Well, he's not wrong and he's not right. Overpriced yes, no good not really. They sound good in their own right, but for the same money you can probably do better.

Your biggest issue now is finding the right fitment for your car door panels right? Some other brand speakers might not fit properly without some cutting.

Btw, since it's a beemer, do you have a budget for this upgrade? What amps you have in your car now? You should consider changing to the specially-designed-for-BMW aftermarket speakers. I can't remember what brands they are but they fit exactly where the original speakers are including subwoofer so those are probably fitment-perfect compared to Alpines or whatever.

What car racun you la? If you're gonna compare with a 12-speaker Mark Levinson setup in the Lexus or the Dynaudio setup in the Volvo, all I can say is good luck to you.

B&O?

Forget about upgrading your car la. With that sort of restriction on your car and budget limitation there's no way you can do better than the B&O.

Eh... wait, whats your budget again?

Cutting the door panel, need to revert what for change door? Even stock speakers will benefit from the mods mah. Anyway, the BMW direct replacement I saw was from AudioSystem, not BSW. It's not as expensive in comparison but no way comparable with that B&O.

I've seem plenty of stock looking BMWs both new and old with awesome sound systems in CV Audio. They specialise in high end cars anyway, my Wira was one of the rare cheapass cars they deal with. Kinda awkward parking my car to a R35 or a Alphard. Conti cars like yours already have pretty good sound proofing so that's already half the battle won.

CV has excellent aftersales service. I'd deal with Peter from CV Audio anyday over the rude folks in KF. But that was me, perhaps they've improved since back then.

CV are pros with high end cars so I'd be comfortable sending an expensive Merc or BMW to them anyday.

I've also seen a 5-series stripped down in EA Autoworks too so I'm guessing they know what they're doing too.

Yes that's right.

I disagree with Quazacolt.

Having rear speakers is a personal preference. I kinda like sound surrounding me from back and front like that, nevermind the staging. So personally if you ask me it's not a waste of money.

It's a personal preference.

You got the money then go for it. If limited then optimize front speakers only. Purists will say front only, but i'm not a purist and I just like the way it sounds so it's up to you

Haiya.. you're taking the word "surround" too literally. And you didn't read my comment properly la. I don't care about staging. Therefore imaging is irrelevant, tonality isn't affected la and separation where got affected? That's not what it sounded like in my car back then. You probably need tuning assistance if you had that much problems.



And whatever the "sense to focus" is, it's a personal preference. I want a submersive setup that covers my passengers too, so you want to focus on driver that is your choice. Mine is not the same as yours.

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Added on November 9, 2012, 7:09 amAlo taiko.. you also another one. Music recordings where got surround recording one? Only stereo. I don't need a processor to have rear setup with stereo and besides, surround in its true meaning is only for DVD users. I just want a submersive sounding setup. Front, back, left, right, etc.. who cares that it doesn't sound 'realistic' la?

This kind of discussion will lead no where since everyone is trying force their ideals on others.

This post has been edited by izso: Nov 9 2012, 07:09 AM

Thank you my friend.. this is exactly my point.

Sub la. You get less vibration and noise with soundproofing but you get basssssss with the sub!

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Added on November 13, 2012, 10:44 pm14ga or 12ga is plenty already. But 16ga will work just as well. Can afford it get 12ga lor.

This post has been edited by izso: Nov 13 2012, 10:44 PM

nice!

Long live JL subs!

Some audiophilers prefer *more* musical subs like the Phase Aliante or the Scanspeaks. Those type of subs can't really go loud but they produce very accurate bass notes apparently. I'm not a fan so I can't really comment much on these subs other than the fact that they look good

Forget about the front dash speakers and consider investing in a custom door panel to fit 6" speakers and mount tweeters on your A-pillar.

1K to get boom boom is very very hard.

Forget the UR bars laaa... they make you go faster around corners. ICE makes you drive sensibly (provided you don't listen to techno) and makes you more relaxed.

ICE first then bars mah

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Added on December 5, 2012, 9:01 amThis either means you got a damn good deal on your amp or you need better speakers!

This post has been edited by izso: Dec 5 2012, 09:01 AM

Maverick, some component speakers have very high sensitivity and can work without amps like the Rainbow brand speakers. If you're going back to Howie I'm sure he has some speakers that'll work without amps but the question is why bother?

Keep RM20 per day for a year and you should be able to afford your system. Hehe..

I say if you're into ICE, save up and straight up buy the best system you can think of. Buying lower end and constantly upgrading is painfully expensive.

If you're not into ICE and just want better sound, then just buy whatever makes you happy.

Different beasts. JL for the hard thumping bass, Focal for the more "musical" bass.

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Added on December 10, 2012, 6:47 amSLC I think. That should be the entry level Rainbow.

This post has been edited by izso: Dec 10 2012, 06:47 AM

Screw the backspeakers, get a custom panel, plonk in a simple Rainbow SLC model component set, throw in an underseat woofer and you'll have a pretty decent entry level setup that'll beat the pants off some setups.

Come come.. let unker izso poison you...

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Added on December 19, 2012, 7:47 amBro, asking how much budget to splurge is the wrong question. Question should be how much are you willing to fork out? Personally I'd ask you to forget the entry level stuff and just jump in high end or mid-range and be satisfied longer.

Head units will cost anything between RM300 (Sony stuff) to RM5000 (Denon/McIntosh/Clarion)
Components will cost anything between RM700 (Alpines/Rainbows/Dominations/etc) to RM5000 or more (Sinfoni/Dynaudio/Scanspeaks/etc)

So personally? I'd suggest going for a player like the Clarion HXD2, Pioneer P80 or something 'middle range' priced.
Then go for a middle range component set that'll knock your socks off (depending on your preference) paired with an amp that'll support it. Save up for a proper sub + sub box + amp. Then you'll be done for at the very least 5 years and possibly poisoning some friends along the way.

This post has been edited by izso: Dec 19 2012, 07:47 AM

Don't listen to Quazacolt. His is no where near "entry level". My myvi is true entry level - all in RM2k.

The entry level Rainbow costs RM750 including install. I'm sure there's a Dominations or German Maestro equivalent somewhere but I wouldn't know how much they cost since I didn't buy those.

As for those guys and their claims of entry level speakers, they aren't wrong. BUT 'entry level' Dynaudios for example will outperform a lot of speakers out there. 'Entry level' Scanspeaks will outperform a lot of brands out there too.

And to buy these 'entry level' speakers, prepare to dish out RM2k and above!

Full component set la. Tweeters, midbass and crossover.

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Added on December 21, 2012, 7:23 am'financial problem' but you're in Korea! Fuh.. why sell the speakers la?

This post has been edited by izso: Dec 21 2012, 07:23 AM

Why would you need two W3s? If it's loud you want, then you need to reconsider that amp. 1 x W3 should be plenty loud if powered right.