memalukan orang miri saja....

This scammer kid has come again with new nick and same modus operandi. targetting ppl who open a WTB thread.

New Nick is Sublimationin

Hello, I'm a seller in lowyat.net too and in light of this scam method, I want to know how we as seller can protect ourselves from scammers like this posing as buyers. We normally provide buyers with bank details ie Maybank2u hoping he would bank in the money but do we really know where the money is coming from? Whether it's cash deposit or online transfer, we do not know for certain if it was the buyer itself who is paying us or his victims. Can anyone share a few tips to prevent such scam from happening?

Beware if they are overly generous with extra fund banked in / or people that can never find a camera to take a screenshot of proof. If he refused to do so, perhaps it would be the best to prepare to hold the funds until he find something/someone to provide him a camera.

i) If he bank in through CDM - Produce a picture together with Name/Address/HP/Item purchased/Lowyat ID
ii) If he online transfer - Put the screenshot of the bank receipt with your Lowyat thread visible with his username logged in
iii) Google all the details he gave to you

If you are too suspicious with it, then you can propose refunds, then you can compare the details he gave you tally with the bank account or not. If he gave you some bank account that is totally different for example his address detail shows Abu, and asking you refund to Mutusamy, then that is extremely risky refund unless he provide you proof they are related.

Some are still acceptable, maybe teenager relying on his bro/sis/mother/father account which usually can be identified from family surname, then you can proceed with the refunds.

While they are not foolproof, it will deter many from trying to cheat you. That way, you can protect yourself too.

P/S: Please note that holding a fund is illegal, so if you decide to hold it, make sure you solve it in a really really quick time possible usually on same day or max one day for me. If you required more time than that, I would advise you to open a thread in dispute so you can ask for further advise from members here.

Either way, if the buyer was a real buyer, he would do everything to get back his money as fast as possible. If he give you thousands of illogical reason, then it would be the best to hold.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Apr 2 2013, 05:18 PM

Thanks for sharing, a13solut3. I'm still very much concern as there is still loophole even with providing picture proof. Example scenario, Mr.A pmed me to me ask for bank details to bank in RM60 to buy product from me but Mr.A instead use my bank details to scam other people. The victim Mr.B (who I do not know his existence) banked in RM60 or even RM100 (claiming no small note when using CDM). Unless Mr.B found a way to make himself known to me, I would proceed sending the product to Mr.A or refund the balance RM40 to Mr.A if Mr.B banked in RM100 because Mr.A could fool me by providing his fake picture with fake name, address, etc fake details as proof of payment knowing Mr.B had already banked in.

Same for online transfer like Maybank2u, unless Mr.B insert my email in the recipient email box, I wouldn't know who sent me the money. And even if Mr.B did, I get the name of Mr.B from the transfer receipt through Maybank email but Mr.A can brushed it off by claiming his brother/friend/relative is paying for him on his behalf. And after a week or more later, assuming Mr.B found me by google or something because he realized he has been scammed, it will be too late to stop Mr.A and I'll be in the same situation as TS

Yeah, holding funds is best solved within same day. If really fishy and cannot be solved, I agreed with you, opening a dispute thread so others can give more opinions on the matter is best course of action.

Mod, if my post is irrelevant to TS case, I shall open a new topic elsewhere to post this. I'm hoping to find a way to prevent such scam method happening and alert other sellers to be careful.

This post has been edited by Nam226: Apr 2 2013, 05:41 PM

So we had some incident in the vaping (ecig) community recently and i stumbled into this post. Read through all 12 pages and judging from the photos, email address (among other stuff) dug out by fellow vapers the pictures and stats match. There is more story to this of course. Seem like this guy is at it again with a different name and physical address.

http://imgur.com/PnU89BX

PS: oops i dont actually know how to post a pic... ><


INCOMING COPIED AND PASTED WALL OF TEXT =D

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Postby Catsie » Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:49 pm
Hi,

First, it will be difficult to me to explain all in english, but I will try.

- I put a WTS in classifieds for a GGTB+Penelope
- A member, "Zackry" contact me by PM to know the price in $USD, and wanted my paypal adress to pay
- I reply to him and give him the price in $USD and my paypal adress
- Then, he asked me "how for only the GGTB"
- I reply that I don't want to split for the moment, it was the evening
- When I woke up the morning, I saw that I had an email from paypal, that I receive some money on my account. I go to VW, and see that I've PM from Zackry, telling me "I sent 360$ USD for the GGTB to be sent to Malaysia,if it enough though. but ..I know you haven't think about getting it split or something but I sent a payment incase you wanted to split.really want a GGTB for so long now. Thanks hope you hear me out in this." And he gave me his name and his adress in Malaysia.
I knew that forced sale exist, but not the forced purchase!
- First, I think that that man was crazy to send 360$ for a GGTB... I've bought this GGTB on the wall for 157€ with the shipping cost, and wanted to sell it for about the same price. But, after, I think that there were only 200 GGTB like this in the world, and maybe this guy wanted one and has a lot of money to spend, why not? So, I go to my paypal account and accept his payment.
- I shipped the GGTB to him the 25/04/2013 with a tracking number that I gave him by PM.
- The day after the sending , I receive an email from paypal, telling me that the payment was suspended, because the buyer has open a complain because he has not receive the item. Of course, the shipping from France to Malaysia can't be done in less than 24 hours...
And he wrote a lot of things wrong on his complain on paypal: Saying I'm a scammer using different email. That I sell something, but never ship it, and that the item is still for sale after he made the payment. That I said that the item was in India, that I was in USA, and I wanted a payment in France... And to proof, he posted a fake MSN conversation (that was of course not my email, I never use MSN, and never had this conversation with him, only PM on VW).

- Then, I post on paypal the tracking number, to proof that the item was shipped to him.
And this is at this time that I've understud that this will be hard to me to proof my honesty to paypal, and that Zackry is a scammer:
When I receive the paypal payment, I have not seen any informations on his adress on paypal.
When I accept the paypal payment, I have not seen any informations on his adress on paypal.
But, when he open the complaint, his adress was visible on paypal, and this was an adress in USA and an other name !! (did he use something like "Shipito" to do that ??)
when I accepted payment, I did not notice that the name given by PM was not the same as the paypal payment, because the sum corresponded to that announced in the PM, and I do not expect other payment, for me it could only be Zackry.
- So, he wrote immediatly that he made an error, the item was shipped, but the tracking number is a proof that I'm a scammer, because why I've ship the item in Malaysia, and not in USA, and why doing that if it is not for scamming.

I've only VW PM to proof that the adress he gave me was in Malaysia, I try to explain to paypal, but: the postal receipt with tracking number show that I've ship something in Malaysia to someone, and this is not the same name and not the same adress he use on the paypal account to pay me... How could they believe me?

This post has been edited by loodeytunes: Apr 29 2013, 11:03 AM

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by Catsie » Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:33 pm

As soon as I saw the complaint on paypal, I sent him 3 PM on 26/04/2013 and ask for some explanations:
I wrote:
- "You open a problem on paypal...Why are you doing this man?" (Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:41 pm )

- "I do not understand what you're doing, and what you said. I never wrote what you said. I'm Not using different email. I always answered to your PM, and I gave you the tracking number ... I 'm not a scammer ... The GGTB ​​is not for sale again, and it's shipped to you ... " (Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:46 pm )

- "Hum, you don't answer to PM now... you're trying to scam me, but be carefull, you will loose.
I'm an honest guy, and paypal know that since a lot of years I use their services...Why are you doing this?" (Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:55 pm )

The PM has been received by Zackry, but he did not answer me ...
When I realized that I was the victim of a scam, I contacted Del Boy to inform, to prevent other members face the same problem!
This guy as only one message on VW, this is my fault for trusting this guy... I know...

And as you Eyebrook, I wish he will come here explain what he did, I'm very curious to read his explanations!

This post has been edited by loodeytunes: Apr 29 2013, 11:03 AM

why is the name mohd shahrul ariffin?
hmmmmmm
is that his real name?
address is different as well

This post has been edited by johnny82: Apr 29 2013, 11:31 AM

Zakry has been active in Jerzeedevil again scamming people.



This post has been edited by pltan: Apr 30 2013, 01:41 AM

Yes apparantly using a diff name and address now. Email is still the same =)

This guy is international......

This post has been edited by pltan: Apr 30 2013, 02:16 AM

y is he still not caught?

Guys have you guys not searched for his facebook page? I found this:

https://www.facebook.com/munawir.zackry

it seems he still roams around...

buat masalah lagi budak nih...sepatutnya masa kes awal2 hari tu dah ambil tindakan tegas...silap lepaskan mcm tu saje...huhu