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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 17 2012, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 12:55 AM)
Steve Clarke gone really? source????
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He flew to Boston with KK.
If KK gone, he's gone too.
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post May 17 2012, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(hyperyouth_firepower @ May 17 2012, 01:00 AM)
but he and rafa should make good combo. yawn.gif
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Yes, I have the same sentiment too.
He seems cool to me.
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post May 17 2012, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(Petre @ May 17 2012, 01:00 AM)
for me KK's return has been a nudge to the sleeping giant. its time to wake up...so wake up will be, the sleeping giant. this is what i believe...
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I have my next fear, the age of our players are catching up (i.e. Gerrard and Carragher).
The sleeping giants can't do much if their bodies can't make the call any more.


Added on May 17, 2012, 1:05 am
QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:02 AM)
Suarez leaving too like Steve Clark?
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We need to learn from the Torres transfer.
Rejected the request, like what Tottenham did to Modric.

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post May 17 2012, 01:06 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 01:05 AM)
Bad solstice mad.gif
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post May 17 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:06 AM)
FSG wont turn down good money tho
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I doubt Suarez can fetch more than 50 millions any way.
It is better to keep him.
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post May 17 2012, 01:09 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ May 17 2012, 01:07 AM)
What??? I gonna miss him  cry.gif  cry.gif  cry.gif


Added on May 17, 2012, 1:08 am
Adam first yo...His free kicks/corners alone worth 10m, bet we can sell him for 15m together with the fat? tongue.gif
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I thought the South American star was Suarez. vmad.gif
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post May 17 2012, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:11 AM)
no nid 50 mil. maybe 30.

9 claps
Dalglish!!
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30 millions is not good enough. We may not be able to get another player with similar quality with 30m.
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post May 17 2012, 01:16 AM

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QUOTE(Belphegor @ May 17 2012, 01:14 AM)
I did not the board would give up hope on King Kenny so fast. This is really out of my expectation. Honestly never see this coming. :/
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You never see this coming?
Head to any Liverpool fan message boards, it is already speculated many months ago.
The debate is more or less what we discussed here.
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post May 17 2012, 01:22 AM

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Head to kopitiam.
Surprise! ManU fans backed KK.
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2349424
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post May 17 2012, 01:26 AM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ May 17 2012, 01:21 AM)
Rajagobal for manager!
the king is gone, long live the raja!
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2349424/+81
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post May 17 2012, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ May 17 2012, 01:38 AM)
Suarez quit if Kenny is sacked
http://www.koptalk.co.uk/forums/ubbthreads...t&Number=209939

fake news lol
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I think it might happen. That depends on the relationship of Suarez with KK.

Mascherano and Torres lost hope in our club since Rafa left.
That tells you the ex-manager does influence the players.
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post May 17 2012, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(imin @ May 17 2012, 02:14 AM)
Pretty good read I had.
At least it sums up how KK got the boots.


Added on May 17, 2012, 2:26 am
QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 02:18 AM)
I'm gobsmacked to be honest. And a bit disheartened, because lets face Kenny is Liverpool and vice versa. To see him go like this is a bit like saying there's no chance for us to find our way back to our roots. But if shit is about to get worse for us, then it's probably right that he should leave before that happens.

I'm not even sure i want to see Rafa back now. Not that i don't believe in him, i simply would hate it to see him fall like Kenny.
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The new manager, let it be Rafa or not, has to deliver results.
It is a fair game.
Otherwise, he should go like KK or other ex managers.

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post May 17 2012, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 02:39 AM)
And we could spiral out of control if we keep chop and change managers. It sounds simple, deliver results or gtfo. But you know what would happen now ? The moment results start turning against us, new managers will automatically go into defensive mode because they fear the worst. Players will be advised by their agents that Liverpool FC are unstable and that you may play for Rafa for half a season and then someone like Hogdson for the remaining season.

I hope this time FSG do their homework and  get the replacement spot on.
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This has to be the way. It has to be result oriented.
All the giant clubs in Italy, Spain, England etc are doing it.

I can understand why. The salary of players ain't cheap. The tickets and merchandise ain't cheap.
Results has to be delivered. It's business. It's a profession.

All managers that unable to achieve the goals know the consequences.
They knew it before they accepted the job.
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post May 17 2012, 03:29 AM

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 02:51 AM)
but it tooks wenger and ferguson a few years to achieve stability, but sadly henry want instant success
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Many said Fergurson needed years to deliver his 1st title.
That is not true.


Ferguson brought ManU to No.2 during his 1st full season as manager of ManU.
He revamped the scout and training system (i.e. produced young players like Ryan Giggs, David Beckham, Scholes etc). He made sensible signings and enhanced the depth of squad (i.e. Steve Bruce, Roy Kean, Paul Ince)
All these are progresses. You can check the history, all these were done before he got his 1st league title.

Arsene did the same thing (if i'm not mistaken, Arsenal always play in Champions League under Arsene Wenger).
He made sensible signings (Marc Overmas, Thiery Henry, Emmanuel Petit, Patrick Viera...)
He has the best youth academy and squad in the league.
All these are proven progresses too, that keep him the job.

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post May 17 2012, 03:35 AM

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:18 AM)
thats cruel ..i love winning as well, but result doesnt always go our way. so it will be hard for managers to work with henry since he want to win champion league and premier league every year..even Man Utd cant do that
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How we determine "success"?
Not only the league title or winning cups.
We need to look at signings (sensible signings?), depth of the squad, good football?, and future developments (scout or youth development system).

In fact, no fans expect KK expect him to deliver league title.
For me, the least I wanted to see is good lively football instead of ugly gameplay.
I guess it is not too much to ask.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 03:48 AM)
Yes Aleune and i'm sure Villareal had the same idea. 3 seasons. 3 managers. Boom. Chop and change is not the way forward. That is a symptom of a problem. Only the super rich clubs can afford it, for others it's downright dangerous.
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Well, Henry came in with big ambition and huge transfer kit.

In fact, let it be big or small clubs, they all sack the unperformed managers.
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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 03:47 AM)
again, read the link i posted earlier, henry expect a manager to win the world series on the same year they were appointed, if you fail, he sack, getting into play off but lost, you get booted out as well, miss the play off, you got to go as well, winning the world series 2 times in a row but 3rd year u failed, u get sacked as well.
Henry doesnt give u another year to prove, he expect the moment u r hired, you have to win premier league or either europa league
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if we can play like Barcelona, even if we keep hitting woodworks and ended 10th place, i'd rate KK achieved an excellent result.

Let's forget about Henry for a moment, let's rate KK performance.
Result (league position)? Failed
Sensible signings? Failed, even the KK's boss has an impression that those signings are a waste. Failed.
Good football? No.
Depth of squad (after spending 100 millions)? Failed. It's nail on the head.
Future development? I don't see it. But i'll give the benefits of doubt to KK that there's big plan in the pipeline.

For me, it's pretty bad job done.

p/s Arsene Wenger brought Arsenal to No.3 during his 1st season. Excellent result.
He won the league title in the following season.


Added on May 17, 2012, 4:03 am
QUOTE(Adryan @ May 17 2012, 03:52 AM)
Actually I meant "that's NOT how" and not "that's now how".

Lol, one letter wrong and I gave the sentence a whole new meaning! Sorry about that.
He finished 11th, 2nd, 11th, 13th, 6th. Winning his first trophy in his 4th year (FA Cup) and first league title in his 7th season. During 1985 to 1990, English clubs couldn't play European so where you finished didn't really bring any good stuff (other than 1st of course) and it was us who won 1985–86, 1987–88, 1989–90 with Everton winning 1986-1987 and Arsenal winning the other one.

Yes, you said he revamped and isn't that what Rafa did and Kenny slowly introduced the academy players into the squad? Maybe his signings were not the best but we had a small pool to choose from in all honesty. 8th position but two finals, winning one and qualifying for Europe, could be considered progression. Also has 32 trophies in 15 years with Liverpool (player and manager) and Ferguson has 37 in 28 years wink.gif.

I don't know much about Arsene Wenger other than him winning 3 league titles but look at them now, terrible start to the season but still finished in 3rd place. It's his philosophy and belief that reap rewards - something we decided to throw away that made us successful.
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11th? Alex appointed in mid-season.
He brought ManU to 1st runner up during his FULL season. Excellent result that sealed his job.

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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 04:01 AM)
i agree with that, i always love the way arsenal plays when they have the likes of henry,bergkamp and pires, they play very nice attractive football, but 1 think i do realise with liverpool is that, no matter how good a player technical ability is or how good is their dribbling skill because they sign for liverpool, but after they sign with us, its like they totally lost it. im guessing player arent allow to show off their skill in liverpool?
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One way to explain that is bad tactics and formation were adopted.

Remember how we kept sending long ball under Uncle Roy? Torres was chasing the ball like headless chicken.
This season we saw balls were consistently crossed from the left, Downing and Erique.
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QUOTE(hfi @ May 17 2012, 04:06 AM)
Well if he had big ambitions and then why did he sanction the transfer of Carroll, Downing and Adam ?

And sacking managers dosn't necessarily means its the right thing to do. You can go back and trace where sometimes it pays off to persevere. But this is not what bothers me the most, it's the club's indecisiveness and reckless decision making that's has put us in this path. You realize we now have no key staffs at the club. No CEO, no head of communication, no manager and no DOF.
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He trusted King Kenny, like the rest of us 18 months ago.

If he knew those are the flops, which would have made him God, I bet he'd rather keep those 100millions in American bank.


Added on May 17, 2012, 4:14 am
QUOTE(Burningsunz @ May 17 2012, 04:09 AM)
but why didnt FSG appoint KD on another role? why did they just sack him and let him go
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We do not know what was discussed.
May be there was an offer but KK turned it down.
I remember an article mentioned that KK flew to Boston to have "back me or sack me".

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QUOTE(kevafk @ May 17 2012, 04:09 AM)
sad to see Kenny go but club is always be the priority.. now FSG need to get the right manager for the club else Kenny i would imagine he would be disappointed if the club did not improve.

Good news is new manager, i guess more transfer fund? please get the right players pretty please..

anyway i hope Kenny come back as ambassadorial role again, he is always a Legend!
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Once bitten twice shy.
I doubt the new manager will have another 100 millions to spend.
KK is always a legend. He still holds the record of win %.

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