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post May 13 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 13 2012, 09:40 AM)
Press it very lightly until it spills out a bit and stop. Small amount of spillage will flow into the tiny hole.
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That's not what he meant, he said already full. He press sumore to ensure its ALREADY full. But he still finds the indicator short 1 bar.

QUOTE(eidda @ May 13 2012, 09:15 AM)
i got problem..

when i go to fuel pump, fuel full until click sound hose, then i force press few second to full again..but display for fuel shown not full bar, the one top bar still shown empty.

i notice this one happen so many time, so hard to get top bar. please help me guy..
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Due to the float not floating to the max. If you remember during high school science lab experiment, teacher instruct us to fill in the tabung uji with water whilst a same diameter pingpong stuck inside. As water level raise, the pingpong also raise. Now your pingpong inside your fuel tank stuck at the 5th bar instead of going all the way up rolleyes.gif Send back to SC see whether they wanna help lo. Gotta suck out all the fuel, take out fuel pump, unhook the entire thing from the chassis, then take out the float and find out how it got stuck.

I'm having this problem of last bar often doesn't show, but didn't pay attention to it much la. As long as I know everytime when I fill in petrol when fuel warning indicator blinks, I'll fill up between 50~60, then I'm sure I'm pretty safe as long as my mileage doesn't go above 350km/tank of petrol.
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post May 13 2012, 02:17 PM

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Strut bar thing:

Just thought u guys might be interested to knw, strut bar isn't meant for LIFE SAVING intentionally, but to reduce chassis bent during hard corner that provide precise cornering that saves life(when 1 pushing the limits).

I've seen many cases of accident car with strut bar that DOES NOT go total loss. Normaly front impact, if your engine & chassis affected area reaches the strut tower, there is a very good chance your face already punch through the steering wheel(or the other way round). With/without the strut bar, your car(most probably both driver & vehicle) will declare total loss jor.

For side impact, normally impact point is right at the centre of the wheel. Strong force pushes lower arm, absorber in, at the same time absorber tower will compress towards engine direction. WITHOUT strut bar, damages are mostly limited to impact site. WITH good quality 2 POINT strut bar, impact for will be transfered to the other side of the strut. Normally it bent the otherside of the strut tower, and if the impact site is repairable, the otherside should have no problem to pull back to the original shape. For a cheaplug 2 POINT strut, impact force transfered to the bar, the useless bar bent and punch on the bonet/firewall/engine,pick your lucky number.

More than 2 point strut bar generally have better tensile strength, not easy to break/bend. Most 3 point strut connect both strut tower, in the middle triangular connect to the firewall. During heavy side impact, normally the 1st affected area will be tearing the firewall a big hole before the force transfer to the otherside of strut.

This serve to inform you, if your car meant to be total loss, be it with/without the strut bar, total loss is unavoidable. My auntie's BiBA has a strut bar, her Gancil has a strut bar for the past 16 years also.
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post May 13 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 13 2012, 02:57 PM)
How about this one, the inspira i was talking about  laugh.gif 12k can fix?
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According to my experience, the above car should declare total loss already. Regardless of how it repair, the structural integrity has definitely affected, and the NEXT accident is going to be nasty.

I'm not allowed to say anything about "K" company because my "A" company is merging with them NOW. However, your friend should report this to PIAM, at the same time file a record with Bank Negara Malaysia. Before anything, please go and inform PKR(or MCA if you trust them) regarding your report, so it wont go missing. Good luck to your friend, and he/she should never accept this offer by any chance if the above photo indeed insured by "K" company and IF the 12k thing is real.
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post May 13 2012, 09:33 PM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 13 2012, 08:57 PM)
Lap 35/66 now!
F1 fever in Catalunya Circuit is ON!!
Maldonado is leading....a First?
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Added on May 13, 2012, 8:59 pmUpdate: Lap 37/66 now!!! Me slow la in posting....brows.gif


Added on May 13, 2012, 9:26 pmUPDATE #2: Maldonado still leading @55/66...Alonso trying hard to overtake!!!
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Entire F1 chassis structure is lightweight carbon fibre bars laugh.gif total loss laugh.gif
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post May 13 2012, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ May 13 2012, 09:33 PM)
Happen in JB Eastern Dispersal Link.
I always took that road, newly built and straight... sweat.gif

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It looks like already jammed brake, wheel spun and hit the concrete wall atleast 50mph(judging by the roof). Anybody measured the tyre marks?

肇禍汽車事發時疑高速行駛,失控撞擊汽車天橋石柱後
It says "high speed cruising, lose control and hit the concrete pillar"
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post May 14 2012, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 12:02 AM)
Uncle David, Malaysia pakai metric sistem since long long time ago  laugh.gif
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doh.gif 50mph around 80kmh la sweat.gif
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post May 14 2012, 08:34 AM

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Have been using ISWAGA for few days straight, few things happened when I got back my BLM:

1) Went start the car, then arrange my boot. Got back inside, forgot ady started, turn ignition again laugh.gif "keek!" Sounded like iron scrubbibg tongue.gif off the engine, purposely start again. I purposely kick twice, the 2nd kick nothing happen. So, the detection of starter only limited to the ball bearing starter itself, not from the fly wheel. Summary is, the starter has protection mechanism, will not kick again whilst starter still turning.

2)BLM kosong spec doesn't have seat belt warning? Or mine sudah koyak?

3) Standard exhaust tip located INSIDE bumper, that's why the whole bumber is resonating like a subwoofer box while driving. Next project is to extend the tip out to align with the body length.

4) Stiffness after adding spring buffer causing speedy bush wear off, partly contributed by oversized 15" wheels. Baru 3 weeks pakai, now foot work already start making noise.
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post May 14 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(zeone @ May 14 2012, 08:44 AM)
1) Good info. Tks, Bro! No fear now, rite?
Mayb juz a bit less...?

2) Nope. Rber reading 1 post say cable/connector is there...under driver's seat. Mayb can get sensor switch 2put in2 seatbelt buckle? rolleyes.gif

3) can get those bolted-on chromed curved extension tail-pipes...hmm.gif

4) Feel more due2 heavier wheels...my ride also got spring buffers for mths oledi & so far so good...touch wood! thumbup.gif
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1) Starter bearing detection only not enough, if flywheel detection is good. However, the fear of engine die off WHILST DRIVING! You lose power steering, hydraulic brakes, cruising speed all together! So, if Plotong is wise enough, should have put a relay to cut off starter switch whilst alternator is charging.

2) So, meaning kosong spec doesn't have seat belt indicator la.

3) Bolt on? ph34r.gif Hodohnyer... Was planning to get a HKS Super Drager/Fireball to hook up AFTER muffler brows.gif

4) How often do u drive? blink.gif I'm 5000km up since 20/3 ph34r.gif

That is not all, having new+old Gaga at the same time will develope skidsomania! When I turn right trying to get out of my house, see the FLX next to me start laughing muted in her car bcoz my wiper activated doh.gif malunyerr
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post May 14 2012, 11:54 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:13 AM)
No idea we had this feature in the CVT. Not sure what purpose it serves, though  blink.gif
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The purpose is to protect the transmission unit, mainly clutch bearing. However, the answer is NOT the entire truth regarding the rear wheel sensor of standing still. The tranny itself should sense of torque distribution between the slipped differential. If u jackup 1 wheel and step on the gas pedal, slipped differential to distribute more on the free wheel to keep the car on the ground.some performance vehicle will limit the wheel spin freely to avoid lose control(most Hondie iVTAC don't allow free wheel spin,not sure about Gaga's CVT though). To simplify this, when u get out from parellel parking, you turn your steering to max right, your right wheel will have less torque, whilst your slipped differential allow more torque slip to the left wheel, then u may get out from the parking easily. Now, imagine if u have an LSD on your ride, think you'll take 1/2hour to park your car laugh.gif

QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:51 AM)
Why everytime you do something malu with your car, sure got chick around wan? Kemaluan awak amatlah besar
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Those are the moment more memorable tongue.gif Normally guy laugh I won't give a damn & quickly forget. Those who sit in my passenger seat normally recon I shift very lansily, drive car like very "yeng" that type. Last month whilst my colleague in my car, she was praising me driving style very "yeng", baru I felt damn proud, misplaced 3rd gear to neutral, then RPM goes up "VROOM" tongue.gif

Also, another 1 last week cruising slowly around office,seeking for parking. My hawt chick colleague is walking towards her NEO, I purposely rev up my S4PE to drag her attention so I can park when she get out. "VROOM!" She was looking shocked & pointing at my car. I was damn proud & start waiving my hand, then I hit the brake as I reach her. Than I wash my windscreen with kopi ais tongue.gif left my coffee on the roof baru tapau... doh.gif

Many other sohigh stories with my other cars as well laugh.gif
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post May 14 2012, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 01:53 PM)
Kenot brain, why the front wheels wont spin when jacked up has to do with the differential? PM me pls  tongue.gif

BTW, if it makes you feel better, the Persona from H-line to B-line sume tader seatbelt warning light  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif (actually they have the indicator, but it will not light up wan)....only works for export version.
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http://www.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm

Sendiri copy & paste lar,can't use the hotlink from phone. The only thing we can suspect is the DbW. No load on wheel, cut down air/fuel supply. Reason for not spinning the wheel too fast when no load.

My 1st experience driving ISWAGA on Panglima Garang towards Klang before KESAS. Wasn't familiar with the road condition, accidently jumped my car on the bridge. The landing is horrible, where the wheels has been rev up to higher speed than the actual traveling(air speed), had a serious DRIFT after landed shakehead.gif

Also another point(just thinking out loud), if CVT can do free spin, by the time you're 5th gear at 7200rpm, the wheel speed prolly 200kmh jor shakehead.gif the innersia can push your car all the way down and launch like a rocket ady laugh.gif

May be that's why they limit the torque/rpm when wheels are not on load.
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post May 14 2012, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(daus89 @ May 14 2012, 02:36 PM)
I dono if thiis is the correct place to ask...but i really pening  rclxub.gif
Planning to buy a new saga,but currently i already got a kancil 660,sambung bayar from my mak cik,which i need to pay rm300 monthly for anothe 3 years(9years loan)..but the kancil already reach 200k mileage,and it is a problematic kancil i would say(petrol like my mom 1.5 wira,engine shaking badly when i on the aircond,sound 'krek,krek' when cornering,etc), need to forkout about 1k++ to fix all these..i already decide,like 50/50,just get a new saga,pay about rm500 monthly,or just fix the kancil,and continue pay rm300 monthly,without knowing what else will come using this old kancil (badly maintained by mak cik,the radiator used to kong once before)..any suggestion from sifus here  rclxub.gif

P/s : im in wrong thread isnt it?? hmm.gif  biggrin.gif
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3 year=36months X RM300
Full settlement=RM10800 shocking.gif
Assume your Gancil is 2004, Plotong SA offer you RM7000, you still have to pay RM3800 to settle the damn car shakehead.gif

Still got money to buy GaGa boh? Better do your own calculation first. Ask us also no use geh blink.gif
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post May 14 2012, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(daus89 @ May 14 2012, 03:11 PM)
What if i share2 with my sister to fix the kancil,and give the kancil to her,she only use the kancl for short distance,meanwhile i need something that can travel to a long distance without,or atleast with lower chances to get an 'heart attack'??
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Agreed with V12k & r3apers, its not entirely a bad idea,provided if your sister is going to pay the instalment/expanses/maintenance/roadtax/insurance for the Gancil. Meaning that IF your sister sambung bayar, then u have a better chance to get a new GaGa. Otherwise, you'll be paying 800+/month,double the maintenance+petrol.
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QUOTE(daus89 @ May 14 2012, 04:55 PM)
tq all  biggrin.gif  rclxms.gif
still convincing her to sambung bayar the car
btw is flx exec 1.3 manual is a good choice?i luve manual..i heard 1.6 manual version coming soon rite??
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As a BLM manual owner, all time performance enthusiast, GaGa CVT will be the 1st auto car recommended by me. I've tried several 1.3 CVT & several FLX SE CVT. Frankly, the torque you felt in a CVT has nothing much less than any manual car, infact the CVT clutching better than much manual driver. Often you hear pakcik at the traffic light pickup with a long haul of RPM and drag 3-4seconds of semi clutching before the car move, also normal 4AT car will have this kind of problem, which CVT DOESN'T have at all!

For a few thousand ringgit different, you get to enjoy fuel save like a manual,fast like a manual,best of it no need to clutch at traffic jam anymore! icon_idea.gif CVT FLX is the choice. Don't say I poison you, go find manual & CVT test drive to feel it. Anyway, for me 1.6 doesn't perform much better than the 1.3. So far the best 1.3CVT I sit is V12k's ride.
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post May 15 2012, 01:28 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 14 2012, 10:09 PM)
I got 12sen/km or 15.5km/l  rclxm9.gif 70% city driving.
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Tibai! I've done so much to my GaGa BLM to achieve 11km/l, around 18c/km still vmad.gif f*cking jealous la unsure.gif


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QUOTE(lhwj @ May 15 2012, 12:08 AM)
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Fuelly says it's 546 km, on 34.46 litres giving 15.8 km/L or 6.3 L/100 km
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wadafuq.... shakehead.gif seriously thinking to sell off my BLM and get a blardy CVT FLX now mad.gif

Waidaminute hmm.gif fuelly show your car as BLM 2010, how cum dash board different geh? blink.gif BLM SE different dashboard ka? blink.gif So pretty

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post May 15 2012, 11:27 AM

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This morning woke up late, left ISWAGA key on the table. Off I drove it, while stuck in Segambut, suddenly hear rattling sound came from engine bay. I was worrying & moving slowly since traffic jam. When I reach Jalan Ipoh, I stop by my supplier and check... Found the engine oil cap melted, the metal screw & the lock fall on the rocker sad.gif The birds are injured,but still can use.however,I'm advised to drain the whole system to prevent debree continue hurting other component, best is overhaul since going to take out everything sad.gif

Regarding vacuum gauge, I heard electonic gauge only 60+(source from kenjilew), reading in BAR. The 1 I mentioned is analog dial gauge, reading in INCH/CM. Price is RM85(may negotiate lower for bulk order). Besides, heard the reading is inaccurate on FLX, I haven't get a chance to test vacuum on an FLX yet. Please also survey your local accessories shop. I may get the BM horn cheap, but who knows you get the vacuum gauge cheap? icon_idea.gif
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post May 15 2012, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 11:39 AM)

Spent alot of money on your Iswara lately? not so long ago change abs and tires also right?
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Its not that I want to spend sad.gif For the tyres & absorbers with mounting & bushing are all wear & tear stuff, ibeen using this set of abs & bushing for the past 6 years. RM886 is a small price to pay proided the car just clocked 400000km.

Current issue is, the melted engine oil cap has a steel locking head, and that part with the screw falen into the rocker cover. As a result some of the birds(valve lifter) being injured. According to my vacuum meter, my cam still lifting these 12 birds pretty well, valve still shut as they should. Only worry is whethere there are debree stuck inside. In the long run, the iron dust will start grindding my valve seat/piston/block etc etc sad.gif labor cost is 1 full work day to dismentle the entire engine,wash it with diesel & put them back together again for RM350. That's why my mech recommend me to top up another 300 bucks to overhaul at the same time, include new piston ring/port polish/valve seat cut/new gaskets. Another 200 for the whole timing belt + fan belts set.

So, I've decided NOT to spend anymore, told my mech I'll start praying. If the engine did die within the next year, all I can do is opt for an engine swap. 4G13P engine kosong only RM800 sad.gif

FYI, the engine oil cap only cost RM8, and when it melt, it does cause damn a lot of trouble! S4P engine very hot rite brows.gif Pls go & check your engine oil xover NOW, before its too late.
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QUOTE(dares @ May 15 2012, 05:40 PM)
You look so gentle in person  hmm.gif
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You have my personal assurance all he told is the truth! Below are some of our previous TT highlights from Mr.H, the soft spoken version of V12k!

On the way out visit the ride
D: " mai kita pi tengok keta..."
H: "Oh! Yang VIOS puteh tu kau punya?"
D: " sweat.gif wadafuq"

Testing Mr.H ride,waiting red light infront of Giant
D: " wah! Ur car very nice soundproof wor"
H: " tak jugak, klu rev sket mmg boley dengar...macam skarang"
Green light, wheel spin a bit, hit 100kmh in about 10seconds ph34r.gif ph34r.gif

Dave is scared holding the door & seat
D: "boley tahan jugak CVT punye power"
Pretend very calm & lansi
H: "I think, masa SAT punya backpush lagi power sket"
D: " blink.gif apo tu SAT? blink.gif "
H: " itu emulation 6AT, ada shift up punya rasa...macam ini"
SAT mode, my back was stick on the seat, palm is sweating, couldn't take my eyes off reading the speedometer climbing up from 60 to 140 in very short distance

Ladies, don't wrongly f*ck with the innocent dude! ph34r.gif ph34r.gif
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QUOTE(AMenzZ @ May 15 2012, 11:23 PM)
Freak accident! Ferrari VS Taxi
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QUOTE(lhwj @ May 15 2012, 10:50 AM)
Btw your vacuum gauge posts got me interested in one. It's so fascinating how much info you can pull out from a single meter.

I shift up at 2,000 RPM in city traffic. That works very well for me. David I remember you said earlier that your mileage is only around 19,000 km, if I'm not mistaken. Mine is past 38k now, almost time for service. If you look at my Fuelly graph you'll see that my average consumption per month is dropping as time goes by. I remember about a year ago I was struggling to touch 400 km on one tank, and I was so happy when I finally did. Even then that was with super light foot driving, using very long detours to avoid jams, switching engine off at traffic lights, etc. Then I gradually kept hitting 400 km more and more often until nowadays it's virtually guaranteed. Now I can touch 500+ km if I drive carefully on the highway. 

My theory is, your engine is still being run in, even well past 10,000 km. But then again that doesn't explain how some people who got their car this year can start off so well rclxub.gif

Also, I'm using relatively heavy oil, 15w50. Every time I ask for lighter oil the service advisor say takde doh.gif Cold tyre pressure, front 33 PSI, rear 31 PSI.
Hmmmmm yeah that was pushing it a bit too far. Though I remember reading somewhere that someone with a BLM ran out of petrol and when he tried to pump full tank it could only take 36 L. So maybe, 1.5 L from empty lah. I've never ran out of petrol before, and I don't think I wanna experience it tongue.gif
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Absofreakinlutely no idea how those car behive that way. Driving style holds the 50% of the causes of fuel consumption behavior. Like my father style, he can do 20cent/km on a TOYOGA GRIUS. Funny thing is, regardless its a GRIUS from his friend, my BLM, my previous WIGA1.6, my ISWAGA 1.3, my brother's BiBA 850... he does exactly 20cent/km for all those cars. He's just so comfortable with his 3rd gear at 5krpm, even on high way. My mother once told me, how come your BLM sound geh? Your father's car sounds like a sports car you know "VROOM VROOM!" doh.gif

Read my siggy, both car behave almost the same mileage. Before I had the vacuum stuck on my BLM, I can only do 250km/tank of RM60 fillup. After I put the gague, back to 300+. If translate it to cent/km or km/litre, it looks more or less the same with my ISWAGA blink.gif

I developed to read vacuum since I owned a KE20
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I'm talking about the car, and I'm not that DAVID. My previous magician taught me use that thing to troubleshoot my 30 years old engine.

QUOTE(lhwj @ May 15 2012, 11:57 PM)
David,

Sorry to hear about your problems with the Iswara this morning. Have you got any comments on what I said earlier?
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No worries, am not going to overhaul the damn car anyway. Swap engine is definitely more worthy. Let's hope no debree left inside, so my engine can last for another decade thumbup.gif

QUOTE(lhwj @ May 15 2012, 11:57 PM)
Taxi drivers run hundreds of km every day on NG, do you think they'll do that if it will damage the engine?

From my friend who installed the kit on his Iswara, you lose boot space, plus the car feels a bit more sluggish when running on NG.
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Technically, natural gas will NOT hurt... UNLESS
1) Not enough gas feed in (result in burning lean and causes high heat)
2) Natural gas IS slaggy compare to petrol. The long haul of RPM rewing before the car start moving, that actually contribute to quicker clutch wear off.
3) If you run out of gas, you may switch back to petrol, but your A/F mixture will become TOO RICH, lots of black smoke and car wouldn't move, petrol consumption is 4x prior NGV conversion

My cousin is using the 1st batch BLM + NGV(if you remember the NGV package). His monthly gas expanses is around 100 bucks, with regular outstation travelling, another 100 bucks on petrol. He change engine oil once a month...some weird brand name with the rating of 20w50. And he's kinda enjoy playing with the switch, flicker back and forth. When pickup, switch to petrol, rev the damn thing up to 100kmh then cruise with NGV shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(mieza @ May 16 2012, 09:27 AM)
Ya lorr I do not add, forgot woo.. I'm a bit angry coz they also add air paip into coolant.. Suppose to add coolant / distilled water only.. I've learn my lesson..
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#1: they add soup water to your windshield washer, that's why they charge extra. Soup water give cleaning effect, but spoil rubber/silicone very quickly. To experiment this, grab a piece of rubber, pour soup water on it and dry it. Next few days the soup composite will harden the rubber. Your next service will be changing wiper instead laugh.gif

#2: sundry expanses could be the tap water they added to your radiator, or they use duct tape to shut your oil sum ph34r.gif nothing wrong with tap water as coolant to radiator. The so called coolant in Malaysia are meant for ANTI RUST, not extra cooling effect. If you want extra cooling effect, can order from STP. Those coolant promise -5'C on macimum boiling point, -5'C anti freeze(snowing country). Tried those in my Potong Vila before, it killed the radiator fan relay, thermostat in 2 months time. To hae full effect of these antifreeze coolant, we also need to change to light lift thermostat, early switch on radiator fan(80'C) instead of 90'C.

Therefore, tap water + anti rust should be sufficient jor, since your tangki is not kosong, refill with tap water is a common practice.

Distill water is for wet battery. Distill water no bubble, more stable, pure water, metal free to protect the "electrolysis" process in the wet battery plates.

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