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 ►+♠+-LYN Proton Persona Owners Club V.XXX9-+♠+◄, Persona: The Definition of Handling

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Fubar20
post May 23 2012, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ May 23 2012, 02:58 PM)
i stay nearby only..damansara perdana..anytime can yumcha..during lunch also can. hehe. for this week only la..next week im gonna go client site at quil 9 ss14 at the bmw showroom..working hour 2pm to 11pm...weekend la we organise TT.

fc? mine is manual...hard to maintain one.. whistling.gif .. fc quite high..test at night la..car can be powderful.
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shocking.gif Manual pun high FC? Ini mesti tak tau guna kete ni. whistling.gif
QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 02:59 PM)
har will void kah..shiat doh.gif

haven't change. complained during first service but they say no sound when they test. sc in ipoh
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sweat.gif That one dunno void unless you send to SC first. Why delay so long?

QUOTE(muslayer @ May 23 2012, 03:03 PM)
Stick will be easy only. but must clean the contact place before stick lo


Added on May 23, 2012, 3:03 pm
Stick will be easy only. but must clean the contact place before stick lo
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biggrin.gif Which type you gonna buy? Maybe can bulk leh.
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post May 23 2012, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:17 PM)
shocking.gif Manual pun high FC? Ini mesti tak tau guna kete ni.  whistling.gif

sweat.gif That one dunno void unless you send to SC first. Why delay so long?
biggrin.gif Which type you gonna buy? Maybe can bulk leh.
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manual la fc high..auto lower..my car cannot rev slow2..all high one..you know la..diff ratio..etc..etc..change gear at 4k..etc..etc...
if wanna cut other car, lower gear, rev till redline..haha.
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post May 23 2012, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:17 PM)
shocking.gif Manual pun high FC? Ini mesti tak tau guna kete ni.  whistling.gif

sweat.gif That one dunno void unless you send to SC first. Why delay so long?
biggrin.gif Which type you gonna buy? Maybe can bulk leh.
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work..wat else haha
sumore last weekend went back hometown..to and fro oso gone 400km laugh.gif
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post May 23 2012, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ May 23 2012, 03:16 PM)
My door panel all very clean. I polish and wax the door as well tongue.gif

Just in case rain went in and dirt the surface, I can prepare cloth and polish/wax too tongue.gif

How much is the cost for persona?
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shocking.gif Inside door also you wax and polish? Because that will be the place which will stick the seal.

QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ May 23 2012, 03:19 PM)
manual la fc high..auto lower..my car cannot rev slow2..all high one..you know la..diff ratio..etc..etc..change gear at 4k..etc..etc...
if wanna cut other car, lower gear, rev till redline..haha.
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doh.gif High kepala hotak kau! FC high means use a lot of fuel. If u use manual also so high, then you must be one richfag. whistling.gif
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post May 23 2012, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:21 PM)
work..wat else haha
sumore last weekend went back hometown..to and fro oso gone 400km laugh.gif
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haha.i go back one time 1-1.3k..depends..if in kampung go jalan2 can reach 1.5k km..like last 2 week i went back almost 1.3k km.
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post May 23 2012, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:21 PM)
work..wat else haha
sumore last weekend went back hometown..to and fro oso gone 400km laugh.gif
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Everybody also work wat. whistling.gif Nevermind, time to change car lo. brows.gif
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post May 23 2012, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(Cavino @ May 23 2012, 09:37 AM)
Mm...someone calling out for me....I can hear it...

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In layman explanation, the difference between general Grade 3 Fully Syn vs the others is FS is using Hydrocracked mineral component. Hydrocracked oil is refined to a stage that its almost comparable to real FS lube albeit minus several true FS inherent property such as natural higher viscosity index and better contaminant containment. However hydrocracked still have way better viscosity index and other properties than semi and mineral. Actually in general thats semi and mineral has more similarity. If you service at every 5K, it is arguably FS, Semi and Mineral generally perform almost the same. In real life tho, a good FS generally provide better anti-vibration, contaminant containment, smoother acceleration, longer lasting viscosity indexer, etc. In terms of engine protection, in our hot and humid weather, actually all good lubes be it FS, Semi and Mineral protect almost the same. In cold country, FS DO MAKE a big difference during startup protection (critical protection) due to its cold weather protection property (going up to -30 degree protection against lube feezing).

Thats one reason I mention even Mach 5 would not damage engine coz its still a good mineral (not fake or recycled), just performance suffers a bit due to extra engine noise, vibration, etc. If change every 5K, I don't see any reason mineral lube cannot be used. My City has used mineral up to 60-70K mileage and when open up engine, its still sparkling clean and all components looks new and THAT is using the original Honda and Idemitsu MINERAL lube. However as engine gets older, it tends to vibrate more, noiser, etc. FS with its better properties fixed that BUT engine protection still performed the same. The key word here is changing lube and filter EVERY 5K without fail. That is actually MORE important than using whatever lube, FS, mineral...in the capacity of engine protection. Performance is another story tho as mentioned in 1st paragraph.

Concept of FS is thicker or thinner than normal mineral and semi is not accurate tho...FS ability of getting thinner to suit high performance engine temperature is what mislead most ppl that FS is actually thinner. Hydrocracked and true FS do lubricate better and smoother and its viscosity changes from very high temperature range to extremely low temperature is the biggest difference here. Becoz FS has better natural viscosity index, it means when addictives that affect viscosity are worn out, it still are able to perform viscosity changes albeit at a much reduced range better than standard mineral and semi.

As for Semi vs Mineral, its still out there with a lot of arguing that it actually does not makes much difference between the 2. Its is given tho that mineral lube have slightly more contaminant than the rest. So semi is slightly cleaner and FS refined lube is the best on this aspect. However at 5K service interval this not as contaminant thingy is irrelevant. Usually the % of synthetic components of a semi is not given, we really does not know how much synthetic is there, maybe 10% or so. FS generally have higher syn components abt 30% but its the hydrocracked based oil that makes the biggest different, soley my opinion only coz we also don't know how much % of syn is there. Lube company keeps MUM...very secretive on that.

So generally I stick either with a very good proven mineral or go straight for FS. Semi IMO, is overated. I maintained semi currently becoz Proton uses it for my free service and parts up to 20K mileage. Probably will retain semi usage due to continuation but will change to either idemitsu or havoline semi next time. FS is too expensive for my 3 months engine lube change.

Oh....true FS like the Amsoil do have the best natural properties but most likely only effective for high performance engine where its properties truly shine. For ours, normal Grade 3+ FS might perform better.

ps. New Havoline with deposit shield just released, saw in Paul Tan site....ha....most prob will try its semi for my 25K change...next week going for 20K last foc service and parts....cialat have to pay over RM150 for extra gear oil changes since it is the only part not included in my FOC thingy.
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Thank you, oil man for the detail explanation thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(raimy_m9 @ May 23 2012, 03:24 PM)
haha.i go back one time 1-1.3k..depends..if in kampung go jalan2 can reach 1.5k km..like last 2 week i went back almost 1.3k km.
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jauhnye kampung sweat.gif

QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:25 PM)
Everybody also work wat.  whistling.gif Nevermind, time to change car lo.  brows.gif
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haha tat's y wanna take leave and go service car
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post May 23 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:33 PM)
jauhnye kampung sweat.gif
haha tat's y wanna take leave and go service car
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That one kampung at Kelate but I think he swim over from ThaiCock. whistling.gif
Take leave to service car before due mah, not after over the service interval.
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post May 23 2012, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:33 PM)
jauhnye kampung sweat.gif
haha tat's y wanna take leave and go service car
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You're going to CoSE for service, Ziggy? Mine just reached 830km. Maybe can tag you along biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:23 PM)
shocking.gif Inside door also you wax and polish? Because that will be the place which will stick the seal.
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Yes I do. After waxing, those water drop stain will be easier to remove.
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post May 23 2012, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:36 PM)
That one kampung at Kelate but I think he swim over from ThaiCock.  whistling.gif
Take leave to service car before due mah, not after over the service interval.
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previously no time.. sweat.gif bz until sat n sun oso working
now a lot of task done..so shud b can take a day off

QUOTE(kennywee92 @ May 23 2012, 03:38 PM)
You're going to CoSE for service, Ziggy? Mine just reached 830km. Maybe can tag you along  biggrin.gif
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yea..jom jom
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post May 23 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:33 PM)
jauhnye kampung sweat.gif
haha tat's y wanna take leave and go service car
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haha kelantan mari la.

QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 03:36 PM)
That one kampung at Kelate but I think he swim over from ThaiCock.  whistling.gif
Take leave to service car before due mah, not after over the service interval.
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wei..im not thai....kelantan mari wor..haha..but not born in kelantan. in perlis. my parent both from kelantan.
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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 03:56 PM)
previously no time.. sweat.gif bz until sat n sun oso working
now a lot of task done..so shud b can take a day off
yea..jom jom
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Just checked my traveled distance. 827km. I will be going next week I guess? Sorry, man doh.gif
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post May 23 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(mengsuan @ May 23 2012, 12:13 PM)
I'm thinking to use this lube next round. But no API Standard specification? What I can see is very low sulphated ash content. http://www.mymesra.com.my/?ch=mm_2011&pg=p...pl=2011_article
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I also want to install but scared later the door very hard to close
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QUOTE(kennywee92 @ May 23 2012, 04:55 PM)
Just checked my traveled distance. 827km. I will be going next week I guess? Sorry, man doh.gif
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no problem..small matter
if fri sucessfully change EO, then sat maybe EA..
time for LCP + AF + SP brows.gif
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QUOTE(ziggy87 @ May 23 2012, 05:15 PM)
no problem..small matter
if fri sucessfully change EO, then sat maybe EA..
time for LCP + AF + SP brows.gif
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Change EO also can fail wan ka? whistling.gif
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post May 23 2012, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(MovingMachine @ May 23 2012, 05:15 PM)
I also want to install but scared later the door very hard to close
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Easy to take off one mah. Or can bang in more times like siham. ph34r.gif

QUOTE(xandras @ May 23 2012, 05:17 PM)
Change EO also can fail wan ka? whistling.gif
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laugh.gif If he give fake oil to SC. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ May 23 2012, 05:28 PM)
Easy to take off one mah. Or can bang in more times like siham. ph34r.gif
laugh.gif If he give fake oil to SC.  sweat.gif
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Haha if slam later inside the door rattle just like the first day I got my car, the power window bracket rattling
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Oh mai~ just saw a hot & pretty CKT driving a black B line PE with 16 inch rims.. Now who said ckt don't drive PEs? wub.gif wub.gif drool.gif

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