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 Peugeot 408......, Launching Soon ? Now with pics... :D

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post Dec 24 2012, 05:32 PM

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QUOTE(sivananthan @ Dec 24 2012, 10:43 AM)
Hi All,

This is what I observed :

1) After collecting my car on Friday, I fill up oil myself since the SA said he didn't pour oil for my new car ( I didnt demand on this anyway). So once I pour oil , I saw the panel showing faulty engine error and also the engine sign still in amber light. I was actually shocked to see this and wanted to return the car. But the it was too late actually (almost 6pm) , So the SA told me to come the next morning to check.  But after reaching home and later I start the car again and suprisingly I dont see this anymore. Then the SA called me the next morning to inform that this is due to the oil change. I poured the RON 95 but the engine was originally designed for RON 97 it seems. So thats why the error message appear for the first time but it wont appear anymore after this. This is what mentioned by the SA. I believe many here didnt notice this probably due to initial oil was poured by SA for you guys and the SA should have noticed this but not you.
2) The second observation was the brake.While driving back after collecting car, I found the steering is shaking whenever I brake. I told the SA and he mentioned that this is due the new brake and need to check if need to put some oil. So I m going to the centre later . At the same time  my brother's father in law who also bought peug 308 turbo had the same problem. He bought the car earlier in the year and also had the same issue of steering shaking when he brake. According to him , the brake became normal after reaching 1k mileage. So I m ahooping the same. Did anyone have this issue?

So far this 2 things I observed so far. The rest I m just learning by refering to the manual. Too many things to digest on the electronic part
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You filled oil at the engine or tank? Why need oil change on brand new car? Who told you this engine is tuned for RON 97?Who told you brakes need oil,brakes and oil are like fire and water!
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post Dec 25 2012, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(sivananthan @ Dec 24 2012, 06:11 PM)
Hi Skyjack,

Let me clarify here. The oil I mean was petrol. This is what I observed when I pour petrol in the tank on friday. I got the error message of "engine fault" when I first time pour petrol. My car mileage was 30km and there was already indication that no fuel in the car.
Anyway, I just came back from the SC just now and this time I spoke to the mechanic there. He said for the first time , u will see this error but not to worry. This is due to petrol poured was RON95. But he said I can remain pouring the RON 95 after this and the error wont appear again. And yes indeed no error appear since then(since friday)

For the brakes, the mechanic told me that my car was in the garage for quite long time and was not used and hence the brake was quite rusty. He showed me the brake and I can see some rust in the brake. And he said I can drive for some time and the brake should get back to normal. If not he said , he will change the brake related parts
Hehehe.......for a moment I thought you have cooked your engine by pouring oil into your fuel tank or RON 97 into your engine!Glad it was just a misrepresentation. As for the brake judder,it could be defective tyres. It is possible you were unfortunate yours came from a bad batch. Check the tyre pressures first.

The brake disc are made of high tensile steel,unlike stainless steel, they are prone to rust. Stainless steel is too smooth and has poor brake action. The rust that you see on the disc is only surface rust which will brush away very quickly upon braking. Under no circumstance let the SA oil the disc! This will lead to NO brake action!!!

Welcome bro,enjoy your ride!


Added on December 25, 2012, 9:52 am
QUOTE(kenso77 @ Dec 25 2012, 08:27 AM)
Actually, I've known a few new Puggies who encountered this .... and all of them does not report the same issue cropping up again after the first pump
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Bro kenso,now that you have divorced your Pug,is VW more satisfying?Btw good to see you come here once a while to give suggestions! I'm sure your years of Pug experience is valuable.

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post Dec 26 2012, 09:17 AM

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Hi Siva
No problem in doing high speeds before 1st inspection. Even the manual does not give any 'break in' speed. These new engines are designed to run right away. Yes the car is so stable that is easy to do those speeds without realizing. On top of that,turbo is very additive,the more you push the she wants......hehehe! Even 200kmh comes on effortlessly! Truly a marvelous engine!

If the brake judder persist,have it inspected and update us. In the mean time check the pressures as a precaution. If the tyres are defective,you possibly could land into more problems with an over inflated tyre!
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post Dec 27 2012, 10:21 AM

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My sincere appreciation to my dear friends, jfcheong,Kanasai79,sivananthan,EnergyAnalyst,jessyeo & lowpro for unanimously voting me for the reps post.

Unfortunately I don't think I'm worthy of it as I may not have the commitment. Having technical knowledge is one thing but I feel it is more important for a rep have commitment. One reason is I travel a lot and may miss many club functions.

Please accept my apology. However I will still be supportive to any 408 owner who seeks my help.

Cheers guys,thank you so much, once again!
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post Dec 27 2012, 02:57 PM

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QUOTE(jfcheong @ Dec 27 2012, 07:29 AM)
Hey Jess, so long never see u comment here ady
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Come on la Jess,why so quiet? We wanna hear your wheelspins spills & thrills!
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post Dec 28 2012, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(EnergyAnalyst @ Dec 28 2012, 01:38 PM)
Got this free gift a nice peugeot key chain from my sales agent when sent car for a squeaky car hinges fixing. Both FOC. Get one if u have not- the free gift , not the squeaky car door hinges !
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Good one bro,well done. My SA although nice fella,I think will save this for new customer.I bought my car 6 months ago!

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post Dec 29 2012, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(matsukatsu @ Dec 29 2012, 09:13 AM)
Hi guys, just sent my Lion for 1st 10k service! I did at 10350 actually & was scared sh#t  wil exceed 10,500 !! Was impressed though, service advisor covers the steering & gear knob with plastic laminates & seat with new protective sheet. Not bad ah
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I'm very glad to hear this news. I think PBB is making a serious effort in customer service.Especially so,since Peugeot has invested heavily in Malaysia. It will be difficult, as people always remember the previous bad days.

Before I bought my Pug,I actually did a private investigation on PBB and SC of a German make.Being a technical person myself,proper maintenance is crucial to me! Spoke to front desk reception and inspected workshop. Final impression is that competence level with PBB is much higher! I can see PBB continue this trend. I believe Peugeot is here to stay!


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QUOTE(matsukatsu @ Dec 29 2012, 09:13 AM)

Added on December 29, 2012, 9:53 amBtw, had also driven my 408 NA to Singapore ( Lion enters the Lion City !) last week b4 Xmas. On a stretch b4reaching skudai, had tried pitching against VW Passat CC & Scirocco !. Seriously NA can kept pace with Passat Cc with more room to go.  As for Scirocco, the 1st 100kmh its surely ahead but not for long as by 150-160kmh til 185kmh, just nicely 20-30metres behind. Looks like 2.0 has enough grunt to keep pace once exceed 110kmh. Btw, the road was clear & certainly safe plus with the solid handling & braking capabilities. Also, I noticed at 140kmh, rpm is at 3.6k.
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Hehehe........well done on keeping the German boys on check! But actually both those cars can easily tapau even my turbo la! Those guys are super & turbo charged la!

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post Dec 30 2012, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(matsukatsu @ Dec 29 2012, 10:40 AM)
Skyjack you're right, indeed effort has been put into it & hopefully it gets better from here smile.gif smile.gif ! I too had benefited from this sharing by u sifus! Hehe, as on the VW , ur right lah, but at the end, its on street road and not race track. But anyhow its just my testing of this machine that costs a fraction, rides & handles comfortably & an engine & tranny that is also responsive I might say.
Yeah you are right,street run depends on individual driving skills. Waaaah like this,you'll tapau me also la....hehehehe!Let you take my T on the road,you'll whack all those fellows flat la....hehehe! Glad you are enjoying your new babe! Tell us more,if you have any exciting stuff!


Added on December 30, 2012, 11:08 am
QUOTE(jessyeo @ Dec 29 2012, 03:53 PM)
matsukatsu,

If there someone comparing his K5 rpm with yours 408NA then tell him that is a mistake too. K5 come with 6 speed gearbox and definitely having lower rpm at high speed when comparing with 408NA 4 speed gearbox.
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Yup, fully agree with you Jessy,different engines perform differently. This is kindergarten knowledge!!!

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post Dec 30 2012, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(lowpro @ Dec 30 2012, 06:48 PM)
by the way, automobiles peugeot invested nuts here. all the money came from the local guys. not like the germans who built their fame on lots of euros.
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What about the robotic assembly plant in Gurun?
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post Dec 31 2012, 11:45 PM

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[quote=kcng,Dec 31 2012, 09:54 AM]
go test a K5 or try having 1 over the weekend...

the engine and gearbox is so crude and un-refined. the throttle input is so laggy and the car needs time to get up to speed.
you cant just floor the throttle as the engine will make alot of racket up front and yet you are not going anywhere despite the racket...
(granted the one i have was the one with the theta-II engine, yet to be given a NU engine version)

the ride and handling is rubbish even when compared to the preve i had the week earlier...
body roll is so uncontrolled...
the steering is hydraulic but i cant feel the road... weird..
heck even the paddle shifters felt flimsy... when u look deeper, things like exposed subwoofer and mechanical parts in the trunk, tactility of the buttons comes to fore...

cant comment on the tyre noise as it is subjective because u can always change to a quieter tyres to lower the noise...
but the one i have is stock nexen with roughly about 20% used and boy the tyre is noisy..

apart from space, nope until they improve on it, this will not be recommended to my friends or family. this is precisely why camry is still selling so well despite sporting such a low spec...

personally, i find it the best way to drive the K5 is to slowly get it up to speed. this car is for u to take your time and enjoy the journey as the seats are truly supportive. just dont get anywhere in a hurry.

i am getting a 408 NA for use over the weekend in the coming weeks.
lets see how it goes.
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Wow bro,this an astonishing revelation of the K5. From my own evaluation,I know the engine is unrefined and harsh. That completely startled me for this day of modern technology. I am absolutely shocked by the poor throttle response,rubbish handling and body roll which you describe! I did test drive the K5,but I'll take your word on it since you are an owner. I always believe owners know better than anyone else. Others can only test drive,read and comment! On top of that, we go to great length to proof to everyone their car is not as good! How childish!No disrespect to you, I have never gone to K5 thread to trash them! I salute you my fried for your unbiased feedback!

I found the tyre noise rather loud and extremely annoying,but i suppose owners have to spend more money to change better quality tyres.......goosh!

Bro it's admittedly by owners, an underpowered car,so ok la drive slow! I understand the NU engine will be reduced HP! How like this..........some more underpowered!

Better get the 408t la, the NA is good,but after your disappointment with the K5 i think you want a more exciting car to drive. Believe me for the money,the 408t is fabulous & will not disappoint you. You will enjoy miles and miles superb driving!

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post Jan 1 2013, 09:53 AM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Jan 1 2013, 02:34 AM)
btw NU engine supposedly has higher power ratings then the current theta-II
That's what I was led to believe it will be higher power. However read a recent review that HP is reduced to achieve 3% FC improvement. KIA has been very concerned about poor FC. Are the NU engined K5 already in Malaysia?


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QUOTE(zweimmk @ Jan 1 2013, 12:48 AM)
Actually Kcng isn't an owner, but got to use the car over a weekend and that was his findings. But once you've driven a turbocharged car, most standard NA variants will feel underwhelming... unless it's a huge 3.0L NA V6 engine or at least those E90 325i inline 6.
This is very true,I don't think I can go back to the NA again! No offense to my NA bros,it's like taking a bite of a forbidden fruit.......hehehe!

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post Jan 1 2013, 01:46 PM

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Here's some facts about the K5s NU engine for some ignorant who continues to spew nonsense. These are established facts,not my personal view. Not only ignorant,too lazy to check facts.

"The new 2.0L engine, with the code name G4NA, is made by Hyundai Wia Automotive Engine (Shandong) Co., Ltd., in Rizhao, Shandong. It develops up to 162Ps (119) at 65000rpm and 194Nm at 4800rpm. Compared with the G4KD 2.0-litter from 2011 (rated 165Ps/6200rpm and 198Nm/4200rpm), it is slightly less powerful. Thanks to a 9% or 117.4kg reduction in weight, the Nu engine helps to improve the K5′s fuel economy by 3%"
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post Jan 2 2013, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(zenix @ Jan 2 2013, 01:39 AM)
isn't this a 408 thread?
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You hit the nail right on the head,bro!
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post Jan 2 2013, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(kwchan_7 @ Jan 1 2013, 05:27 PM)
Hi Guys...Just got my blue 408T (wifey car actually)on last day of 2012 yesterday and joining in the lion tent!! I'm driving 1.6MD Elantra and the 408T handling is totally different from Elantra, while driving on rough pavement road or those yellow zebra line, i can feel the steering juddering or rather I say.. I can feel the roughness on the road where as my Elantra.. I'm totally numb on the steering.. Is this normal?
408t has a sports suspension and chassis setup. This is a stiff setup as opposed to the soft setup on the Elantra. Whilst the stiff setup improves handling tremendously,unfortunately is a bit harsh. The stiffer any object is,the less shock absorbent it will be. Therefore road regularities are not absorbed that well. Hence you tend to feel this via your steering wheel. This is very normal. The steering on the 408t is electro-hydraulic. This has very precise feel and feedback. I can tell you from experience with many other cars,Peugeot has raised the bar here!

You can reduce the harshness by lower tyre pressures and using normal profile tyres. Normal profile tyres may reduce the handling marginally,but will reduce harshness and improve comfort levels!


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post Jan 10 2013, 09:02 AM

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Sorry to hear your problem bro kejusan. My practice is, when 1/4 full I'd hand $50 to the cashier to fill up. Never drove till empty or full.

I'd say the handling of your problem by PBB is rather poor. You should highlight this to higher management. What is the point in opening up all those SCs nation wide when customer support is poor.
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post Jan 10 2013, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 10 2013, 02:30 PM)
Wait, what is the problem? That you overfilled your petrol tank? Is that an issue apart from wasting petrol? I always fill until it stops, wait a bit, fill again, and then maybe manually until it is really full.... Helps calculating how much I consumed...

Or is the problem that the car is leaking?
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He pumped fuel till the tank was full. The gauge indicated full. However the pump did not stop nor did it spill out of the inlet nozzle, fuel was coming out below his tank.
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post Jan 10 2013, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Termibait @ Jan 10 2013, 10:25 AM)
Kejusan,any photo taken? Not very sure what ur actual problem is. I always drive until petrol light is on and pump full tank.
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This is a very good suggestion bro. Sometimes it is very difficult to describe a problem to SC. Must keep this in mind,in future!
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post Jan 10 2013, 03:43 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jan 10 2013, 03:28 PM)
Ok. So... what is the problem then? Why need to tow car? Happened to me too, I just moved on... no problem. And not just one car, surely 2 or 3 different models.
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The source and extent of leak at point in time is unknown. It would be rather complacent to say the leak is at any one spot of the fuel system which could be highly disastrous,even though fuel is spotted on the ground below the tank. I feel bro kejusan did the right thing keeping the safety of his family in mind!
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QUOTE(dchan126 @ Jan 10 2013, 04:59 PM)
I have once experienced on my wife's car (Kancil), a few years ago.
The fuel flows out from the inside to the floor when the tank is almost full.
It happens a few times. The fuel will not flows out if we didn't pump full tank. This problem happens after we send the car for cleaning the fuel tank (a lot of rusty substances inside the tank). We can also smell the fuel from inside the car.
Lastly, we send the car for checking and the SC found out a connection is not connect properly. The fuel flows out from the gap of the connection.
So, i think if you can smell the fuel inside or outside your car, you should send your car for checking.
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You are absolutely right bro. I'll tell you how serious the matter is.

Fuel is a highly volatile fluid. With the addition of oxygen it becomes combustable. By releasing fuel to atmosphere,it freely mixes with the oxygen in the air. So fuel leaks are potentially dangerous cos it readily mixes with the oxygen in the air and is waiting for a spark! When that unexpected spark takes place,all hell breaks loose!

This is the main reason for automobiles catching fire!IMO I will treat fuel leaks very seriously!
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post Jan 11 2013, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(RON408 @ Jan 11 2013, 09:00 AM)
Yup. i agree with you.

Anyway, it's great to share if anybody already went to their 10k service.
What was the parts they change for us?
What was the cost incurred?
Any technical issues arise?

Cheers.
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I've done 10k service. Labour is free for this service ,you pay for parts. My bill came to$381. I insisted on Total quartz INEO. If you use Petronas it will be $50 cheaper.

Items changed:
5liters Total Q INEO
Oil filter
Washer


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