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 GENNEVA MALAYSIA, some facts.., READ and UNDERSTAND

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KentPhan
post Oct 4 2012, 02:51 PM

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Genneva Gold incident is a good lesson learnt for public. I have read many comments and feedbacks by the investors, agents and street public. I realized that generally most of people are lacking the truth knowledge of business and investment. If all these people know the knowledge as good as simple school math's like 1+1=2, this incident never could happen.

The raid is definitely a right move by the respective authorities. They are executing their duty and responsibility which are to prevent the suspicious business from becoming disaster.

As pointed out by many "clear mind" people, the return by Genneva Gold is too good to be truth. The offer is really too good and not easy to resist. It has crossed over the boundary of any ordinary investment plan in term of guaranteed return. A news in Sin Chiew this week was reporting that China's steel entrepreneur complained their earning of selling one ton steel is just equivalent to a simple dinner dish. Could you imagine the challenging in business world to make a profit of more than 10% a year. If you still believe that depositing a sum by earning 25% annually with guarantee is a possible investment plan for long term, I suggest, you need to read more about investsment. Otherwise, you make these entrepreneurs and Warren Buffett look stupid.

There are some defenders, mostly investors or agents, repeatedly saying the company has not in default to any investors since the business operates few years ago. This statement proves that these people are seriously lacking of common sense in investment and business. It is just simple as it is - the problem exists but not yet mature for surface. It takes time. But, it is absolutely sure, the problem definitely surfaces later or sooner. The action from the authorities is to prevent the problem grows too big when it bursts. Otherwise, you can think of the victims are not 60,000 investors, it could go to million investors, if the authorities do not send the clear message to the public. By then, these huge crowd investors would press the government for rescue plan. The plan is basically spending tax payers' money to recover their losses. This is absolutely unfair to all the tax payers. The money is not for rescuing their greedy and wrong investment.

From the facts that I gathered from the media, basically, Genneva Gold is not a pure gold trading company. It is a money game scheme as it introduces buy back and "hibah" . The game can goes on and on until one day the balance sheet is unbalanced for repayment. This happens when the gold price fluctuates too high and the market is saturated from new investments by exiting investors or new investors.

I always like to think of the popular money game - the pyramid. The game sells no product except member fee. Let say, a member enrolls by paying RM1,000. He introduces 5 members by getting bonus of RM1,500. He makes profit of RM500 happily. His bottom line members do the same. This pyramid is spreading widely. The company has no problem of paying as their collection is more than payout. But, one day, new members counts are insufficient to sustain the payment, the pyramid is collapsed.

This explains Genneva Gold is still able to fulfill their payout promises as of the raid. However, the hidden is that the risk of payment default grows day by day as well. It is like blowing a balloon without stopping. The balloon is definitely burst.

If the blowing balloon can go indefinitely, all the business and investment theories and concepts have to be re-written again. All the professors in Harvard school have to be re-trained their expertise.
KentPhan
post Oct 4 2012, 04:01 PM

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Absolutely right!

The gold sold by Genneva is added with 20-30% premium. This premium in fact is MEMBER FEE.


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post Oct 4 2012, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(celicaizpower @ Oct 4 2012, 03:59 PM)
Honestly, if everyone follows P. Gunasegaram style... even the normal insurance agent, real estate agent and ... also die because cannot make a living.
Source? macam takleh caya je...
Dude, please see below image, you might want to consider back what you just said about them. Honestly, I don't see the scamming anywhere. Perhaps someone can enlighten me.

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You buy RM10,000 gold. They promised to pay you "hibah" of RM750 (assumes 2.5 monthly hibah) after 3 months and you are given option sell the gold to them with mutual agreed price of RM10,000.

This means they borrow RM10K from you for 3 months and paying you with RM750 interest , which equally to 30% annuity.

This business is clean if:

Genneva uses your RM10K to make profit of more than RM750 within 3 months. They can use your money for any investments or any business operations so long the return is more than 30% annuity. Let say, they make 40% profit anuuity. After paying you, Genneva retains 10% profit as their profit and also paying for admin operating cost and agent fees.

I don't see any logic problem of this business model in fact.

BUT, what is the possibility of making 40% annuity profit consistantly? IT IS SO DIFFICULT TO DO IT IN BUSINESS WORLD!!!!!!! Don't read only the success stories, do read the failure business stories. The world statistic shows that 80% of business are failed. Talk to anybodu who runs the business before to get the fact. Don't talk to the successors only, as they areonly monority.

THUS, how Genneva makes the profit to substain their bussiness. Can they invest money better Warren Buffett as this rich guy is only can get 18-20% annuity return. Dare you say Warren Buffett is a non performance investor?

I know you believe Genneva says in their website that they have a good team who has 100 years experience of gold management business. Does this means that this team can earn better than Warren Buffett. If so, you really make Warren Buffett look STUPID!!!

Hope, you can see the problem here clearly!!!











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post Oct 4 2012, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Oct 4 2012, 04:33 PM)
On last recall they only promise 1.5% per month not 2 %
thus it is just 18% per annum.
The scheme can work if gold price goes up > 18% per annum.
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Even, 18% is damp hard to achieve.
Do you know that 90% of share investors are losing money? This is also a world statistic you can find simply from the net.

Still back to the question, how Genneva makes more than 18%?

Gold is rising now, can it drops tomorrow?


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post Oct 4 2012, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(stormaker @ Oct 4 2012, 04:34 PM)
to add to KentPhan point ...

Genneva don't have license to do investment.
http://www.gennevaworld.com.my/index.php/faqs/
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Worst! they are not allowed to invest.

How they make the money to pay for hibah? Just hope the gold price is rising to RM1,000,0000,0000,0000 per gram without dropping.

Think here - they are promised to buy back the gold with the agreed price. They are packaging it as derivative product. Selling options for future. This is a extream high risk in investment game.
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post Oct 4 2012, 11:40 PM

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QUOTE(AUGUST777 @ Oct 4 2012, 11:25 PM)
i'm not out to convince anybody........i go paranoid with bloggers who don't talk with rational and yet they act like they know everything. You are right, raid on suspicion will apply to all, it is a tool with absolute power. It can shut down any business, ANY. And i am sure you know the implication. We cannot say it cannot happen to you, cos if you are a gold trader, it may come to you. The legislation following this case will set in motion future controls which may not be very pleasant for gold traders and gold shops. This case is a steeping stone to controls, Like I said, if you check on the inside page of yesterday's star report, you will get a clue. The writing is on the wll. Still some bloggers bla bla bla like a blind sheep. Just like USA's "war on terror". With that policy, it can eliminate countries which they suspect to have terrorist and declare war on it. This is absolute power unlimited. MLM can be scam. So, what cannot be scam. Ppl do a calculation using simple arithmatic, wow they know already it is scam. Try using arithmatic and calculate how MLM does it pay out, wow, it looks like scam too. No no no, business model with simple arithmetic are for std 6 scammers. No one will reveal what is their strategy but will say only those that are obvious. Don't be naive it is only the 25% mark up that Genneva does over spot...everybody knows that. Even gold smith shop does the same except of 25% maybe lower. Anyone can see this. Geneva business model is more than that. You ask an actuary about this.........do a computer simulation then you can know whether workable or not. It is not a night's work on our pc and bingo, it won't last, it won't last, it is ponzi, it is scam and wait, no, it is a bird, oh no it is dog bird and so on, crying wolf wolf and bigger wolf. It's unbelievable how people blog!  sad.gif  sad.gif  smile.gif  smile.gif
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Relax! you are really emotional now! You can't think properly.

Get a shower and then go for some nice drinks. Put yourself in a different angle to see this matter.

You may see the truth. Hopefully!

Emotional can't help, especially on money matter.


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post Oct 4 2012, 11:56 PM

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QUOTE(scorpio55 @ Oct 4 2012, 05:42 PM)
Hi Kent Phan,
Your MATHS suffer a serious fundamental flaw.
You invest $10,000. Markup is 25%. Thus 8,000 used to buy gold. 2,000 left for investment.
2.5% for 3 mths = 750. But you must earn the 750 with only 2,000 net cash.
What should be the actual ROI needed to sustain the pyramid??????????
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Many thanks for the correction.

Earlier I thought that investor is required to surrender their gold for exchange the contract to earn the hibah. If so, Genneva can re-cycle the gold as an investment fund. Otherwise, you are absolutely right. RM750 ROI from RM2K capital in 3 months, which means the actual annuity is 150%.

Wow!!!!! This is a Tai Yi Long (loan shark) business model. Pinjam 2K, interest charges 3K per year. Like that, all Genneva investors are Tai Yi Long.





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post Oct 5 2012, 08:04 AM

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If I run the government, I would legalize the Ponzi schme. With the requirement of the company must tag their products with ponzi scheme clearly to the public. All investors are required to sign a declare statement, which declares that they are fully understand the risk of the schme, and never hope for goverment to rescure when their purchased Ponzi schmen is collapsed.

In fact, if you compare ponzi scheme with betting schmes by Genting cashino or 4D or Magnum, I would say the risk of losing all capital ponzi scheme has the best protection among them.

WHATSOEVER, DONT USE TAX PAYER'S MONEY TO RESCURE SUCH HIGH RISK INVESTMENT PRODUCT WHEN UNFAVOR SITUATION HAPPENS!!!!

Let say, the investigation from BNM confirms that the account of Genneva is seriuosly unbalanced, and Genneva has no way to recover fully the delivery/deposited golds or outstanding hibah. You can imagine the ending would be by the goverment:

1. Goverment step in to recover the losses using our paid tax money. If this happens, I will demand government to recover my invested betting losses in buying 4D.

2. Goverment allows Genneva continues the business. By then, Genneva can fill the outsanding gap by "cheating" the new incoming investing money. Malaysia has 28 million population which unlikely can sustain the life of Genneva too long. Thus, Genneva must aggressively expanding their business in China as 1.3 billion can last a liitle bit longer. Maybe, Genneva collapses in 2020 as a joint marking of Malaysia becomes a developed country......Why? Dr Mahathir is the opening VIP for Genneva, and vision 2020 is the baby of him as well.

3. Goverment stands firm on "YOU MATI YOU PUNYA PASAH! SAYA PUN TAK ADA DUIT NAK TOLONG!"


I support the option 3. Sorry, Genneva investors.




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post Oct 5 2012, 06:46 PM

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QUOTE(merce @ Oct 5 2012, 02:57 PM)
look what i found!!!!

http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=..._ref_map=%5B%5D
Genneva, a new age biz model

I HAVE been an entrepreneur and business consultant for over 18 years and have had the chance to study and formulate hundreds of business plans and financial models for various global brand multinational corporations (MNCs), SMEs as well as governments all over the world.

I am also an active investor and have invested my own money in a myriad of investment products and trading systems for over 15 years.

About two-and-a-half years ago, I was introduced to Genneva Malaysia’s business model.

The business model of Genneva is truly revolutionary, innovative and true to its spirit – a blue-ocean business strategy.
These are the same principles that our current Malaysian Government wants us to practise and build on.

The 24% to 36% returns that Genneva Malaysia offers is achievable because its underlying asset is physical gold bullion, plus Genneva Malaysia has an innovative system to generate even greater returns as a company.

Getting a return of +25% per annum with an upside of around +40% is possible with several trading and hedging systems.

It profits from every gram of gold they sell to clients at retail prices. Combined with the increasing price of gold plus with the hedging systems I just indicated, giving 24% to 36% every year is possible.

Genneva Malaysia’s business model is not a ponzi scheme and it’s definitely not a get-rich-quick scheme. Its business model is called a Wealth Sharing Platform, because that is what Genneva truly does. It shares its profit (and wealth) with its clients.

Genneva Malaysia’s biz is the new age biz model.

And what started as a Buatan Malaysia, five years ago, has since grown into one of the leading gold bullion traders across Asia with businesses in Singapore, the Philippines, Hong Kong and China (where Genneva has a 30-year operating licence in Beijing).

Anything new takes time to understand and lots of resistance to change, especially when there are incumbents whose business will be affected by such change and new models.

We, the customers, are truly grateful there is a Genneva Malaysia.

You may kill Genneva, but another will rise tomorrow with the same proven business model. It’s a matter of time that the banks and financial institutions will need to also adjust and change with the times.

KIM MENG
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not sure if he is a forumer in LYN... but 15 years of investments experience and he still cant tell how a ponzi scheme looks like, i really dunno what to say...

really a sad case. doh.gif
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This is a nonsense from the above mentioned consultant. I was a member of director board in a multi-national company for many years. I run a business with Sdn Bhd registration as well. I read so many business plans and company performance reports. I had participated in uncountable business growth workshops in oversea. My experience concluded that 24%-36% ROI can only be achieved once in a blue moon. It is meaningless for taking it as average. Nobody dares to run legitimate business based on that target.

I always like to say - Warren Buffett makes 18%-20% average ROI for his more than 50 years investment life.

Ask this question to yourself - Who are you? Can you do something better than Warren Buffett?

Usain Bolt is the fastest runner in the world. He scored 9.63 seconds in his 100m in Olympic 2012. 9.63 seconds is the benchmark for today's human being in the world. Do you believe in someone says he can run less than 9.63 seconds?

Similarly, the achievement by Warren Buffett has already became an benchmark in investment field. Don't simply say you can do better than him.

If you have this benchmark in your mind, many investment traps will be avoided.














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post Oct 6 2012, 07:37 AM

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 6 2012, 01:11 AM)
This was a comment made by Richard Chew on the Genneva Support group Facebook site which got deleted within a few minutes. I like to share his comment because I found that he explained the whole Scam very well.

"I can understand all the frustration that is being aired here. And it appears Genneva has been deliverying what they promised but forced to freeze their activities. .

However let me explain my view on the technical flaw in this scheme that warrants BNM to take such drastic action. My intention of giving my view is to help enlightened and hopefully will help many here to ask the right questions and direct it to the right party.

In any trading; there must be willing buyer & seller for a transaction to take place at a price agreeable by both parties. The seller will profit from the transaction and the buyer will receive the goods / service. Very clear cut exchange.

However in this scheme, technically the seller do not 'realized' its profit yet from the transaction because there is a contractual obligation that a monthly 'gift' of 2-3% is given to the buyer and the buyer has the option to sell back the gold at the original purchased price. In this aspect, the seller's obligations to the buyer becomes a Liability to the seller. To put it in another words, it is the buyer that will receive the profits rather than the seller in this transaction scheme.

Therefore technically this transaction scheme cannot be deemed as trading because the seller doesn't profit from the goods sold. If it is not trading then where does this lead to?

My next statement may sound absurd and may anger many of you here but please bear with me. My intention is to explain so we can have better judgement & help us understand why Bank Negara has to step in and take drastic measure.

I am saying this scheme is not trading because it is more inclined to money lending business which must be regulated under our Malaysia law. Yes, I just said it; this Genneva scheme is basically a money lending scheme misrepresented as gold trading scheme.

How can this be? You may say there is a sales purchase agreement and gold transacted then how can this be money lending? If its money lending scheme then who is lending to who?

In this scheme, you are the lender. Genneva is the borrower. You bear the financial risk, in return Genneva pays you the monthly interest as we know it as Hibah. At the end of the loan contract, Genneva returns the money to you. During the contract, you keep the gold bar as your collateral if in the event Genneva fails to pay; you don't loose the full amount lent to Genneva.

If the deal is purely buy & sell with no contractual obligation; then it is clear curlt trading because seller profits and buyer keep the goods. But if there is a contractual obligations for monthly interest & buy back then it is surely money lending, the gold serves as the collateral; the lender profits and the borrower bears the liability.

This issuance of collateral gold is somewhat similar to companies issuing bonds to raise fund from the public. Bonds are meticulously regulated by Securities Commission & Bank Negara because it has to be secured against the company assets such as properties and etc.

The problem with Genneva is that they are not regulated and when they have more buyers (lenders) they are actually increasing the liabilities of the company while profit is not realized yet.

For a typical trading company, the more customers; the more goods trade out, the more profits realized. Clear cut profit realization. For example RM 1 billion of gold sold would generate certain amount of profit based on the profit margin.

However Genneva's scheme, the more gold sold the more liability it creates for the company because of the obligations to buy back and pay the monthly gift. Therefore Bank Negara had to step in to ensure things are in order and to prevent it to get out of control. A small complaint would suffice to fuel the urgency for drastic action.

It is harsh but neccesary."
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Excellent description! rclxms.gif

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post Oct 9 2012, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 9 2012, 10:36 AM)
Hi celicaizpower

I heard some customer already threaten their CONsultant. Did your buddy been threatened yet? Better run la. Coz the shit is going to hit the fan soon.  drool.gif
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Lim Kong Sang .....Genneva management and my upline, please note though my cheque cleared on 28 Aug 2012 over for 1 month plus but yet I have not received neither your Gold Bar or Hibah. Therefore please advise me how much of faith do I have to put in ? Do I have to open my heart for u to see...my faith & trust. I have taken all the steps such as send 3 personal email to PM office, call BNM & etc but in vain. Please do no challenge a person whose money is hard earned. YOU DO NOT WISH TO SEE A LION ROAR ! YOU WILL REGRET !

13 hours ago

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This msg was extracted from http://www.facebook.com/notes/genneva-gold...388378461233682.

Faith losing among investors are getting in spreading .... the more comments they read from others .... they will be back to real world from their dreaming world!!!

Don't invest something you are not ware of. Any ROI which is 5% better than ordinary FD, you have to be careful and understand its risk very well. I have been investing at part time basis for more than 20 years....my average ROI is 6%. I am not a lazy investor. I do a lot of study, analysis and follow up of investments. That much I can accomplish. Maybe, I am stupid, not as clever as Genneva investors.





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post Oct 9 2012, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(kuekwee @ Oct 9 2012, 04:51 PM)
6% p.a. ROI is very conservative. You can take abit more risk to gain more.


Added on October 9, 2012, 4:56 pm
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Thanks for your feedback. I don't mind sharing with you my shame investment experience.

In the past 20 years, my investments are really diversified, which including properties, shares in Bursa and SGX, unit trusts, insurance saving, foreign FDs, FDs, saving, gold saving from MBB and Singapore UOB, AS1M, newly acquiring perpertual bonds of Genting Singapore and also, Forex via FXCM.

I have made some big money and also, losing some big money. Overall, plus and minus, as per my excel records, the past 20 years returns me with around 6% average annuity. This is as good as the EPF dividend declared in last year.

Why not, put all the money into EPF or AS1M, rather works so hard for all kinds of investments. cry.gif

That why my eye is so RED when knowing Genneva investors were earning 25% annuity. They make me look so stupid!!!



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post Oct 9 2012, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(merce @ Oct 9 2012, 05:50 PM)
its always good to diversified, but too much could bring down the house if u r not careful.  sweat.gif

anyhow 6% annuity, with vast experiences in diversified investment method... ok lah. i wish i have time to learn all of it.  tongue.gif

makes me jelly at ur experiences. haha!!  thumbup.gif
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If not, my capital gains from few properties have been gone up reasonably good last few years. That pulling up the overall investments gain. Otherwise, my 20 years average annuity would be even more ugly.... mana ada 6%.....

..........susah....oh! investment......

As per Gogo2 saying, once Genneva has passed the health test, he will join. I am also ready to move in with big big sum.

That why I am so interested in Genneva news. Genneva is my dreaming Gold Mill....but, provided Genneva is not sick.


Added on October 9, 2012, 6:30 pm
QUOTE(Dan01 @ Oct 9 2012, 06:04 PM)
Did you lose money from the forex trade? I dare not go into forex, one thing got to compete with all the hotshots or the big fund managers at new york and london who are privy to or at least gets information much faster that us in malaysia.
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As of today, I short around USD450, after 1 year plus trading. I am in learning stage. I trade with macro pips, but using meta4 platform. Prior that, I have spent almost 1 year for finding "comfortable" Forex broker and learning Forex from books, net sites and forex forums.

This thread is for Genneva. Sorry, I can't share with you much on Forex stuff. In short, trading Forex is like driving sport car. If you know the driving technique well, you are little bit more safe. Otherwise, mati pun tak tahu apa sah!!! That all I can share with yoiu.

Good luck!



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post Oct 10 2012, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(serenity22 @ Oct 9 2012, 09:20 PM)
Hey guys, no need to be so righteous and scold me!!! If you are intelligent and din get involved...then kudos to you!! But have a heart for those who dont have money nor gold in hand!! I know many ppl who are affected personally so i hope BNM will rtn to the customers what is theirs.

I accept everyone's opinions but the customers deserve answers whether good or bad!! Can we all agree on that??

BNM shud come up with their report once and for all and then no more speculation. They froze  the previous company as well as many other companies on suspicions of whatever and no news after that?? So what happen to all the gold and $$$?? Who gains the interest on this after so many years??  Can anyone answer that??
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In a civilized society, no one is allowed to earn something illegally by whatsoever reasons.

You can't rob, steal, smuggling, cheat for money because your kids at home are hungry for die.

Similary, you cannot invest into Genneva for the same reason if you know Genneva is an illegal company.

Try to think below:

1. You invest into a company which is trafiicking drugs. Your money is used to buy drugs to spoilt someone. Are you happy with your huge profit?

2. You invest into a company which is stealing cars. Your money is used to employ thieves to steal cars and share the profit with you. Happy?

3. You invest into a company which is running assassinate business. Your money is to employ killers to kill someone for profit making. What do you think when you receive such money?

4. You invest into a loan shark (Tai Yi Long) company. Are you happy too by using your money to buy paint for pouring people house?

Do not ever think of Genneva case is not serious as above extream examples. Genneva has already now affected 60,000 inevestors and consultants. If Genneva business is a ponzi scheme and let the business continues, do you know Genneva will bring how many people and family into a very dangerous situation. These people are going to lose their whole life saving.

Ponzi sccheme as many forumers explained here, ultimately, the base will lose everthing once the structure is unsubstainable. Yes, there are someone earn the money earlier, but, their money basically are from those at the base who lose everything.

Those lose the money will.....commit suicide, die because blood pressure and heart attack, folks lost their coffin money, some lost their medication and education saving.......

Would you happy for your earned money which has screwed up some one and their family?

Could you sleep everynight happily by putting your earned ponzi scheme money underneath your pillow?

THEREFORE, BNM must ensure Genneva is running legitimate business before their business cake grows too big.

My comment to BNM and goverment is that they take action too slow and do not educate public correctly for investments.











































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post Oct 10 2012, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(zoff @ Oct 10 2012, 11:44 AM)
I have always wondered about ASB. 8% year after year, in good times and bad times. Redemption s are always less than subscription year after year for the fund. Also dividends are paid in units rather than cash. So there is never a cash flow problem. There is no mutual fund in the world that can more or less guarantee a ROI of 8% pa even when markets crash. This is the best investment in the world quite the same returns as Bernard Madoff's return of 10% average on his funds.
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Absolutely! your suspecion is sense.

In fact, ASB=EPF=Genneva are in the same "super wonder category" company. The only differences are ASB and EPF are legal enity and distributing less return compares to Genneva. Their ability of generating incomes is unbelievable from business sense.

These companies can pay hibah or dividend without affecting by global economy and valatility of the markets. They are the best of the best among investment houses in the world.
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post Oct 10 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(KamikazePg @ Oct 10 2012, 12:39 PM)
New way to spot a CON-job.

if rosmah or dr. M appear in their CON-vention, definitely a CON-job!
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Sometimes, I really disappointed with all the local medias about thier professional and responsibility to public.

Why no medias are contacting Dr.M and Rosmah for comments? This is the most interesting news people is waiting for.

I know no medias are gut to do that as for sake of their license.

I like to watch news channel from Taiwan like TVBS and CTI. Their professional of reporting public interest news are so details and in full coverage despite sometimes their reports affected by individual political view.








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post Oct 11 2012, 07:28 AM

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QUOTE(terry8 @ Oct 10 2012, 08:12 PM)
I am greatly saddened and angry at what they are doing to the real victims of the Genneva scam.
1) Firstly they cheated these people out of their hard earned money
2) Then they use them on their Supporters website to make false accusations against bank negara
3) However the senior CONsultants are very quiet on this Supporters page - even though some of them used to be very active on the internet promoting Genneva even on this forum - they stir up their victims to make malicious accusations while protecting themselves by being "silent"
4) Then today an UMNO politician used these victims to generate publicity by asking them to his office to fill up complaint forms. 1000+ people turned up including a family who came down in a 20 year old van from Sitiawan
It's time to STOP hurting these victims people - GOD is watching. Truly help them by offering them jobs and ways to recover from their losses
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Not all the investors are victims. Some of them are risk takers.

If I remember correctly, DBS sold very well of their Lehman Brother products in Hong Kong. When Lehman collapsed, it affected widely. It ended up with DBS was torelance to compansate their customers. However, those educated or regular investors, were not be compensated.

I watched some youtube clips of feebacks by Genneva customers, they are ex-staff of bank negara and accountants. I don't think they are truely innocent. They are greedy.

The non-educated uncle and aunties are really the victims of Genneva.




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post Oct 11 2012, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(acougan @ Oct 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...va-gold-buyers/
^this umno guy blaming BNM for not preventing genneva 2.0 after genneva 1.0 ongoing case
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I think the same. BNM and goverment have not done their best to protect public interest. They have not been working hard for that at all, or maybe, they are under pressure of someone not to be aggressive. Recently, BNM took the actuion because they are scare of Genneva customer base has grown up to 60,000.

BNM posted their alert message in their website is called delivering their public responsibility. I don't think so!
BNM should at least advertise regularly a FULL page alert massage in all local English, Malay, Tamil and Chinese newspapers, or even on TV. They have the budget to do that. Now, they even need to spend more money to recover the disaster. They need money for conducting raid, investigation and court cases.

Realized that the way of some Genneva inevstors were talking in clips and responding in forums, how naive of these people about investment. Some countries have already started educating kids in school for money management. This helps on reducing "investment blinds" in the country as a long term solution. What have been done by our goverment on education revolution?

Look at the advetised messages in newspaper by EPF on nomination submission and PIDM on saving protection scheme. I would say these 2 bodies are really executing their public duty very well for educating the nation. They know by just posting their message in their website and waiting for uncle and aunty to visit for reading is not a possible way.













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post Oct 11 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Oct 11 2012, 09:11 AM)
u can sleep well meh? not afraid people rob u? Genneva say better keep in their place wor... can get extra 0.5%..  user posted image

[meant to attack Genneva  laugh.gif ]
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Genneva offers warehouse storage andsecurity service for your gold and pay you with 0.5% incentive. They serve you and yet give you money. Won't people see the trick?

How much Genneva is willing to pay me if I let them storing my used broken socks?

I remember few years ago when I just started depositing some gold investment via gold saving account of UOB Singapore. This bank charges yearly management fee. I argue with them and received the explanation of they sell gold with very mild adjustment from spot price. The management fee is the on going fee for admin and storage of the inevsted gold. They need money to rent the storage and secure the gold.

SEE !!! this is a real business sense.

How come Genneva stores and secures the gold for you, and yet pay you. Unlese, Genneva is a thief.


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post Oct 11 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(scorpio55 @ Oct 11 2012, 09:57 AM)
Hey Kent, You are unfair to BNM.
They did advertise full page advert warning, daily, alternately in Star and NST, over 7 to 9 days.
You did not read the papers?
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Thanks for the clearification. True, I seldom read other than Chinese newspaper.

However, I still say, they have not done the good work as EPF and PIDM. Both have advertised their message regularly in Chinese newspaper. BNM has to ensure their alerts are penetrating all levels.



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