id reckon pure DAC would be easier to search and understand, at least the common term in audiophile (and LYN audiophile sub forum)

dac = digital analog converter

in other words, all it does is convert your usb/mp3/CD digital signals, to analog signals, nothing more, nothing less.
if it does not have a built in amp like most entry to mid level HU does, it wont be able to drive anything properly.

why enthusiasts/hardcore people who go for high end HU that are pure deck (or pure DAC) is to eliminate any potential quality degrade due to poor internal amp. technically it is also considered double amping which to most, if not all audiophile, reduces signal purity and thus lower quality. as a matter of fact most people playing in the high end systems are expected to have amps anyways, no reason to ignore a market demand/requirement and have internal amps.

thanks mate.... But all continental ones. I will try to ask survey my town first whether they got or not the item like this one.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 9:20 pmPrince of Darkness, howiechoo

Come on guys... please dont fight here.... we just wanna share suggestion and opinion and also wanna know a little bit bout car audio system....

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Added on March 21, 2012, 9:22 pmS, u mean I need to install the speaker (front and rear) first right? Later invest on the amp then last only fix HU....? Sorry for my noob question

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Added on March 21, 2012, 9:26 pmIn that case, the so call 'pure deck' no need to install any amp? It can perform by itself? Just attach it to any speaker will do or also need special speaker for that? Can this kind of deck can play loud SQ sound?

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Added on March 21, 2012, 9:59 pmhere you go..

Pure Deck, meaning it's almost functionless except for some hi end dedicated signal processors, can't read MP3 and stuffs, no amp, not much extra bonuses, the main job is just to read the CD and give out uncompromised clean and clear signal to amp or proccessor. Most Hi End car HU r of this type.


This post has been edited by geniuz: Mar 21 2012, 09:59 PM

I am also newbie in ice duh
Anyway, p99 won't drive your speaker/component because it does not have internal amplifier. But in the case of 9887/cda-117/p80prs, they have internal amplifier to drive your speaker/component, but the internal amp is weak, so you'll need external amplifier to boost your component/speaker(correct me if i'm wrong ) . As for imprint, i have no idea, because i've yet to experience it.

900 for learning a lesson is ok already, i paid 1k plus(without changing hu) to brothers -.- result is, "lala" bass, poor mid, piercing highs~
As for rave, i've no idea.
Anyway, what type of music you normally listen to?this will guide you whether to go SQ road or SPL road.(my thinking lah )

long time i dun putting effort in explaining, so now i have a try



see the red circle? this is so common that its written on every headunit about it's internal amp output capability.....

why the cheap hu got but p99 don't have? Because p99 is pure deck (headunit without built in amplifier to reduce heat, power consumption, and interference with the ultimate key point that nobody will buy such an expensive hu and use the internal 4x50watts max amplifier). It's job is just getting data from your cd, provide preamp/tuning function and send to amplifier(external which you need to buy seperately). This goes to mcintosh, denon, naka high end, alpine high end, eclipse SM and also some other brands....Some old ppl actually think those hu are rubbish because they dunno why the hu cant connect to spk directly and looks oldschool....actually i got a fren who bough a mcintosh at rm300 in half cut shop...

if u said you use p99 to pair with oem spk and it sound boring, i do find it misleading because it will not be able to drive a speaker without adding an external amp. If a newbie that know nothing but got lotsa money go buy a p99 and wanted to drive the oem spk but found out cant do that, who's gonna blame?

Then i will offer swap his p99 with my 18w rms x 4 cap-ayam hu

you really meant saving more money as in having more money in your bank account or its just sarcasm?

Now I got did!! Thanks Mr howiechoo coz details explanation

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Added on March 22, 2012, 8:05 amBut, how come this kind of HU got such a big price? coz inside got no internal amp.... Maybe all the components used good materials or somethings is it?

This post has been edited by geniuz: Mar 22 2012, 08:05 AM

No worries, can blame it on me if that happens.

Layman question to you:
So P99 HU alone totally can't drive any speakers at all without the help of adding amp?

Answer in layman: Yes or No is very more then enough for me. Don't bother to write composition to explain further.

Thanks.

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Added on March 22, 2012, 9:24 amDefinitely in my own bank account rather then others right?? Can save more why not? To much money to you is a burden?

This post has been edited by Prince of Darkness: Mar 22 2012, 09:24 AM

Just to share what i did to my saga. Last year changed my HU to pioneer that supports SD card, cos having a usb drive sticking out is ugly and inconvenient. Installed 6.5" component at the front door, and muted the rear stock speakers. Overall is a huge upgrade, sounded so much better.
After listening over a year, i felt its not good enough. So planning to soundproof front doors, add amp and subwoofer next month.
For me i feel its a better form of 'investment' in your car rather than exterior mod cos if we change car, ICE equips can be transferred easily, provided they still function properly.

Oh shit, mine can read MP3 one ler... Guess mine is not "pure" enough. Damn, or I kena installer con???


Hmmm, interesting. I'm wondering the same thing too. Why so expensive??

Sad.. I got cheated too:( My P99 also not pure coz playing MP3 from my IPod Touch. Haiz!
This weekend going back to my installer to confront him..
Last night called him to check, he still can tell me why P99 can't drive speakers w/o amp??? Sight.. Gonna change installer soon..
Provide me with all the wrong info.

Generic hu has to accomadate transport, dac, preamp, psu, usb mp3 section, bluetooth module, internal amp and etc... all squeezed into a small platform. Hence the design must be simple to accomadate for all.
mostly uses smd components as its small

Smd is an industrial grade components. Reliable but they r not audiophile grade.

Pure deck hu onli comprise of transport, psu, preamp & dac. Hence a more complex design(better) dac, preamp stage & psu can be implemented as there is more space.

Some pure deck comes with built in proc or external.

This post has been edited by carcrazy: Mar 22 2012, 12:01 PM

$900 for component set alone.
I'm into soft vocal.

Glad to be here as I've learn loads of new stuff from gurus.

I will advise my wife not to get P99. As she's getting her new ride end this month, intended to install P99 as she already knows how to function it. But now, pointless as she don't intend to install any amp due to her small booth space and she needs it for her stuff thus only upgrade HU+a decent component. But useless now coz end of day, no sound still.
Maybe recommend her a doubledin. Atleast something different..

Cheers!

No need so high end. P80 very good already. alternatively can install a good used 2ch amp under the seat.

Don't think she wants any amp. Ask her to get a doubledin with reverse camera. Lol..

dun create another confusing statement..some ppl may take it serious.....

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Added on March 22, 2012, 12:57 pmNO

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Added on March 22, 2012, 12:58 pmNo need to guess, it's as wat you said

This post has been edited by howiechoo: Mar 22 2012, 12:58 PM

P99 can read MP3. I was just joking. (People now a days very tension~~)

Below are the main features:
Main Features

Plays:
=Your CD collection (including CD-R, CD-RW)
MP3, WMA, WAV, AAC compressed audio files on CD and USB
=Works With
Your iPod, iPhone or USB device
Other music devices via a front auxiliary input
=Front Panel
Motorized Flap Face Plate
=Key Illumination Yes
=Rotary Commander Yes
Remote Control Included (Steering wheel)

It also have 31 band digital equalizer.

It is actually a worthy HU, ONLY if you pair it with an amp.

But P80-PRS is actually more than enough, for most.

most cars install amp under front seat. cheaper as shorter length power/grounding cables, shorter length speaker cables, shorter RCA..hence u can go for better cables as opposed to local/china brand.
kow tim!!.. P99 + amp + front speakers + optional active sub under front driver seat.. results: u will love ur ride even more!!

to further improve NVH the car, damp the cabin floor + roof + doors + noise barrier + foam all pillars and door sills..
superb car to drive!! if budget permits!

change to quieter and better all rounder tyres. ask quazacolt. he expert!!

cabin lights, changed to white LED
custom floormats with logo..thicker and wont slip
3M tint - for superb optical clarity + heat rejection
Gzoz the car for exterior protection
Install Air Ionizer, MedKlinn automotive

dats a nice project! hehe


This post has been edited by carcrazy: Mar 22 2012, 02:09 PM

where got expert, baru learning study etc.

and yeah my amp is under my passenger seat, and cabin lights changed to white LED at Howie, loving it a ton, even my family member also said nice

Ini you teach ppl to mod car to love ICE??