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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Carling Cup Winner,FA Cup Runner Up 2012

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post Apr 17 2012, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 17 2012, 03:01 PM)
The problem with switching managers all the time is that success if achieved, is invariably temporary. Both Houllier and Rafa enjoyed moments of success which ultimately ended as dramatically as it had begun. The success of a football club on the pitch should be dependant on the team itself and not it's individual players. Using the mancs as an example, they have managed to continue playing good football despite losing players like Ronaldo, Van Nistlerooy, Beckham, Schmeichel and so on over the years. The team continues to do will even with fringe players in their side. Honestly, how do the likes of Wes Brown, John O'Shea, Johnny Evans and Rafael stack up against anyone of our own? Are they better players?

In the old days, we were just like Man Utd are today. Regardless of which manager came in after Shankly and which players left, we played the same brand of football and we were good. Today, we're still trying to rediscover that winning formula and it doesn't help that each manager has their own preference in terms of how we play, and who we play. The benefit of promoting from the academy is this. That the lads have been playing together for a couple of years and if more and more of them make the grade, we'll have a group of first team players who are already with one another and able to play as a unit rather than a group of individuals just like the mancs class of 92.
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Entirely agree.

The Manchester United players aren't necessarily better than ours. I mean, Wayne Rooney, Antonio Valencia, Nemanja Vidic are some of the best players but compared to the likes of Danny Welbeck, Jonny Evans and all, we may have players in similar quality or could even be better.

However, United certainly know how to win games. They've lost good players over the years and yet they will always play every season the same. I've never seen them have a bad Premier League season.

I remember I mentioned why Liverpool were so successful in the late 1970s-1980s is because we played football the same way, the same philosophy from Shankly to Paisley to Fagan to Dalglish. Almost the same way Manchester United has been built by Ferguson in his 27 year reign.

Also, during those times, we had the great players of Aldo, Rushie, Beardsley, Digger who easily slotted in with the previous successful teams built by Fagan and Paisley. Success breeds success and we had the winning mentality.

However, all these were probably lost when Kenny stepped down, only to be rebuilt by Evans, Houllier and Benitez but only for the progress to be halted under Roy Hodgson and H&G. Now, Kenny's got to build us up again.

I keep saying how the 2008-2009 runners-up squad is the best Liverpool squad I have ever seen in my life as a fan but we never won anything with them. Mascherano and Torres were easily one of the world's best in their positions but we won nothing. So maybe Lucas, Henderson, Carroll are no Mascherano, Alonso and Torres but we've won a trophy with them and there's a chance for another in 2-3 weeks time.

And about the academy benefits .. Take a look at Barcelona. It took 20 years for results to come out!


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post Apr 17 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 17 2012, 07:16 PM)
progress halted under rafa no matter how much we would like to believe otherwise.Our current state is a continuation from the 09-10 season.I don't believe roy was responsible for the situation.He was clueless on rectifying it but he didn't start it.He was the wrong person at the wrong place and time.

anyway guys,please vote in the 20 seasons of premier league anniversary.Don't complain if mu sweep everything then laugh.gif

http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/20-seasons.html
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You're right. As I mentioned before, the mess was still because of H&G. Can you imagine if we had other owners? Rafa's progress wouldn't have stopped there and there was no need to have Roy Hodgson as our manager but you gotta give credit to Rafa for his work with the academy and for bringing back Kenny and all that.

He definitely did not start it but he didn't do himself any favours by insulting the fans, insulting players and making us play football that made my eyes bleed! Maybe if we had a better first half of the 2010/2011 season, Torres wouldn't have left.

That award is so biased. Can't believe there's no Steven Gerrard at all. He's easily been the best player in the last 10-15 years but he gets overlooked because he never won a League title. Fair enough Ronaldo was awesome in his last 2 years at United but it's an award for 20 years, not 2 years. Not sure why Martin Skrtel was not nominated for PFA Player of the Year either.

They included Jose Mourinho, Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger but left out the only other manager to win the league - King Kenny Dalglish.

All these awards by the FA are utter bullshit anyway and I don't really care who wins it anymore, lol.
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post Apr 18 2012, 06:58 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 17 2012, 10:18 PM)
Yes credit to him for the academy work which is starting to bear fruits.He also did an often unnoticed work by bringing KD back.

The nominations are extremely biased.Not even one gerrard goal  shakehead.gif Alonso's halfway line goal was as good as beckham's if not better.
well i guess that's what happens when majority are jumping on the bandwagon. sweat.gif

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But I guess we can't really do anything. The awards by the FA are bullshit anyway!!
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post Apr 18 2012, 06:37 PM

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Apparently George and John supported Liverpool FC and Paul and Ringo are Evertonians.
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:55 AM

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Brad Jones: Heart as Big as Liverpool

Posted on 17. Apr, 2012 by Liam Tomkins

Rarely has a player who has featured so scarcely for Liverpool become so popular with the Anfield faithful. But Brad Jones, who has kept goal for just 274 minutes since joining in 2010, has found a special place in the hearts of the Kop usually reserved for decorated legends and local lads.

To understand Jones’ popularity on Merseyside we must first learn his story, a tale of much more than football; one which begins with unimaginable grief and suffering.

Brad was a Liverpool player when his son Luca was first diagnosed with leukaemia. You never forget where you were when you received such news; it is permantly etched into your subconscience, ready to be recalled by a picture, a sound, even a smell which was once associated with that place. For Jones, that place was over 10,000 miles from home.

For a year Luca battled bravely to overcome his illness, and the supporters of this football club did what they always do; they rallied around the family, of which they knew very little due to Brad’s relatively low profile and quiet persona.

Messages of support flooded in from the world over, even while the stopper was out on loan at Derby County, but on the 18th November 2011 six-year-old Luca sadly lost his fight, leaving Brad and his girlfriend Dani Lawrence behind, alone in a strange environment.

But they were not alone. Not at all, actually. The extended family that they became a part of when they moved to Merseyside did everything within their power to carry the couple through the most trying of times.

Brad and Dani took to Twitter to keep in touch with those wishing them well, and have continued to do so ever since. At every low point, and there have doubtless been many, the supporters have been there to offer a hand back up.

A bond formed with someone at their most vulnerable is the strongest kind; it is a bond for life, and one which explains the special relationship between Brad Jones and the supporters of Liverpool Football Club.

Fast forward to 10th April 2012, Blackburn vs Liverpool in the Premier League. Doni, Pepe Reina’s deputy, sees red for bringing down Junior Hoilett in the box and Jones rushes on to replace him. This is the first time that the Australian has featured in the Premier League with a Liverbird upon his chest, and his first act is to save a penalty kick.

If only for a moment the clouds that had hung over him for the past 18 months parted, making way for the promised golden sky. He turns around to acknowledge the travelling Kop behind him before looking upwards to send a message to Luca: “that was for you”.

Jones walked away from Ewood Park as a winner in more sense than one, and barely had he time to process it before being thrust into his next match, the biggest of his career to date against Everton in the The FA Cup Semi-Final at Wembley.

He didn’t have an awful lot to do if truth be told, but everything he did, he did with the confidence and assurance of a goalkeeper inspired by the supporters, who cheered his every touch. Sporting the Anthony Nolan charity logo on his gloves, he inspired us too with a show of strength and courage that far exceeded anything most of us will ever be able to comprehend, let alone emulate.

Another victory brought a happy end to a week in which Jones’ girlfriend gave birth to a baby boy, Nico Luca, whose alleigances have already been determined.

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Nico Luca Jones in his first Liverpool kit.

Clearly Liverpool, the city, the football club and its supporters have made a lasting impression on Brad Jones, and he on us.

Wherever life may take him in future the man with a heart as big as Liverpool, and his family, will always have a home to come back to on Merseyside, and the words of this famous anthem will evoke in them emotions which only those who truly connect with the club can ever understand.

http://www.kopsource.com/brad-jones-heart-...g-as-liverpool/
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post Apr 19 2012, 06:48 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 19 2012, 09:42 AM)
Nice piece. Thanks for sharing. A very sentimental read. It's picking up on stories like this that differentiates us if you ask me. It epitomizes the spirit of YNWA.
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Imagine if we win the FA Cup and Brad Jones is given the honour to lift it. Epic!!


QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 19 2012, 05:24 PM)
Barcelona must have feel the pain of getting tons of chance, but in the end keeper is on godlike mode and the goal post is seem bigger than before.
Barcelona 6 on target shot, 0 goal. Chelsea 1 on target shot, 1 goal.
Possession 79-21%...LOL hahaha
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Their performance last night sums up our season LOL Twice hit the woodwork, goal cleared off the line, keeper making good saves and opposition scored from their only shot on target. It was so undeserved. I have never seen such a one sided game where the dominant team did not win but that's football for you.
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post Apr 19 2012, 08:54 PM

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Doesn't really matter where Liverpool end up anymore this season.
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post Apr 20 2012, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 19 2012, 09:05 PM)
Above everton man biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 19 2012, 09:23 PM)
Sounds like you have given up on league? There's still alot to play for in the league, gotta finish above Everton and also aim for 7th the very least.
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I understand that but even if we finish 8th and Everton finishes 7th, we'll have a chance at Europa League and they don't!!
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post Apr 20 2012, 08:40 AM

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Well wasn't Lukaku 18 million and he's only 18.

Anyways, Lucas has missed 21 of the 33 games this season but he's still the club's top tackler. 21 games and no other Liverpool player can even match the amount of tackles he has made in 12!!
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post Apr 20 2012, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Apr 20 2012, 10:29 AM)
That was really nice. As usual though, I can't make out what Carra is saying  biggrin.gif
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I'm sure they chose Carra cause the Americans won't be able to understand him! LOL I met him once and it's difficult to understand him but i only understood "Nice to meet you". I think Stevie is easier to understand but Alex Curran is omg so freaking difficult!!

And in relation to the four Uruguayan youngsters .. good luck to them. Would be boost for them to be on trial with a club where former Nacional players are currently making an impact.

And goodness, I tell you, Suso is such a player. I was watching the last few minutes of the Liverpool reserves vs Man United reserves and we were losing 2-1 (United had gone 2-0 up before Ngoo pulled one back) and in injury time, Suso played this Alonso-esque ball from the right of midfield. It looked like it was going straight to the keeper/out for a goal kick but in curled back outwards towards Mendy who put the ball in and Eccleston scored.

Ever Adorjan looks a decent player but the one who stands out after Sterling would be Suso and Wisdom.
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post Apr 20 2012, 07:21 PM

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Kenny thanked Rafa for his academy work today!
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post Apr 20 2012, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 21 2012, 05:39 PM)
Sometimes, cannot rely on stat to determine a player is effective or not, or how is the performance on the pitch.

A player can get 90% pass rate success, but those can be just simple pass around that are not penetrating opponent and create chances for teamates one.
So does a pass rate of 100% doesn't mean create chances and creative on the pitch.
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True. Just like shots on goal ... 25 shots and 10 attempts on target could all be lame shots from outside the box while another team can score 2 goals from 3 shots because the chances they created are much much better.

I don't think Henderson actually deserves any criticism, though. Out of all of the midfield signings, he's got the most potential. People forget hes only 21 years just because he has played in the Premier League since 18 (i think) and while I do think Shelvey looks a better player, Henderson hasn't been that bad. Just nothing extraordinary apart from glimpses but he can be better.
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post Apr 22 2012, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 22 2012, 01:07 AM)
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Someone is training with the first team...  rolleyes.gif  brows.gif
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Yup, that's why he didn't take part in the reserves game against United 2 days ago. Hoping Suso would step up as well as he was good on that day but it's just a matter of time.

QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 22 2012, 02:41 AM)
Watching the El Clasico game between FCB and RMA.
Good lively football.
I'm glad our former players play at higher level football.
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Alvaro Arbeloa is kwaliteeeeeeeeee. Him and Xabi were a couple of Rafa's better signings. It's funny how people complain about Barca's hollywood actors - Busquets, Alves, Pedro but Madrid's Ramos, Di Maria, Pepe and Ronaldo (in the past) are no better.

Anyways,

I don't regret taking Liverpool job - Hodgson

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April 21, 2012

West Bromwich Albion boss Roy Hodgson insists he has no regrets over his time as Liverpool boss as he prepares to return to Anfield on Sunday.

Hodgson lasted just six months before he was replaced by Kenny Dalglish in January 2011, but despite heavy investment the Reds are languishing in eighth place and heading for the worst finish in their Premier League history.

However, despite their inconsistent league form, Liverpool won the Carling Cup in February and are through to the final of the FA Cup.

"I think Liverpool's season hasn't been a bad one," Hodgson said. "To win one cup and reach the final of another cup, that in itself I would have thought was success."

While he refused to speculate on whether Liverpool would be in a better league position if he had been given more time, Hodgson insisted he had no regrets at accepting the job, despite his unpopularity with the fans.

"I'm not prepared to say that or get involved in anything like that," he said. "I did everything I could at the time, I have no regrets about taking the job, my only regret is I wasn't able to keep it for longer.

"It was a period of transition. When I took over it is well documented Fernando [Torres] was not in his best form. Maybe had he been, it would have been as simple as that.

"Or, if Stevie Gerrard was fit all the time, or [Daniel] Agger, who knows? Now they have fit players and have added to the squad. They are stronger today than during my time at the club."

Having twice faced Liverpool at The Hawthorns since taking charge of the Baggies, it will be Hodgson's first return to Anfield. Dalglish has urged Liverpool fans to show respect to their former manager, and Hodgson is not expecting a hostile reception.

"I don't know. I wouldn't have thought so. There is no reason to give me a good reception because they didn't like me when I was there," he joked.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/147228.html

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Looks like he's trying to blame the poor 6 months on Torres. Talking about Gerrard but its not like Gerrard was fully fit all season, this season as well and the Daniel Agger comment is freaking hilarious.

Please, Woy, you frozed out Daniel Agger LOL
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post Apr 22 2012, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(LucasPSS @ Apr 22 2012, 10:45 AM)
someone remind me again why we sell arbeloa off to RM? He did very well in this morning's el clasico, keeping messi quiet.. we need a backup like this.. heck i think he's even better than enrique and deserve to start if he's still with us.
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Cause Arbeloa wanted to go back to Spain and he had one year left on his contract and didn't want to re new so it's either we sold him for 3.5 million or let him go for free the next year.


QUOTE(ALeUNe @ Apr 22 2012, 11:39 AM)

Well, that speaks a lot on why Torres wanted to leave.
Likewise, he got fed up with uncle Roy.

By the way, Torres played 1st half season under the uncle Roy.
Do you guys aware that (limbed) Torres scored more goals than both Carroll and Suarez in 2010/11 season?
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I still honestly felt if we didn't have Roy as our manager (assuming someone else would do a better job), Torres wouldn't have left if the results were better but there's no guaranteed I guess as he said he thought of leaving as early as 2009 when Alonso was sold or something.


QUOTE(Rotuham @ Apr 22 2012, 03:22 PM)
I suppose the term ''once you leave liverpool,the only way is down'' no longer applies these days.
Mascherano won the league and CL with barca,alonso and arbeloa are gonna win the league with real this year,aquilani is challenging for the league title with milan and meireles & torres look likely to enter CL final and possibly fa cup  sad.gif  Even benayoun will play CL with arsenal.
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I guess it depends on how you look at it. Some may have won trophies while the others have a chance to win trophies but none of them are now being spoken of in the same way as they did when they were here.

Alonso and Arbeloa - reputation built from Liverpool but Arby did struggle to hold a starting spot at Madrid.
Mascherano - best DM in world football but only gets to play when a CENTRE BACK is injured!!
Aquilani - well, nothing can be said because he hardly played for us but I always felt he was a good player.
Meireles and Torres - also, reputation kinda build at Liverpool and at Chelsea .. just another player.
Benayoun - hasn't really played much has he?

But Alonso, Arbeloa and Mascherano are easily playing for two of the world's best teams.
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post Apr 22 2012, 08:48 PM

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I would take it with a pinch of salt ...

No quotes whatsoever!!
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post Apr 22 2012, 09:50 PM

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Unconfirmed Liverpool team: Reina Johnson Skrtel Agger Enrique Spearing Henderson Maxi Kuyt Suarez Carroll

It's unconfirmed but I have no idea where's Gerrard anyway.
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QUOTE(love.beginner @ Apr 22 2012, 09:55 PM)
no downing and bellamy?
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Well it's unconfirmed XD

QUOTE(solstice818 @ Apr 22 2012, 09:57 PM)
I wan sterling KD!
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Same here.. I actually expect him to play a part, to be honest. It's a home game .. Sterling didn't appear for the reserves and all that. Maybe more than a 5 minutes run out hopefully!!

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QUOTE(mkaz @ Apr 22 2012, 10:09 PM)
Confirmed team #LFC v #WBA: Reina, Johnson, Skrtel, Agger, Enrique, Spearing, Henderson, Maxi, Kuyt, Carroll, Suarez
Subs: Doni, Coates, Downing, Carragher, Bellamy, Shelvey, Kelly
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Damn .. no Sterling?

Gerrard ... dropped? XD
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Glad to finally see Henderson-Spearing in the centre. Lack of pace on the sides, though with Maxi and Kuyt but let's see how they fare.

Interesting team that likes to play football on the ground.

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