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post Apr 17 2012, 01:56 PM, updated 14y ago

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~The Home Of Liverpool Supporters~


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Liverpool Football Club



Founded: 1892

Founded by: John Houlding

Nickname: The Reds

Ground : Anfield

Chairman:
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League Champions -----> 18
1900-01 ; 1905-06 ; 1921-22 ; 1922-23 ; 1946-47 ; 1963-64 ; 1965-66
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1979-80 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83
1983-84 ; 1985-86 ; 1987-88 ; 1989-90

Division Two Winners -----> 4
1893-94 ; 1895-96 ; 1904-05 ; 1961-62

Lancashire League Winners -----> 1
1892-93

Football Association Challenge Cup Winners -----> 7
1964-65 ; 1973-74 ; 1985-86 ; 1988-89 ; 1991-92
2000-01 ; 2005-06

League Cup Winners -----> 8
1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1982-83 ; 1983-84 ; 1994-95
2000-01 ; 2002-03 ; 2011-12

Football Association Charity Shield Winners -----> 15
1964* ; 1965* ; 1966 ; 1974 ; 1976 ; 1977* ; 1979 ; 1980 ; 1982
1986* ; 1988 ; 1989 ; 1990* ; 2001 ; 2006 ( * shared)

European Cup Winners -----> 5
1976-77 ; 1977-78 ; 1980-81 ; 1983-84 ; 2004-05

UEFA Cup Winners -----> 3
1972-73 ; 1975-76 ; 2000-01

European Super Cup Winners -----> 3
1977 ; 2001 ; 2005

Super Cup Winners -----> 1
1985-86

Carlsberg Trophy -----> 3
1997-98 ; 1998-99 ; 1999-2000

Reserves Division One Winners -----> 16
1956-57 ; 1968-69 ; 1969-70 ; 1970-71 ; 1972-73 ; 1973-74 ; 1974-75
1975-76 ; 1976-77 ; 1978-79 ; 1980-81 ; 1981-82 ; 1983-84 ; 1984-85
1989-90 ; 1999-2000

FA Youth Cup Winners -----> 3
1995-96 ; 2005-06 ; 2006-07


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The History


1959 - Shankly appointed manager

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December 1st 1959 is a date that will forever be etched in the annals of Anfield history. For it was on this day that Liverpool Football Club announced Huddersfield Town boss Bill Shankly would be their new manager in succession to Phil Taylor.


On his appointment he released 24 players and began to reshape the team.Promotion to the First Division was achieved in 1961–62, and the club won the League for the first time in 17 years in 1963–64. Another League title followed in 1965–66, after the club had won their first FA Cup the previous season. The club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1972–73 and the FA Cup again a year later; after this, Shankly retired and was replaced by his assistant Bob Paisley.Paisley was even more successful than Shankly and the club won the League and UEFA Cup in 1975–76, his second season as manager. The following season they retained the League title, won the European Cup for the first time, but lost in the FA Cup final, narrowly missing out on a treble. Liverpool retained the European Cup the next season, and the season after won the League again with 68 points—a domestic record, conceding only 16 goals in 42 league matches.During the nine seasons Paisley managed the club, Liverpool won 21 trophies, including three European Cups, a UEFA Cup, six league titles and three consecutive League Cups. The only domestic trophy to elude him was the FA Cup.

Paisley retired in 1983 and (as Shankly had done) handed the reins to his assistant, veteran coach Joe Fagan. The succession of coaches came from the Anfield Boot Room where the Liverpool staff discussed strategy and allegedly stored gin.[10] Liverpool won three trophies in Fagan's first season in charge: the League, League Cup and European Cup, becoming the first English side to win three trophies in a season.Liverpool reached the European Cup final again in 1985. The match was against Juventus at the Heysel Stadium. Before kick-off, disaster struck: Liverpool fans breached a fence which separated the two groups of supporters and charged the Juventus fans. The resulting weight of people caused a retaining wall to collapse, killing 39 fans, mostly Italians. The match was played regardless and Liverpool lost 1–0 to Juventus. English clubs were consequently banned from participating in European competition for five years; Liverpool received a ten-year ban, which was later reduced to six years. Fourteen of their fans received convictions for involuntary manslaughter.
The statue of former manager Bill Shankly, outside Anfield

Fagan resigned after the disaster and Kenny Dalglish was appointed as player-manager.During his reign, the club won another three League Championships and two FA Cups, including a League and Cup "Double" in 1985–86. Liverpool's success was overshadowed by the Hillsborough Disaster: in an FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest on 15 April 1989, hundreds of Liverpool fans were crushed. 94 fans died that day; the 95th victim died in hospital from his injuries four days later, and the 96th died nearly four years later without regaining consciousness. After the Hillsborough tragedy there was a governmental review of stadium safety. Known as the Taylor Report, it paved the way for legislation which required top-division teams to have all-seater stadiums. The report ruled that the main reason for the disaster was overcrowding due to a failure of police control.Dalglish cited the Hillsborough Disaster and its repercussions as the reason for his resignation in 1991. He was replaced by former player Graeme Souness. Apart from winning the FA Cup in 1992, Souness achieved little success and was replaced by a former member of the "Boot Room", Roy Evans. Evans fared little better: a League Cup victory in 1995 was his only trophy. Gérard Houllier was appointed as co-manager in 1998–99, but was left in sole charge after Evans resigned in November 1998.

In his second season in charge Liverpool won a unique treble of the FA Cup, League Cup and UEFA Cup.In the 2001-02 season, during which Houllier underwent major heart surgery, Liverpool finished second behind Arsenal.The following seasons failed to live up to expectations and Houllier was replaced by Rafael Benítez. The club finished fifth in his first season in charge but won the UEFA Champions League by beating Milan 3–2 in a penalty shootout after the match finished 3–3.The following season Liverpool finished third with 82 points—their highest total since 1988. They won the FA Cup as they had the Champions League victory the previous season, by beating West Ham United in penalty shootout after the match finished at 3–3. In 2006–07, the club's search for investment came to an end when American businessmen George Gillett and Tom Hicks became the owners of Liverpool in a deal which valued the club and its outstanding debts at £218.9 million. That season, the club reached another Champions League final, but this time lost 2–1 to Milan
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post Apr 17 2012, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(nando @ Apr 17 2012, 11:19 AM)
I am not as gung-ho.  It will be a miracle if we are suddenly fighting for the title week in and week out next season.  The last time we challenged, it was a superb team with world class players.  No one knew how to deal with Torres and Gerrard.  We had Alonso, who is now the lynchpin of RM's assault of trophies.  Then there is Monster Masch....recently an article describe him as a player that Pep rates very highly, due to his ability to switch to defense without any problems....
Carragher was reliable and not to mention Sami could still do the job when needed.

almost all these players are gone now.  IT takes a lot to replace them and challenge for the title again.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 17 2012, 11:20 AM)
Targetting the league next year will in my opinion, be unrealistic. With 4 games to go, we are a massive 36 points away from the summit. The 13 point gap to 4th however is surmountable but we will face strong opposition from Newcastle, Spurs, Man City, Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea, all of whom will strengthen during the break, especially the first two who have reached soaring heights and can expect a windfall for finishing further up the table than expected. In comparison, we are rumoured to be given a mere $30 million pound warchest, $5 million less than what Andy Carroll cost by himself.

The focus from what I've been reading is to groom players from the academy. It will be some time before we can realistically challenge for the title. You don't close the gap from almost 40 points to nothing in a season without massive cash injection. It simply is not going to happen for us next season.
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QUOTE(pingpang @ Apr 17 2012, 11:35 AM)
Agreed.
But I hope Reds dare to dream; that is why I put it that way.
If KD were to "blood" the academy players, it will be 2-3 years befoer Reds can see the fruits of their hard work.
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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 17 2012, 12:23 PM)
Trust me,there will still be people like that after this summer window.
Next season is all about getting things right in the league.
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Apr 17 2012, 01:27 PM)
Every squad that was built when we could almost keep pace but finished either 2 or 3 had a good first 11 but a so-so back up.

No team has been able to sustain a strong challenge long enough without a squad with depth.

It would be nice to do a double this year (Some may call it a minor success) but we still fall below the target of nicking or at least in contention for a CL spot. Ultimately we hope to improve. I don't think many fans are expecting us to challenge the league next year, hopefully some key reinforcement can be added. Even promoting the lfc youths or exposing them to he first 11 would change much. We are severely weak overall squad wise. No excuses.
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new thread ! i think the realistic goal next season, is definitely champs league. n possibly do well in europa league and one of the cups. hate it that if we are in europa league, it means most matches are to be played on sunday. meaning sunday night over here.

on the fa cup final, i think we should not get ahead of ourselves even though we have a pretty good record against the blues in recent times. they are getting in tune under roberto di matteo. the good thing though is they have champs league semis and top 4 to distract them whereas for us, its just the league where pride is on the line..

was happy to see carroll on the first 11 against everton after his performance against blackburn. although he could've done better, 2 goals in 2 games. thats a start ! looking forward to a more consistent performance from our record signing.

feel for carra although i went bonkers in the way we conceded. the misunderstanding btw him n agger. i really think he's past his peak. all he can contribute now is only experience n wise words for young lads like coates n wilson. looking fwd to see-ing him in a coaching capacity. to be honest, i tot starting agger on the left was a huge mistake.. when i saw the starting lineup, i had my worries over carra n agger on the left. although enrique form has dip n he hasnt exactly contributed much, he shud've started with agger in cb purely because starting a cb on lb in a game of such magnitude is a gamble. some of u might argue that he did pretty good against blackburn n has played lb a few times for us n is comfortable on the ball, but the positional play is diff n agger tends to drift into the center. hope kk n sc look into that.

as for summer signings are concern, dont keep your hopes too high in the likes of gotze, hazard, m'villa. im sure kenny will get the signings right this time. btw, we missed out on mario gomez prior to signing carroll. i wonder if he would've made the same impact as he is doing now in bayern. plus, rmb the rumours where we offered andy to get tevez ? now tevez is scoring goals for fun giving mancity a glimmer of hope...

downing has been disappointing. far from the player he was last season...
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The problem with switching managers all the time is that success if achieved, is invariably temporary. Both Houllier and Rafa enjoyed moments of success which ultimately ended as dramatically as it had begun. The success of a football club on the pitch should be dependant on the team itself and not it's individual players. Using the mancs as an example, they have managed to continue playing good football despite losing players like Ronaldo, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Schmeichel and so on over the years. The team continues to do will even with fringe players in their side. Honestly, how do the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Johnny Evans and Rafael stack up against anyone of our own? Are they better players?

In the old days, we were just like Man Utd are today. Regardless of which manager came in after Shankly and which players left, we played the same brand of football and we were good. Today, we're still trying to rediscover that winning formula and it doesn't help that each manager has their own preference in terms of how we play, and who we play. The benefit of promoting from the academy is this. That the lads have been playing together for a couple of years and if more and more of them make the grade, we'll have a group of first team players who are already with one another and able to play as a unit rather than a group of individuals just like the mancs class of 92.
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Liverpool targets Colombian striker Jackson Martinez

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...rtinez-?cc=4716

Impressive stats:

30 goals in 57 appearances.

"an out-and-out goalscorer, a front-to-goal centre-forward who can finish off both feet".

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Mart%C3%ADnez



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good attacking football, pass and move is the things that we should cement it in our team. so it doesnt matter who is coming in as long as they know how to play in Liverpool style.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 17 2012, 03:01 PM)
The problem with switching managers all the time is that success if achieved, is invariably temporary. Both Houllier and Rafa enjoyed moments of success which ultimately ended as dramatically as it had begun. The success of a football club on the pitch should be dependant on the team itself and not it's individual players. Using the mancs as an example, they have managed to continue playing good football despite losing players like Ronaldo, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Schmeichel and so on over the years. The team continues to do will even with fringe players in their side. Honestly, how do the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Johnny Evans and Rafael stack up against anyone of our own? Are they better players?

In the old days, we were just like Man Utd are today. Regardless of which manager came in after Shankly and which players left, we played the same brand of football and we were good. Today, we're still trying to rediscover that winning formula and it doesn't help that each manager has their own preference in terms of how we play, and who we play. The benefit of promoting from the academy is this. That the lads have been playing together for a couple of years and if more and more of them make the grade, we'll have a group of first team players who are already with one another and able to play as a unit rather than a group of individuals just like the mancs class of 92.
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Entirely agree.

The Manchester United players aren't necessarily better than ours. I mean, Wayne Rooney, Antonio Valencia, Nemanja Vidic are some of the best players but compared to the likes of Danny Welbeck, Jonny Evans and all, we may have players in similar quality or could even be better.

However, United certainly know how to win games. They've lost good players over the years and yet they will always play every season the same. I've never seen them have a bad Premier League season.

I remember I mentioned why Liverpool were so successful in the late 1970s-1980s is because we played football the same way, the same philosophy from Shankly to Paisley to Fagan to Dalglish. Almost the same way Manchester United has been built by Ferguson in his 27 year reign.

Also, during those times, we had the great players of Aldo, Rushie, Beardsley, Digger who easily slotted in with the previous successful teams built by Fagan and Paisley. Success breeds success and we had the winning mentality.

However, all these were probably lost when Kenny stepped down, only to be rebuilt by Evans, Houllier and Benitez but only for the progress to be halted under Roy Hodgson and H&G. Now, Kenny's got to build us up again.

I keep saying how the 2008-2009 runners-up squad is the best Liverpool squad I have ever seen in my life as a fan but we never won anything with them. Mascherano and Torres were easily one of the world's best in their positions but we won nothing. So maybe Lucas, Henderson, Carroll are no Mascherano, Alonso and Torres but we've won a trophy with them and there's a chance for another in 2-3 weeks time.

And about the academy benefits .. Take a look at Barcelona. It took 20 years for results to come out!


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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 17 2012, 06:39 PM)
Entirely agree.

The Manchester United players aren't necessarily better than ours. I mean, Wayne Rooney, Antonio Valencia, Nemanja Vidic are some of the best players but compared to the likes of Danny Welbeck, Jonny Evans and all, we may have players in similar quality or could even be better.

However, United certainly know how to win games. They've lost good players over the years and yet they will always play every season the same. I've never seen them have a bad Premier League season.

I remember I mentioned why Liverpool were so successful in the late 1970s-1980s is because we played football the same way, the same philosophy from Shankly to Paisley to Fagan to Dalglish. Almost the same way Manchester United has been built by Ferguson in his 27 year reign.

Also, during those times, we had the great players of Aldo, Rushie, Beardsley, Digger who easily slotted in with the previous successful teams built by Fagan and Paisley. Success breeds success and we had the winning mentality.

However, all these were probably lost when Kenny stepped down, only to be rebuilt by Evans, Houllier and Benitez but only for the progress to be halted under Roy Hodgson and H&G. Now, Kenny's got to build us up again.

I keep saying how the 2008-2009 runners-up squad is the best Liverpool squad I have ever seen in my life as a fan but we never won anything with them. Mascherano and Torres were easily one of the world's best in their positions but we won nothing. So maybe Lucas, Henderson, Carroll are no Mascherano, Alonso and Torres but we've won a trophy with them and there's a chance for another in 2-3 weeks time.

And about the academy benefits .. Take a look at Barcelona. It took 20 years for results to come out!
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progress halted under rafa no matter how much we would like to believe otherwise.Our current state is a continuation from the 09-10 season.I don't believe roy was responsible for the situation.He was clueless on rectifying it but he didn't start it.He was the wrong person at the wrong place and time.

anyway guys,please vote in the 20 seasons of premier league anniversary.Don't complain if mu sweep everything then laugh.gif

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/20-seasons.html

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 17 2012, 07:16 PM)
progress halted under rafa no matter how much we would like to believe otherwise.Our current state is a continuation from the 09-10 season.I don't believe roy was responsible for the situation.He was clueless on rectifying it but he didn't start it.He was the wrong person at the wrong place and time.

anyway guys,please vote in the 20 seasons of premier league anniversary.Don't complain if mu sweep everything then laugh.gif

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/20-seasons.html
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what do u mean our academy halted under rafa?? rafa is the one who bring in so may talented youth..without rafa i seriously dont know what our academy will be like

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 17 2012, 07:16 PM)
progress halted under rafa no matter how much we would like to believe otherwise.Our current state is a continuation from the 09-10 season.I don't believe roy was responsible for the situation.He was clueless on rectifying it but he didn't start it.He was the wrong person at the wrong place and time.

anyway guys,please vote in the 20 seasons of premier league anniversary.Don't complain if mu sweep everything then laugh.gif

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/20-seasons.html
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You're right. As I mentioned before, the mess was still because of H&G. Can you imagine if we had other owners? Rafa's progress wouldn't have stopped there and there was no need to have Roy Hodgson as our manager but you gotta give credit to Rafa for his work with the academy and for bringing back Kenny and all that.

He definitely did not start it but he didn't do himself any favours by insulting the fans, insulting players and making us play football that made my eyes bleed! Maybe if we had a better first half of the 2010/2011 season, Torres wouldn't have left.

That award is so biased. Can't believe there's no Steven Gerrard at all. He's easily been the best player in the last 10-15 years but he gets overlooked because he never won a League title. Fair enough Ronaldo was awesome in his last 2 years at United but it's an award for 20 years, not 2 years. Not sure why Martin Skrtel was not nominated for PFA Player of the Year either.

They included Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger but left out the only other manager to win the league - King Kenny Dalglish.

All these awards by the FA are utter bullshit anyway and I don't really care who wins it anymore, lol.
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Agree with that Adryan. People need to remember that it was Rafa who brought Kenny back into the game. It was he who fought tooth and nail to bring this club forward into the 21st century. He revitalized the Academy and pushed Purslow to restructure the medical department.

Our predicament had always been due to Hicks and Gillett. Even if all the problems were caused by Rafa, they just made it worse by replacing him with Hogdson who was clearly out of his depth.

Imo, it is now more crucial than ever that we have a solid DOF. Someone to oversee the design and implementation of a long term solution to our football dilemma. That way we may chop and change the manager but at least the integrity of our football philosophy remains intact and there's a continuation of progress.


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I strongly feel that Rafa would take us to the top if its not because of the two evil yanks. Be it FSG or a better owner back then Rafa wouldn't had to sell players to get a new one. The declined in his last season in charge is not his fault alone.. the senior players doesn't really shows up in matches. The morale is low and their heads is fill with the crap stories thrown by the media. In the end, apart from H&G.. I honestly think that player powers bring him down. Some fans forgot, if its not because of Rafa's openly critical of H&G and telling the world H&G true face.. then the fans would slow to retaliate against them.

As for Ged, he never the same again after the heart surgery. We would have won it that year if its not because of that heart attack. Ged's last couple of seasons is nothing but 1-dimensional play with over reliance on Owen. He out of ideas, the team stalled and going nowhere.

I'd like Kenny to stay for a couple more seasons, if not as long Rafa then maybe 3 years like his contract stated. He deserves time to rebuild. We could see how good the played after he took over from Roy. Now that Commoli has gone, the pressure of signing players fall on Kenny shoulder. Let see what he will do. I hope he will scrap buying English and look elsewhere.
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Phil Dowd will referee the FA Cup final between Liverpool and Chelsea on May 5th
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 17 2012, 08:11 PM)
You're right. As I mentioned before, the mess was still because of H&G. Can you imagine if we had other owners? Rafa's progress wouldn't have stopped there and there was no need to have Roy Hodgson as our manager but you gotta give credit to Rafa for his work with the academy and for bringing back Kenny and all that.

He definitely did not start it but he didn't do himself any favours by insulting the fans, insulting players and making us play football that made my eyes bleed! Maybe if we had a better first half of the 2010/2011 season, Torres wouldn't have left.

That award is so biased. Can't believe there's no Steven Gerrard at all. He's easily been the best player in the last 10-15 years but he gets overlooked because he never won a League title. Fair enough Ronaldo was awesome in his last 2 years at United but it's an award for 20 years, not 2 years. Not sure why Martin Skrtel was not nominated for PFA Player of the Year either.

They included Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger but left out the only other manager to win the league - King Kenny Dalglish.

All these awards by the FA are utter bullshit anyway and I don't really care who wins it anymore, lol.
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Yes credit to him for the academy work which is starting to bear fruits.He also did an often unnoticed work by bringing KD back.

The nominations are extremely biased.Not even one gerrard goal shakehead.gif Alonso's halfway line goal was as good as beckham's if not better.
well i guess that's what happens when majority are jumping on the bandwagon. sweat.gif


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QUOTE(Burningsunz @ Apr 17 2012, 07:50 PM)
what do u mean our academy halted under rafa?? rafa is the one who bring in so may talented youth..without rafa i seriously dont know what our academy will be like
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I was talking about our senior squad.Learn to read properly first.

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Wat time is the finals guys?
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QUOTE(Adryan @ Apr 17 2012, 08:11 PM)
That award is so biased. Can't believe there's no Steven Gerrard at all. He's easily been the best player in the last 10-15 years but he gets overlooked because he never won a League title. Fair enough Ronaldo was awesome in his last 2 years at United but it's an award for 20 years, not 2 years. Not sure why Martin Skrtel was not nominated for PFA Player of the Year either.

They included Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger but left out the only other manager to win the league - King Kenny Dalglish.

All these awards by the FA are utter bullshit anyway and I don't really care who wins it anymore, lol.
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