view point or a PR proper in handling the case. Maybe Dalglish was stubborn, maybe he was not.

But my guess the episode turned out a little more ugly then the usual mind games managers throws at each other.
I think Liverpool partners (sponsors) may have offered their piece of mind. They (sponsors) might not thrown an ultimatum but being owners who are continually looking to inject fresh capital injection via commercialisation of our marketting appeal, they prefer not to allow the sponsors having excuses or going one up in negotiations.

I don't think the failure or the loss of no less 4 place alone costed KD position. Thats why we are restructuring the roles in Liverpoolfc having read Ian arye comments.

We didnt play disastrously like how Roy sets us up, but the weight of losing key players (thru injuries and suspension and the other lengthy suspension of a key personnel that could be avoidable one or minimised) ultimately drag any momentum or rthym we had to assault the upper standings in the league.



Expanding my view (was rushing earlier in the morning, now as i write from the hospital premise ),

To be fair, I support suarez, more so then the 2 face French *****, any time.

the cost of 4th no less doesn't surmountable to a axe, think rationally, if every other top manager fails one every season for the next 5 years, it must mean we have another 5 new manager every time?

No right? It doesn't take any fan to realise this and tell FSG how to run a club. It's pretty much the sum of all the above that wielded the chop. I do think if we removed the episode on suarez (if it didn't happen at all) Dalglish would still be on his 2nd year into his contract.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: May 21 2012, 12:38 PM

Some fun quips from rafabenitez.com forums

A 'John Henry' wrote
"Brilliant again Rafa. Do you want the job?"

another 'John W Henry' posted
"hello Mr benitez,

greetings from Boston. I shall get in touch with you soon. The outcry of fans wanting the return of the rafalution on my twitter these past couple of days haa been crazy. After seeing cheski's success there is no doubt that you are my man. Talk to you soon lad. "


It hilarious what some fellow fans write!

But you can almost sense some of humour from rafa himself.