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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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post Oct 11 2012, 01:22 AM

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QUOTE(harrychoo @ Oct 10 2012, 10:47 PM)
that amno guy tok kok only la, he know nth can change BNM decision and action, so he try to gain popularity by 'helping' them to voice out to BNM.
he showed the investors at least he try to help them
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and bro, you forgot that election is coming soon. UMNO helping hands is just political gimmicks. How often you see UMNO supporting chinese? because most of the Genneva investors are chinese.
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post Oct 11 2012, 03:40 AM

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QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 11 2012, 01:07 AM)
Speaking from personal experience, I can confidently state that BNM expects their statements to tally every day. If any one of their figures differs by even 1 cent, there will be hell to pay.

I don't expect it to be any different with the banks. You want to siphon something? Not as easy as you think.
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Totally agree with you mate....If you can't balance the books for the day, you are expected to stay back till everything is matched up and tallied based on experience.....

I pity some of those genneva investors.....when this genneva thing was starting about 2 years ago, some of them invited me and willing to pay a seat for me to listen to their business plan and investment scheme.....i just asked them one thing, what is their business model?...then they kept replying its a trade secret and other blue ocean BS.....they even claim that the Hibah is tax free and exempted since it is a gift....and I warned many of them about the risk, yet greed overrules them all.
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post Oct 11 2012, 03:45 AM

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Geneva supporter still in denial?
Or perhaps they invest lots of money into it until they refuse to believe it were scams.

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“Such schemes are not sustainable because the returns promised are not funded through gold trading, but from the monies invested into such schemes.

“Prior to the joint raids, it has been noticed that these companies had delayed returning gold or money to the investors within the promised stipulated time.

“Such signs are early warning indications prior to the collapse of such schemes that would result in significant losses to investors.

“These raids were conducted in the interest of protecting the investors as well as the public at large from falling victim to illegal schemes,” the statement said.
Seem like BNM is not only the 1 who doing such raids.

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Singapore's Commercial Affairs Department also conducted a similar operation against Genneva Pte Ltd in the republic on the same day


3 more company have join into the party. laugh.gif

UMNO fags who support geneva invested into it as well. laugh.gif


Added on October 11, 2012, 3:53 am
QUOTE(jeremy0 @ Oct 11 2012, 03:40 AM)
Totally agree with you mate....If you can't balance the books for the day, you are expected to stay back till everything is matched up and tallied based on experience.....

I pity some of those genneva investors.....when this genneva thing was starting about 2 years ago, some of them invited me and willing to pay a seat for me to listen to their business plan and investment scheme.....i just asked them one thing, what is their business model?...then they kept replying its a trade secret and other blue ocean BS.....they even claim that the Hibah is tax free and exempted since it is a gift....and I warned many of them about the risk, yet greed overrules them all.
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The funny things is some of them don't even know about investment baskets and investment portfolio is. lolz. laugh.gif

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post Oct 11 2012, 07:18 AM

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Pat Lu will be on BFM in a shory while
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:24 AM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 11 2012, 07:18 AM)
Pat Lu will be on BFM in a shory while
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someone advise what he comment pls? No radio here.
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:27 AM

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Tun mahatir, not investment , should not raid, send gold for check, 60k ppl total300k ppl affected. Wanna puke nothing new you all know the story
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 10 2012, 08:12 PM)
I am greatly saddened and angry at what they are doing to the real victims of the Genneva scam.
1) Firstly they cheated these people out of their hard earned money
2) Then they use them on their Supporters website to make false accusations against bank negara
3) However the senior CONsultants are very quiet on this Supporters page - even though some of them used to be very active on the internet promoting Genneva even on this forum - they stir up their victims to make malicious accusations while protecting themselves by being "silent"
4) Then today an UMNO politician used these victims to generate publicity by asking them to his office to fill up complaint forms. 1000+ people turned up including a family who came down in a 20 year old van from Sitiawan
It's time to STOP hurting these victims people - GOD is watching. Truly help them by offering them jobs and ways to recover from their losses
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Not all the investors are victims. Some of them are risk takers.

If I remember correctly, DBS sold very well of their Lehman Brother products in Hong Kong. When Lehman collapsed, it affected widely. It ended up with DBS was torelance to compansate their customers. However, those educated or regular investors, were not be compensated.

I watched some youtube clips of feebacks by Genneva customers, they are ex-staff of bank negara and accountants. I don't think they are truely innocent. They are greedy.

The non-educated uncle and aunties are really the victims of Genneva.




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post Oct 11 2012, 07:31 AM

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First question asked was, bank negara official report claim the money or gold in the account does not match whats in the account. Maybe my comprehension not so good, but seems like no clear answer from them
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:33 AM

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The main problem: Greed > All
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post Oct 11 2012, 07:47 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 10 2012, 11:59 PM)

I also skeptical bout public gold 's gold purity.

do they even have a proper gold purity certification?
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Public Gold. ThIS.

One should be aware of what they are buying. When the crunch comes and nonone trust
your gold, you are in trouble!

Buy those well known accreditated bullions like Kijang, AGE, Nuggets,
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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 11 2012, 07:18 AM)
Pat Lu will be on BFM in a shory while
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who the heck is pat lu? never heard of him, one of genneva extremist fanatics?

he probably lost tons of money.....
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post Oct 11 2012, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(bengang13 @ Oct 11 2012, 07:31 AM)
First question asked was, bank negara official report claim the money or gold in the account does not match whats in the account. Maybe my comprehension not so good, but seems like no clear answer from them
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they have given answer already.
quoted from thestar
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“Such schemes are not sustainable because the returns promised are not funded through gold trading, but from the monies invested into such schemes.

“Prior to the joint raids, it has been noticed that these companies had delayed returning gold or money to the investors within the promised stipulated time.

“Such signs are early warning indications prior to the collapse of such schemes that would result in significant losses to investors.

“These raids were conducted in the interest of protecting the investors as well as the public at large from falling victim to illegal schemes,” the statement said.


clear enough?
do note Singapore authorities is also doing the same to Genneva PTE LTD on the same days.
These is a clear indication for all those do not trust BNM. laugh.gif

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Singapore's Commercial Affairs Department also conducted a similar operation against Genneva Pte Ltd in the republic on the same day


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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 11 2012, 07:59 AM)
who the heck is pat lu? never heard of him, one of genneva extremist fanatics?

he probably lost tons of money.....
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I'm not sure if he lost money. But I'm sure since he is CONsultant, a lot of his customer will find him if they don't get back their money. Pat Lu life will be very miserable.
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QUOTE(acougan @ Oct 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...va-gold-buyers/
^this umno guy blaming BNM for not preventing genneva 2.0 after genneva 1.0 ongoing case
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I think the same. BNM and goverment have not done their best to protect public interest. They have not been working hard for that at all, or maybe, they are under pressure of someone not to be aggressive. Recently, BNM took the actuion because they are scare of Genneva customer base has grown up to 60,000.

BNM posted their alert message in their website is called delivering their public responsibility. I don't think so!
BNM should at least advertise regularly a FULL page alert massage in all local English, Malay, Tamil and Chinese newspapers, or even on TV. They have the budget to do that. Now, they even need to spend more money to recover the disaster. They need money for conducting raid, investigation and court cases.

Realized that the way of some Genneva inevstors were talking in clips and responding in forums, how naive of these people about investment. Some countries have already started educating kids in school for money management. This helps on reducing "investment blinds" in the country as a long term solution. What have been done by our goverment on education revolution?

Look at the advetised messages in newspaper by EPF on nomination submission and PIDM on saving protection scheme. I would say these 2 bodies are really executing their public duty very well for educating the nation. They know by just posting their message in their website and waiting for uncle and aunty to visit for reading is not a possible way.













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post Oct 11 2012, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 11 2012, 08:08 AM)
I'm not sure if he lost money. But I'm sure since he is CONsultant, a lot of his customer will find him if they don't get back their money. Pat Lu life will be very miserable.
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Pat lu is female btw, unless Assunta school once allowed male students. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(KentPhan @ Oct 11 2012, 08:09 AM)
I think the same. BNM and goverment have not done their best to protect public interest. They have not been working hard for that at all, or maybe, they are under pressure of someone not to be aggressive. Recently, BNM took the actuion because they are scare of Genneva customer base has grown up to 60,000.
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True. Actually 60,000 people affected can cause damage in the society already. There's ponzi scheme in Albania which affected a whole country where
the ponzi subscriber went riot and the government subsequently falled. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_rebellion_in_Albania

QUOTE(arubin @ Oct 11 2012, 08:12 AM)
Pat lu is female btw, unless Assunta school once allowed male students. sweat.gif
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LOL...
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post Oct 11 2012, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 11 2012, 07:59 AM)
who the heck is pat lu? never heard of him, one of genneva extremist fanatics?

he probably lost tons of money.....
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SHE is a Fanatical CONsultant who used to post all the Genneva DRIVEL here.


Here

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1888957/+60


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It appears some of the CONsultants'/'investors' think spectrocophy can confirm the gold purity.

I think its only able to penetrate nomore than 5mm of the metal.

How?

Theres no sure-er method than assaying by DRILLING
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Oct 11 2012, 08:22 AM)
SHE is a Fanatical CONsultant who used to post all the Genneva DRIVEL here.
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1888957/+60
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It appears some of the CONsultants'/'investors' think spectrocophy can confirm the gold purity.

I think its only able to penetrate nomore than 5mm of the metal.

How? 

Theres no sure-er method than assaying by DRILLING
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Actually non-destructive method can be done with Ultrasound. You know the machine to look at baby?


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what did Pat Lu say on BFM? DJ got tell her its PONZI?
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 11 2012, 08:27 AM)
Actually non-destructive method can be done with Ultrasound. You know the machine to look at baby?


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Hi Ultra sonics will test for CONsistency BUT NOT purity....... biggrin.gif

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