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 The Weight Loss Thread v3, Ask your weight loss questions here.

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post Mar 1 2013, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(sick_baby @ Mar 1 2013, 12:07 PM)
Guys,
Wanted to ask.. tomorrow morning I am going to have fitness + strength competition.. first timer here. what food I should and sshouldn't eat today and tomorrow morning?

I plan to have 2 bananas and whey.. is it sufficient? I have no idea what to eat tonight. Basically food that can give me energy and hopefully help me for smooth breathing also.

Basic info on tomorrow competition, it's a strength competition which the winner is based on no of reps on each discipline. In total 7 disciplines. Rest 30 seconds in between.
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Best bet would be a cup or strong sugarless coffee 30mins before competition. Three slices of wholemeal bread with peanut butter, and two half boiled eggs, finished 1hr before competition. A steak and mixed salad for dinner the night before. And 7 hrs sleep at least. Slight still body stretching day before, and about 3 mins of dynamic stretching before commencing competition.

This is what I'd do, assuming working without supplements.

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post Mar 2 2013, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Mar 2 2013, 12:34 PM)
2 medium bananas should suffice. A scoop of whey is optional. 2 hours before your comp. Don't even think of taking anything else funky.
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The bananas would be emptied from the stomach within 30 mins am I right?

So the 2 hours you prescribe should be something to do with blood glucose levels?
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post Mar 13 2013, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(oOoproz @ Mar 13 2013, 03:42 AM)
Guys, I feel like my stomach always very fulll... I guess im having bloating problem... How to solve this?? It's been quite a long time ady... But this year it seems getting serious...  rclxub.gif
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Can be a problem with your diet. Lots of sugar? Lots of refined processed carbs, e.g. biscuits, bread, and junk?

Check this out

http://tnation.t-nation.com/free_online_fo...youre_not_doing

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post Apr 8 2013, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(akemwarhead @ Apr 8 2013, 10:28 AM)
thank for the tips, and I am just searching info and found about that "carb diet is blogne(bullshit)", and I found it interesting after watching fat head, it said many official nutrient information like from government and most vendor just about "follow the money". Did you know about all this?
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Many of us here know alot, but you gotta be more specific in your questions.
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post Apr 10 2013, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Apr 9 2013, 02:48 PM)
Recommend me some articles if you don't mind smile.gif
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http://www.simplyshredded.com/top-10-muscl...dybuilding.html
http://www.simplyshredded.com/50-rules-of-...-the-world.html
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/...loss-myths.html
http://jasonferruggia.com/muscle-building-cardio/

QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Apr 10 2013, 12:26 PM)
Obviously I don't. Unfortunately many articles talks about this and also otherwise, not sure which to believe so I'd usually play safe. Anyhow, as long as it doesn't harm me in any way and I'm comfortable with the way it is (not restraining myself on not eating at night), it is fine with me.
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It's allright. After a while you'll learn how to segregate between outright fad, myths, partially dubious, and solid advice.
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post Apr 11 2013, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Apr 11 2013, 11:08 AM)
Very often, it's hard to tell how solid/ trustable the source is. And in fact, research improves every year and they would release new findings that may contradict with what they said earlier doh.gif

End of the day, as you said, some are outright fad, myths, partially dubious, and solid advice yet how do we (layman web surfer) know which is which? Thus I understand the confusion that some advice seeker have. Even when I speak to the PT at gym, they would sometimes tell me otherwise (of things that I read online and thought were true). Even class instructor (eg. for body combat/ attack) and PT also provided different comment on the same thing. Anyhow, I can understand PT's standpoint of 'promoting their service'.

Lastly, thanks for the reference links!
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After you've done a good amount of reading you'd naturally know. After you've done that, sharing and asking questions on this forum, especially the BB section, is much more effective than asking many PTs around. The following are some of the better sites around, instead of places like ezine articles.

simplyshredded.com
thinkmuscle.com
bodyrecomposition.com
marksdailyapple.com
muscleandstrength.com
musculardevelopment.com
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post Jun 4 2013, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(FaezFarhan @ Jun 4 2013, 05:44 PM)
Guys which fat burner should i go for? Lipo? Oxyelite pro?
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I wonder why it's so tough?

Just increase your amount of vegetables to replace most, if not all of the rice. The rest goes to beans and fish / chicken.

Remove all sugar in your diet, which includes any sweet drinks. Don't touch any processed refined carbs, which includes bread and snacks.

It's not tough at all, and in fact being a highly stressed lack of sleep person and with no extra budget for multivitamin, I'd say the no sugar diet has helped me prevent from catching a full blown flu so far.
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post Jun 5 2013, 05:38 PM

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QUOTE(pinacolada @ Jun 5 2013, 04:55 PM)
Hi, just wondering, when u say "Don't touch any processed refined carbs, which includes bread and snacks." does that mean the so-called healthy breads like gardenia low fat fibermeal is not good? Are there any "healthy" bread?
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Well, technically, you can only find the least unhealthy bread. The least unhealthy would be a gluten-free, soaked grains bread which would most likely require self-baking. And the remaining ingredients that would make it unhealthy are the xanthan gum and yeast, which some can't tolerate as well. Best bet is to limit bread consumption to a minimum, the same way you would for sweet desserts.
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post Jun 6 2013, 10:26 AM

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QUOTE(pinacolada @ Jun 5 2013, 11:35 PM)
Oh i see haha thanks. I'm trying to lose weight and i was told to eat protein, so everyday i eat salmon sandwich for breakfast (from the bakery moment). I was told the bread is whole grain. So i'm wondering if its ok or i'm actually doing the wrong thing for my diet  rclxub.gif
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I guess it should be fine for starters. Can't be any worse than what made you overweight, right? smile.gif

Not an expert at breads and weight loss but as a general rule total calories consumed per day being less than your expenditure = weight loss in general.

However there are some caveats e.g. sugar and refined carbs leading to stagnancy in progress, and increased healthy oils expediting the progress.

I'll leave your questions to some of the more experienced members here on food selection.
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post Jun 6 2013, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 6 2013, 11:21 AM)
Take coffee/ nescafe without or with very little sugar. It'll think it's good enough as energy booster smile.gif
Try Adventist. I'm a regular for... more than 5 years? The bread is averagely only 30kcal per slice in comparison to say, a slice of Massimo (which is 90 kcal). Besides, it's packed with nutrition. You can get it in Jaya Grocer, Aeon, Cold Storage etc. Giant used to sell them but not anymore. But oh, it costs RM6.60 per loaf.

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Yes, the 7 grain one is the least unhealthy commercial choice.

Note that it still does contain gluten. However this is very much reduced as there are many other types of grains used, as opposed to a normal wholemeal bread for example.

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post Jun 6 2013, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 6 2013, 11:34 AM)
Very much reduced indeed. The calories is only 1/3 of Massimo based on per slice comparison. However, it does take a little time to adjust/ get used to the taste  laugh.gif

Anyway it's better than eating white bread as I take bread almost daily.
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Hmm not sure about the calories per slice, how about the calories per gram? That should give you a good indication of what differences there are, perhaps it's the extra oil used?

And yes it's the best easily available commercial alternative to white bread or any other wholemeal bread for that matter

Just keep it within moderate amounts as grains do have their negativities as well.
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post Jun 6 2013, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 6 2013, 11:53 AM)
Can't find it per 100gm so need to do own calculation. The label is at home lol

Massimo Wheatgerm x 2 slices (67gm) = 181kcal
Adventist 3-seeds Sprouted x 2 slices (59gm) = 59kcal

Do note that:

7-grains Sprouted x 2 slices (57gm) = 141 kcal

Yes indeed, anything taken in excess is not good.
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Probably something to the with the difference in fibre content then. Seeds vs wheat.

QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 6 2013, 12:40 PM)
guys, i found it weird that bread contains less calories than oatmeal. the oatmeal that i take contains about 367 caloris in 100g while wholegrain bread 216kcal only. If like that its better to eat bread to lose some weight. But most bodybuilding video shows they are eating oat. anyone know what is the explaination behind this
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Probably due to fibre content in bread being higher, therefore less cals? Do verify this as I have not. You'll also have to consider satiety index, gi value, and gi load to know more. In short, I think oats could be slower digesting, thus giving two benefits, i.e. one in terms of insulin response and second would be satiety. Again, do verify this as I haven't. And note that those amount of calories don't mean much at all in the bigger picture.
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QUOTE(pinacolada @ Jun 6 2013, 03:01 PM)
Hehe actually i'm not overweight, my height is 1.64m and i weigh 57kg. If we're talking BMI, i'm still in the healthy category as my BMI is about 21.2. The thing is i wanna lose fat/flab especially around the tummy area. I was told that nutrition is more important than exercising. Is this true?
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BMI is flawed. It's only good for getting a general statistical outlook on large surveys.

Just for example you could be as fat as an obese guy (in terms of muscle mass to fats ratio) but just 50% smaller in overall size.

Well, you can solely use your diet to obtain a good physique. But to perfect it (and expedite the process) you will need to exercise.

Similarly, good nutrition is crucial to keep diseases at bay. But to be considered healthy you'll need exercise.
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 6 2013, 03:14 PM)
It depends on the bread you're taking smile.gif some can be made with very little fat (butter/ margerin/ oil).

hmm.gif I'd say that Oats contain good fat? It's high in Beta Glucan which can lower cholesterol.
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And find out what fats they use. I'd avoid vegetable oils with the exception of higher smoking point oils such as palm oil, peanut oil, etc. Margerine is definitely a no go. Butter is good as well.
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 6 2013, 03:25 PM)
Wait, you mean... butter is better than margerin? I thought both were equally bad hmm.gif
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Butter (unsalted, organic and grass fed) is among the best quality foodstuff on earth!

Margarine was a sellout in the early days due to the misconception of saturated fats being a health culprit, along with its cheap pricing of course.

It's technically hydrogenated oil, which if you would kindly do a google search, is a hell of a killer.

Edit: Apparently now they are progressing towards zero trans fat margarines? Lol. That's how long I've never taken a look at the tubs produced by large conglomerates. Mass producing cheap food to the average time deprived consumer, with a second aim of contributing towards shareholder earnings can never be entirely good for health. Here, a quick intro to the subject of margarine: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-...mical-gunk.html

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Jun 6 2013, 03:39 PM)
no way normal bread going to use butter as ingredient. they use vegetable oil. See the ingredient. Unless its butter bread biggrin.gif
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I wonder what Adventis 7 grain bread uses? sweet_pez

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QUOTE(pinacolada @ Jun 6 2013, 03:54 PM)
I only jog 20 mins a day haha. Need to up my exercise but so lazy sweat.gif
I'm trying to fine tune my meal plan but i'm not sure how, i was told i need protein at each meal and to eat fruits, then some other person comes over and tells me that i should limit my fruit intake, then there's issues like calories dont really matter, its the % of nutrition thats important (which i know nothing of) haha.
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20 mins is fine, just up the intensity. Google HIIT for cardio, or to make things even easier just do weights.

And for the diet just keep it simple.

Let's say on one plate, assuming you're accustomed to the Asian diet:

50% goes to mixed vegetables ideally steamed or lightly stir-fried, 40% to a mix of eggs and/or other meats which ain't deep fried, and 10% to rice.

This should let you see some changes soon enough.

And yes.. fruits you can avoid.. due to the sugar content. Probably do it only once or twice a week, a small bowl of mixed fruits.

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 7 2013, 10:12 AM)
For me, no way I can live without fruits ohmy.gif I just have to take them everyday. Be it an apple, orange, some papaya or any other fruits for that matter. Although it has sugar (fructose), fruits are also rich in Vitamins and fiber.

I think it's no harm to take an apple or a fruit/ a slice every 2 days or so.
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Where I was coming from was that mixed vegetables would be required too, providing necessary vitamins without the sugar. And fruits would probably come in to alleviate the deficiencies as tropical fruits are amazing in their nutritional content, but considering the sugar level probably 2/7 days in a week would be good enough, limiting to no more than 100g of fructose each time. If consumed daily then limit to less than 50g fructose .

QUOTE(DT1 @ Dec 13 2012, 11:43 AM)
Fruits should be minimal. Strictly less than 50g of fructose per day, optimally less than 30g.
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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 7 2013, 12:24 PM)
Unfortunately I'm not a vege fan sweat.gif I try to compensate some of it with fruits (but of course, vege is healthier)
icon_rolleyes.gif life is not-a-life without fruits. I don't mind going a little slower in my diet with fruits.
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Well, try to get Non-GMO, less sweet, and high fibre < all these three are interlinked factors. And also as fresh as possible to retain nutrients which are what fruits are for, and also as co-factors to counter certain potential negative effects.

edit: and how could I forget, pesticides are easily absorbed into fruits, and there's not much of consistent regulation and enforcement here, so.... might wanna look into that as well when making choices.

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QUOTE(sweet_pez @ Jun 7 2013, 09:46 AM)
According to Adventist:     

7-grains Sprouted Bread

The 7-grains sprouted bread contains sprouted millets, sprouted corn, sprouted oats, sprouted rye, sprouted soy, sprouted lentil, honey, molasses and corn oil.  (Flour Free, Bromide Free, No Artificial Flavour, Egg Free, Shortening Free)

3-seeds Sprouted Bread

The ingredients in the 3-seeds sprouted bread are sprouted wheat, flaxseed, sesame seed, sunflower seed, honey, molasses and corn oil.  (Flour Free, Bromide Free, No Artificial Flavour, Egg Free, Shortening Free)

More on their website : http://www.adventistbakery.com/products.asp

Adventist is actually a hospital in Penang if I'm not mistaken. They're highly trusted in Penang and the locals love their variety of healthier bread. Every time go Penang for work it's a rush and short trip, have yet to get a chance to drop by and have a look at their bakery though.

http://www.adventistbakery.com/about.asp
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Could you kindly take a pic of the nutritional label for the 7-grains sprouted bread?

I'm in search of a high carb source, so far I've shortlisted oatmeal as it's easy, but I'm looking for a better alternative.

Edit: found it at.. http://www.myfitnesspal.com/food/calories/...rains-58928831#

Edit 2: Nah.. decided not to go ahead with it. The occasional slice of bread once in a while is fine, but definitely not including it as part of a daily regimen, due to the gluten.

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