LoL, I hate those types too, you mainly see more of these down in the 1500 to 2k BP area. Above them, you'll get a lot more focus... they're like..

0~1k = Randoms, like really random stuffs. Play offensive all the way through and you can easily make it out of this pool.

1k to 1.5k = Use some simpler tactics, expect wakeup SRK, nothing your standard stand there do nothing won't help on this pool range.

1.5k to 2k = Block strings are useful. You start to see a lot less Ryus and a lot more Kens, Adons etc.

Above 2k you'll see a lot more focus absorb and attacks. Patience, and the ability to actually punish comes very important here.

I'm still stuck at 1.5k to 2k level, there are some that deliberately drop their BP so they can play lower levelled players to raise up their PPs. They normally hang around 1k levels. That's why it's a bit of a mix up in that range.

Through my experience, it's very easy to shit out a win with Thawk.
TKC's thawk for example... Really that day, started with mashing grab, then after it stopped working started mashing dive/uppercut randomly.

Nah, i don't really agree. You still need a bit skill to win this way.
If you have mind games and instant reaction, it's more possible.

For casual players ( if they play like that ), you can play 100% defensive and they can't really win.

Sigh, sad to say. I've also gotten a lot of this kind of matches before i concluded it

( p/s: Ya ya, win is a win, not matter what gameplay. I'm salty too xD *rant* *rant* )

This post has been edited by SemiSweet: Jun 17 2012, 03:31 AM

Yeah I know. But I just expected much more from a 4k PP player? You know. His Gen also 10k+ BP. Only combo is Oga > Gekiro. :|

... apparently you've not played enough of THawk.

(><") You've easier time with gief than THawk definitely. Dives are not safe, uppercut's angle is pretty retarded, condor spire loses to half what characters can pull out.
In other words, he can be easily shut down'ed if you know how to.

... come to think of it.. maybe my ways were wrong. Should play it that way!

No actually, Thawk is a pretty bad matchup for Makoto.
If I were using Ryu then I can play the zoning game fine. But if I use Makoto then there's pretty much no safe way to get in unless you make a mistake.
All my hayates are punishable by spd on block. If I ever knock you down, I have to guess whether you're going to spd, uppercut or do nothing on wake up. I can't even do the safe thing I always do against gief, which is jump back HP because ex uppercut gets that. And if you're using U2, it's even worse.
Dive is unsafe on block, but the most I can do is a hayate after it. Sometimes I have the balls to dash up and karakusa but if I mess that up you can be sure the thawk player will be mashing an spd, uppercut or ultra (Dat ultra damage).

With that said, I really don't have much hawk experience. Not many people use him. But in general, those who do, love to mash, at least in my experience. Maybe someone wanna go endless with me with their hawk? Always seems that when I play no one's online. lol

Makoto? Yes it's hard. (><")

1. Dives are not safe, think your forward mk -> hk can hit in range.
2. That leg chop move in air? EX beats up whatever version of condor tomahawk.
3. Poke once in a while with cr HP.

4. Poke strings only work if it's a true block string. Non true block strings will just earn you a typhoon.

Oh, backdash on condor spire. Doesn't matter what version he throws.
The magic range for you is the furthest tip of your cr HP.
He's always extremely vulnerable to crossovers as well. Tomahawk is 45 degree up forward.

1. Lol completely forgot about that move. Doesn't knockdown though but does more damage than hayate. Though I'd prefer the ex hayate for knockdown. Don't know have to experiment. Though with my internet I can only play with a few LYN peeps now.
2. What's condor tomahawk? If it's the uppercut then ex tsurugi isn't exactly the tool for the job, you'd pretty much have to uppercut into it for it to work lol. It has long startup.
Makoto has like one incredibly hard to space crossup with her jMK

Anyway like my major problem is hawk has tons of nasty shenanigans, like condor dive can whiff right in front of me... Man really wanna kick some balls, condor dive whiff > u1
And condor spire, you never know when it's going to hit or not... Though I guess I shouldn't be falling for round start condor spire whiff > spd like all the time.
And sometimes, condor dive crosses up lol ridiculous.

1. Think he's gonna be down if you get him mid air with that.
2. Tomahawk apparently. Not sure on ex tsurugi, but I've been hit out of it cleanly for quite a lot of times.

Backdash when you see him jump?
Condor spire -> you backdash/vertical jump. Mix these two up.

It doesn't combo in midair and the fmk doesn't cause knockdown even in air.
If I jump I think he got time to react with uppercut.
Haha man, really hate this matchup. xD

Bought a cheap arcade stick, Bought SSF4 AE, and now only start training on Juri, LOL

Lol anyone watch CEO?

Rufus is so ridiculous. -___-
Everyone complaining about Yun's divekick in AE and completely ignored Rufus's divekick really?

Hahli,

Actually nobody did. It's just that Yun have 3 divekick without no height limit. So, it's more "smelly". Rufus's divekick is a biiiiiiiiiit more risky xD
Already told you to set time if you want some fights


Temptation/Johnny,

Just send us GFWL msg when you want some fights too.


Lucifer,

Wanna set time for us 2 use thawk against hahli ? xD
I'll just try to copy yours coz my thawk is not that good.


Lurker,

Totally forgotten to reply. Sry.
I start to play for 1 week in rank and then i totally give up.
Too noob to farm too xD

This post has been edited by SemiSweet: Jun 18 2012, 12:37 PM

Hahli, depend on height you jump, frankly at most time he'll whiff the tomahawk.
Yeah watched CEO, 'em americans complain about everything. LoL.

Semi, I'm ok with anything as long as I'm on, (which is rare these days). Two moves to abuse, use HK as a mid range poke, MK as buffer. The rest's the same as Zangief actually, only major difference is shorter grab range and less safe jump in options. Kinda like Gief with WWAYYYYYYYYYYyyyyYyyYy less options to get close.

LMAO. Well, i've seen grandmaster Thawk ( forgot his name liau ><! )
zoning in using ex conder spire. He was playing against Sagat somemore. Yum.

Goes through fireball. Very nice if you've the bar for it.

KojiKOG probably, love the way his play his Thawk, so much finesse.

Haha. I think you are right in both accounts

Still upgrading gen ?

Domo, I still nub la. :S

reaction all rust already, no moar jump jump chunli like last time :S

Experimenting with Rose.

Gen, not so much till I figure out how to buffer charges.

Buffer charges?