ehh the word 'professional' and 'freelance' are not something that contradicts.

we have a pinned thread on this PROFESSIONAL part and how many people have distorted ideas on what is professional.

PROFESSIONAL means you're doing it as a PROFESSION. Very simple. Whether you full-time or part time, operating under someone's company on a monthly payroll or making ends meet on your own - you're a professional as long as you're doing it as a profession.

In fact if you're doing it part-time (eg weekend photographer), I believe the term is SEMI-PROFESSIONAL.

Some use the term Amateur, a term that's more often than not, equated with low skill level but it's totally untrue because there are plenty of amateurs out there with very good skills.

My relatives mostly rich. If serve cheap and bad food, no face one...The only bad thing is always the same food from the same hotel

hehe. get to eat already still complain ah?

I don't like to bring camera to wedding events. leceh, not like there's any nice thing to shoot anyway. go and enjoy the company and the food.

Noted. Learn something new everyday. Btw, talking about sour grape, I once encounter a guest of the wed couple, an uncle carrying Olympus e3 to the reception, so he kept boasting e3's indestructible body (exaggeration on my part, but you get it?) and not sure if he's genuinely curious or being sarcastic to the hired photographer of that day who's using Nikon d90, keep pestering him why didn't he upgrade to better body for his job la, there no proper whether seal in Nikon d90...

Showoff or sour grape, happens to everyone...

I know so many press photographer who is attached to certain newspaper/magazine at the same time working as freelance also leh. How? Aren't them overlapping?

This post has been edited by Vincent Pang: Apr 23 2012, 03:56 PM

haha, when I help my frien shoot wedding pic, I found myself hardly to sit on my place, just run here run ther.
end up next time my frien ask me shot pic, i told them: dunwan lel, i want sit down and eat la....

they're still professional photographers la.

Actually if one day I married, I will ban photographer on wedding dinner. Busy whole day sure starving le. Still want busy take what photo also dunno. Already take photo whole day from pre-wedding to end of wedding, it's time to enjoy a good meal with everyone. My elder sister kesian pay so much for dinner but no time eat cuz busy take photo here and there oso

ban wedding dinner better, kekekekek

it's their job . they doing it to get money. so you also pity waiter at restaurants can't eat food? @@

Chinese restaurant dunno eat how many round only change plate. The table clothes full of bones and food leftover. The view is very spectacular but I dun want to remember those moments.

How you know waiter no eat food?

lol...
nothing wrong with carrying your DSLR everywhere hanging around your neck... it is just one of my interpretation towards the flood of DSLR nowadays...
And yes, the one behind the lens is important... and normally, it is fairly easy to know whether the one who is carrying the DSLR is good or not... haha...
but seriously, it's a wedding shot... once in a lifetime... (unless u plan to have another one) so its worth doing some research and spending the bucks on for the moment that you will cherish for the rest of your life...
we even do survey before we buy something and also will buy from reputable seller even though sometime they are not the cheapest la... same thing here...

Seriously, how do you tell?

can one... see how they hold the camera and lens sometime can see one (just sometimes)... see how they handle the gears & etc...

then easiest part is see whether they got busy changing setting or not... most of the time just saw people take out camera straight away can fire one... in any occasion... which i think is unlikely unless... u are shooting auto...

anyway, i think i should stop diverting from the main topic

Maybe give the poor guy a chance, a Retake of the wedding , he might do a better job this time...hehe

I streamlined my photo taking process to adjust as little as possible during shooting to make use of the "moment" I have, it would seem I'm shooting on auto, and I don't preview photos after every shot (after all these years spent on shooting film I'm not as paranoid anymore), or i check my shots after every shoot because of the complex lighting, so does that tell you I'm a noob just got his hands on camera?


"retake" of the wedding? Haha, that's a good one...

wut? wedding again? so that poor guy pay all the dinner expense a? and also expect everyone that attend that day to attend again a? or??

if you are talking about shooting in the same light condition (ie example the wedding ceremony or others) of course there isn't much changes of setting need to be done other than focus and composing the picture, unless you are focusing on some object that reflect harsh light or too dark which may give you underexpose later. this doesn't mean to be a noob. this is the professional way to speed up the shooting process for an event.

The photographer doesn't deserve to be called a photographer to begin with.

Anyway, for me, I often will just reach the venue earlier to observe the lighting condition and take a few test shots to plan the settings ahead.

Wedding is once in a lifetime event.
Must get professionals and experts to do it.

Some of my customer likes to inquiry or survey for the cheapest photographer in town.
I will answer them back as a joke, "if you want cheap cheap, I quote you RM400, I take photo for you, you want?"

I also have my own DSLR, but I dare not to become their wedding photographer despite I meet many wedding couples everyday.