i personally hate the new elantra interior.. waaayyy to many curve. I prefer the minimalist approach of conti car which is the route proton choose..

the car was design and built with more euro DNA then asian. the only asian thing about it is that we make them. thats all... the rest are all euro influence. bosch HU, probably bosch (ESC, ABS, TS, EBD) as well, borg warner turbo, lotus help to built and design the engine, italian design house, left hand signal stalk, german quality control director, and etc etc... the only asian thing in it is that there is malaysian involve as well. that is about as asian as the car get.

i guess msian just got poison for jap car way to long, they just cant accept anything else...

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Added on April 18, 2012, 7:50 ammax stupidity. you quote elantra price with no tax and you quote preve price is with tax smartttt!!

This post has been edited by WhitE LighteR: Apr 18 2012, 07:50 AM

When d time i test d preve,im tried use d drive,from standstill wan to move,i press a bit d pedal,d rpm was rev to 1.5k rpm,but d car din move..seems like havent release d handbrake.but i check again,im confirm oledi release,but d car stil din move..need press hard a bit,then d car juz wil pick up once hit 2k rpm

I see the design of Preve is inoffensive and looks simple, with few lines.

Somehow, it is just like the VW Jetta which has simple dashboard design too.

I don't think it looks ugly.

If someone prefers design with more curves, I think the new Focus does a better job.

nice design but low quality..

Yes I get the same feeling...even my old LMST saga is moving before reach 1.5k rpm...then the SA told me to put in S mode...said that D drive is not cvt??

This post has been edited by tenchi0205: Apr 18 2012, 08:24 AM

i agree with that, car seems slow, expected like 1.6 THP as a benchmark, but could not get something like that, Also the whirling sound from the engine protrudes into the cabin, quite loudly, i was traveling at 140Km/H

only great thing i love, is the stability at high speeds.

Gosh i dont quite like CVT, it is slow, never driven one, but it is slow, slow from start slow at highspeed. i should drive other CVT as well, too much DSG and Powershift,

maybe i got to try Sylphy and Altis first before i could conclude Preve is slow.

same feeling? so its really din move or u feel din move only?

If you look at how VW does their interior, they do it in a minimalist way yet it oozes class in some of the models. Most of the time, the allocation of buttons and indicators are nicely put, unlike preves which seemed more out of place. I hate Vw polo's aircon switch design. It's the simple things that destroy the entire look, whether you like it or not. If people say this is acceptable for a cheap car, then I guess case closed.

This post has been edited by Kalist0: Apr 18 2012, 08:37 AM

gudmorning everyone. Did some questioning on sluggish things to my friends, so, technically, even me pening, but try to lay out as simple as i understand.

Whats so much diff in cfe exora n preve throttle response?
Exora bold throttle is sharpen a bit as to counter its weight. While preve being lighter, throttle in d mode is not as sharper as in exora.
This sluggish feeling associate with dbw n cvt clutch based. If torque converter based cvt, normal auto, its not that apparent, but still have lag.
From stagnant, in d mode, is like throttle input ratio changes from 50:50 to 70:30 before its start to become better. It is due to emmision control n safety reason. Its like this. If throttle given out 100% input, its like driving manual car without dbw throttle, rev up to for example 2k rpm where the turbine already spin, lift of clucth, the car will instant lurk forward n n cause wheel spinning or a bit torque steer which is dangerous coz dbw if in full throttle, is very instance. N to control amount of harmful gas emit immediately, so that can reach euro step.

So, its even from stagnant rev up to 2k, turbo still not spooling yet cause throttle still not 100%, until start moving then gradually the throttle change to max ratio, turbine will spooling.

While in S mode, throttle being sharper about 20% from d mode n also rpm also raised 20% from normal d mode, so, u have better throttle response than d mode during stagnant.

Being tuned to be more linear, he used the word refine, the surge is not as strong as bold cfe, but its actually the same.

If used torque converter based, still has lag but then its better, but during moving, pwrloss is higher than clutch based. Same as dsg. Only from standstill to move only. It just a blink of a second. More common term is call throttle lag.

So, he advised, try to go for a second spin. If want to immitate a normal sedate citu driving, rev up a bit like 2k rpm, when the car is already on the move, then ease off a bit the throttle to avoid 2k rpm to have better fc relying on cvvt.

Even when want to take out for sprint, rev up, still feeling slow when start coz of the above mentioned but when it catch up speed, throttle in full,then its ok, when u rev example 3.5k rpm from stagnant, when moving then continue to pressing pedal to reach 4k rpm.

So, i dunno whether my layman explanation is understandable coz cant explain in tech things coz me oso pening :-).

But coz me so used to all prtns using dbw whether from prtn or renault previously, so, dont have any probs.

Maybe everyone shud take a second spin.

those korean fluid design won't last long. I does look nice the first time..but lama-lama it gets boring. Like the Sonata YF. Now i get bored looking at its interior.

But as for conti cars like BMW, Audi, VW, eventhough quite old model..
like Golf MK5, BMW E36, Audi A4 (B5, B6 model) still look good eventhough quite old models. Because their design is simple yet practical.

Just my 2cents. Design is purely subjective.

its not moving when I press the peddle till >1.5k rpm, then i press more (not sure kena lantai or not) then only move...this is my 1st cvt (auto car also)...

manual gear 1st gear if u put too much on the peddle, its will give u the feel glue to the chair...

in S mode, the car will change the gear for u if u not rev too much rpm n didn't shift gear

I drove my fren's WV Golf, little press on the peddle its move, more press on it, its become a wild horse...

If i not mistaken,all speedometer made by continental.

Correct.

VDO/Continental.

Its din move until i press more..if 1.5k rpm,d speed stil is zero.

wah...

gudmorning everyone. Did some questioning on sluggish things to my friends, so, technically, even me pening, but try to lay out as simple as i understand.

Whats so much diff in cfe exora n preve throttle response?
Exora bold throttle is sharpen a bit as to counter its weight. While preve being lighter, throttle in d mode is not as sharper as in exora.
This sluggish feeling associate with dbw n cvt clutch based. If torque converter based cvt, normal auto, its not that apparent, but still have lag.
From stagnant, in d mode, is like throttle input ratio changes from 50:50 to 70:30 before its start to become better. It is due to emmision control n safety reason. Its like this. If throttle given out 100% input, its like driving manual car without dbw throttle, rev up to for example 2k rpm where the turbine already spin, lift of clucth, the car will instant lurk forward n n cause wheel spinning or a bit torque steer which is dangerous coz dbw if in full throttle, is very instance. N to control amount of harmful gas emit immediately, so that can reach euro step.

So, its even from stagnant rev up to 2k, turbo still not spooling yet cause throttle still not 100%, until start moving then gradually the throttle change to max ratio, turbine will spooling.

While in S mode, throttle being sharper about 20% from d mode n also rpm also raised 20% from normal d mode, so, u have better throttle response than d mode during stagnant.

Being tuned to be more linear, he used the word refine, the surge is not as strong as bold cfe, but its actually the same.

If used torque converter based, still has lag but then its better, but during moving, pwrloss is higher than clutch based. Same as dsg. Only from standstill to move only. It just a blink of a second. More common term is call throttle lag.

So, he advised, try to go for a second spin. If want to immitate a normal sedate citu driving, rev up a bit like 2k rpm, when the car is already on the move, then ease off a bit the throttle to avoid 2k rpm to have better fc relying on cvvt.

Even when want to take out for sprint, rev up, still feeling slow when start coz of the above mentioned but when it catch up speed, throttle in full,then its ok, when u rev example 3.5k rpm from stagnant, when moving then continue to pressing pedal to reach 4k rpm.

So, i dunno whether my layman explanation is understandable coz cant explain in tech things coz me oso pening :-).

But coz me so used to all prtns using dbw whether from prtn or renault previously, so, dont have any probs.

Maybe everyone shud take a second spin.

get that sluggish feel from stagnant also during my test drive. this is my first CVT and din try VW or any turbocharged before so I cant do comparison.
good explanation by mat79 but cant brain half of wat he said.
btw i also test drove Elantra MD 1.6HS and the sluggishness is just slightly better than Preve. for me it does not justify paying 24k more to own it. in fact, handling during corners is better in Preve IMHO.




so i booked CFE premium white

so mat79, are you saying that need to waste quite some fuel to get the car going in D mode?

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Added on April 18, 2012, 8:51 amya, need to read two times...

This post has been edited by arthur88: Apr 18 2012, 08:51 AM

Possible to tune Preve CVT plus driving experience to be same as Exora ?

btw, anyone got preve in silver and brown?