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 STOCK MARKET DISCUSSION 118, Yat Yat Fatt - Apple Free

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cherroy
post Apr 26 2012, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 04:13 PM)
What I meant was fixed gross. Like lets say Basic 400, but fixed allowances like transport allowance, site allowance, makan allowance all add up to meet the minimum wage. This does not include overtime which is not fixed.

This way overtime or additional production does not cost extra from before. And fixed costs are easier to manage, where the company has a fixed objective and can concentrate on other cost cutting measures like medical benefits, cheaper insurers, less uniforms etc.

If basic = minimum wage, overtime of staff to meet production deadlines will have an impact on production costs. And these costs can vary according to the amount of production needed, public holiday overtime, different payscale of employees etc.

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Because employees didn't suddenly improved, there is a justification not to pay the basic = minimum wage if the delta is high.
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Skid,
Based on the news, Min wages is on basic only, so OT rate also will be affected.

http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/letters-to-t...-salary-1.56880

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PUTRAJAYA: THE minimum wage deals only with the basic salary while employees and employers would have to discuss the additional benefits.

Human Resources Minister Datuk Seri Dr S. Subramaniam said this had been the practice in Malaysia "all the while".

Subramaniam was commenting on concerns raised by the Malaysian Employers Federation (MEF) executive director Shamsuddin Bardan that workers could lose their additional incentives and allowances once the minimum wage policy was implemented.
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post Apr 26 2012, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2012, 04:24 PM)
Classic example! Beauty of dividends & long term investment.  wub.gif
I did the same way, too.  blush.gif
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Hello Bunny - did you buy PERSTIM last time? Not sure if the dividend yield will be substainable for long term. I need to check out the latest timah price and the world forecast supply and demand first.

PS. can I ask for ang pow from you? I am "return"newcomer that bought some shares today! Hehe icon_idea.gif


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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 26 2012, 04:24 PM)
Yes I am.  laugh.gif
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Keeping cash in your HL trust fund will earn you higher interest than normal bank current/saving accounts!!! tongue.gif

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post Apr 26 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(tanch78 @ Apr 26 2012, 04:34 PM)
Keeping cash in your HL trust fund will earn you higher interest than normal bank current/saving accounts!!!  tongue.gif
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I lost trust in their trust fund. tongue.gif
Prefer to manage ownself.
At least so far the returns far exceed their returns. blush.gif
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QUOTE(tanch78 @ Apr 26 2012, 04:34 PM)
Hello Bunny - did you buy PERSTIM last time? Not sure if the dividend yield will be substainable for long term. I need to check out the latest timah price and the world forecast supply and demand first.

PS. can I ask for ang pow from you? I am "return"newcomer that bought some shares today! Hehe  icon_idea.gif
PERSTIM all time low... hmm.gif

Next payment month should be in July & Nov... No rush to buy yet.

p/s: No ang pow larrrrr
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post Apr 26 2012, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 26 2012, 04:33 PM)
Skid,
Based on the news, Min wages is on basic only, so OT rate also will be affected.

http://www.nst.com.my/opinion/letters-to-t...-salary-1.56880
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Yeah, the employers will suffer as adjustments will be more complicated. And employees will not benefit unless there is overtime. I guess the work harder, get paid more mantra is the philosophy.
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post Apr 26 2012, 04:49 PM

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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 26 2012, 05:37 PM)
I lost trust in their trust fund.  tongue.gif
Prefer to manage ownself.
At least so far the returns far exceed their returns.  blush.gif
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dun mind to share ? ohmy.gif
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 04:48 PM)
Yeah, the employers will suffer as adjustments will be more complicated. And employees will not benefit unless there is overtime. I guess the work harder, get paid more mantra is the philosophy.
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The outcome can be inflation, which is highly possibly, which in the end of the day, nobody gain, but lose-lose situation.

No productivity gain, with wages increment, is factor for inflation to hit.

In fact, even the employee getting payrise, but inflation looming and serious hit, all payrise is back to square one, and life can become more difficult due to inflation instead better.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Apr 26 2012, 04:52 PM)
The outcome can be inflation, which is highly possibly, which in the end of the day, nobody gain, but lose-lose situation.

No productivity gain, with wages increment, is factor for inflation to hit.

In fact, even the employee getting payrise, but inflation looming and serious hit, all payrise is back to square one, and life can become more difficult due to inflation instead better.
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Employers will probably cut other benefits like allowances and incorporate them into the basic pay. Overtime will probably also controlled to control costs.

I still think the gross = minimum wage is better option. At the end is how much coming into the bank for the employee, regardless of basic or allowance. EPF is match by gross anyway, right? Touching the basic pay will only cut the other benefits in kind, if the governments objective is to increase quality of life, it's better to do so when the adjustments are easier to manage.

Talking about inflation, ever wondered how the talk about GST completely vanished since election is coming?
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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Apr 26 2012, 04:49 PM)
dun mind to share ? ohmy.gif
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Share what ah david gor? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 26 2012, 06:04 PM)
Share what ah david gor? hmm.gif
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on ur msn! biggrin.gif
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NCB : A Single Tier Special Interim Dividend 56.0 Sen

Current price 3.90, eq to > 14% yield

Share price appreciation not much. Another purely makan divvy counter.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2012, 05:25 PM)
NCB : A Single Tier Special Interim Dividend 56.0 Sen

Current price 3.90, eq to > 14% yield

Share price appreciation not much. Another purely makan divvy counter.
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Mmmmm yummy. nod.gif

But special dividend, so might not repeat.

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post Apr 26 2012, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Apr 26 2012, 05:26 PM)
Mmmmm yummy.  nod.gif
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Skid you have NCB share? Over the long run is lucrative.

Last year they give 59c. Even more.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2012, 05:30 PM)
Skid you have NCB share? Over the long run is lucrative.

Last year they give 59c. Even more.
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sad.gif No ler, was in my watchlist last time, but never follow for very long already.

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Dividends won't last for long, that's what I thought last year when they declared the special ><. Because their EPS is much lesser, they're just paying off the shareholders now which is quite good. But if buy now for the current special, will it come again next year?

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 26 2012, 05:30 PM)
Skid you have NCB share? Over the long run is lucrative.

Last year they give 59c. Even more.
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Wow this is a very good counter to keep for long term hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Icehart @ Apr 26 2012, 06:33 PM)
Wow this is a very good counter to keep for long term  hmm.gif
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Need to ask ask Dividend farmer d! notworthy.gif
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wow today this thread moves quite fast..means market is getting better? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(pear1000 @ Apr 26 2012, 07:02 PM)
wow today this thread moves quite fast..means market is getting better? tongue.gif
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is becuz less fruit to kacau!! btw i tot ice also busy to make some apple icecream?
drool.gif


Added on April 26, 2012, 6:07 pm
QUOTE(pear1000 @ Apr 26 2012, 07:02 PM)
wow today this thread moves quite fast..means market is getting better? tongue.gif
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is becuz less fruit to kacau!! btw i tot ice also busy to make some apple icecream?
drool.gif

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QUOTE(davidcch07 @ Apr 26 2012, 06:06 PM)
is becuz less fruit to kacau!! btw i tot ice also busy to make some apple icecream?
drool.gif


Added on April 26, 2012, 6:07 pm
is becuz less fruit to kacau!! btw i tot ice also busy to make some apple icecream?
drool.gif
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taikor my broker not yet contact me back mad.gif when got info already i will directly pm you..sorry ya notworthy.gif

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