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post Mar 13 2012, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(athlonmax @ Mar 12 2012, 12:23 PM)
i dont think our players is lack of talents,it's their mentality on becoming a professional player that are missing.
its all in the mind,and playing in the local league also doesnt help that much on their professionalism and dedication to becoming a better player.
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I share your sentiment. Foreign players and coaches have all said one thing in common, that our players have the ability and skill. However, there is doubt over their mental strength. I'm not merely referring to onfield circumstances e.g. going a goal down. I'm referring to environmental factors such as being exposed and having to adapt to an entirely different culture, food, language, weather, customs and living conditions. I'm talking about having the discipline to train harder, to watch their diets, etc. Recent history would suggest that our lads cannot do so. Everyone who has been sent away on stints, has wanted to come back citing a preference to stay local.

I for one think that Fahmy is good enough to play abroad and I don't mean in countries like Cambodia or Vietnam. However I have doubts over his ability to acclimatize. My colleague works closely with KAFA and meets the Kelantanese players often enough. They are almost all very reserved, shy and are uncomfortable in social situations. How then can they adapt to being on foreign soil? Safie is another one but then Indonesia isn't that different from Malaysia culturally.
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post Mar 13 2012, 03:06 PM

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If Lim Teong Kim, Zainal Abidin Hassan, Dollah Salleh or Serbegeth Singh was 20 years younger, we have a strong team.
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QUOTE(shiver @ Mar 13 2012, 03:06 PM)
If Lim Teong Kim, Zainal Abidin Hassan, Dollah Salleh or Serbegeth Singh was 20 years younger, we have a strong team.
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Aye we had a strong team back then even after our Golden Era. We had our version of David Seaman in goal I.e. Khairul Azman. Other solid players were Ismail Ibrahim, Azizol Abu Hannifah, the Kinta Express I.e. P.Ravindran, Yap Wai Loon and P.Somasundram.
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post Mar 13 2012, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(nanamiwashio @ Mar 13 2012, 04:51 PM)
cibei heklain ni..pantang dicabar terus digoogle nye
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Added on March 13, 2012, 9:42 pm
QUOTE(Duke Red @ Mar 13 2012, 02:29 PM)
I share your sentiment. Foreign players and coaches have all said one thing in common, that our players have the ability and skill. However, there is doubt over their mental strength. I'm not merely referring to onfield circumstances e.g. going a goal down. I'm referring to environmental factors such as being exposed and having to adapt to an entirely different culture, food, language, weather, customs and living conditions. I'm talking about having the discipline to train harder, to watch their diets, etc. Recent history would suggest that our lads cannot do so. Everyone who has been sent away on stints, has wanted to come back citing a preference to stay local.

I for one think that Fahmy is good enough to play abroad and I don't mean in countries like Cambodia or Vietnam. However I have doubts over his ability to acclimatize. My colleague works closely with KAFA and meets the Kelantanese players often enough. They are almost all very reserved, shy and are uncomfortable in social situations. How then can they adapt to being on foreign soil? Safie is another one but then Indonesia isn't that different from Malaysia culturally.
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Maybe that's because it's in our culture, especially the Islamic ones? ( I notice that the more reserved Kelantanese are the ones who are most Islamic in nature ). Hadith : Malu itu separuh daripada iman. But dont let it be a hindrance in our careers...

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Hmm maybe and maybe not. I mean Fandi Ahmad from Singapore plied his trade overseas for a bit.
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post Mar 13 2012, 10:16 PM

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i once argue with duke red abt his ' avoidness' to support NT

but i do agree with his points.

will you venture out to other places when u're well paid here? of course not.

safee alone is not enough to spur the other talents to go find some playing time outside the land.


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post Mar 13 2012, 11:25 PM

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the thing about malaysian football is, if they have all that intelectual inteligence needed to adapt to foreign place to begin with, then they wont be a footballer in the first place....

to be fair, a lot of good footballers in europe have trouble to adapt to other environment and influence their game also...

for now, i think the practical way for us to get the best out of young talents instead of them fizzling out alone in foreign land is to send them abroad in group so that they have more support group as a cushion to live in foreign land... that way, they not only improve individually, but also learn how to tackle the teams with higher standard as a group...
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post Mar 14 2012, 09:11 AM

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and the players need to have some kind of english classes....

it's a pain to hear their english.....
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post Mar 14 2012, 09:15 AM

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'malu separuh dari iman'? 1st time i heard of it

religion should not be reason for you to not do anything. people (wrong)interpretation of religion usually does that

if there's chance for Apek to go to Japan, he should do it. he already looks like them biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Mar 11 2012, 08:14 AM)
hoping Safee's achievement (of being malaysia's first footballing millionaire) would spark the urge for local players to go overseas too
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meh. I dun think so....they prefer to stay here and enjoice nasik lemak than going oversea..
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I think the problem with our football is that everyone worships the ground EPL / European football walks on. Everyone wants our boys to play in EPL / Europe when we should be looking east instead. I think encouraging our footballers to go to J-League or A-League should be up for consideration.
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QUOTE(menj @ Mar 15 2012, 05:10 PM)
I think the problem with our football is that everyone worships the ground EPL / European football walks on. Everyone wants our boys to play in EPL / Europe when we should be looking east instead. I think encouraging our footballers to go to J-League or A-League should be up for consideration.
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kita buka thread baru bincang pasal program pembangunan pemain muda jepun ni..
camne diaorang boleh jadi kuasa bola sepak #1 di asia

tunggu jap.. nak kumpul bahan dulu

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post Mar 16 2012, 03:37 PM

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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 16 2012, 02:54 PM)
kita buka thread baru bincang pasal program pembangunan pemain muda jepun ni..
camne diaorang boleh jadi kuasa bola sepak #1 di asia

tunggu jap.. nak kumpul bahan dulu
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Jom, join aku. Kita bentuk think tank group for youth development, boleh jugak kalau nak jadi pressure group for our football establisments. Nanti kita buat betul2...
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QUOTE(hack3line @ Mar 16 2012, 02:54 PM)
kita buka thread baru bincang pasal program pembangunan pemain muda jepun ni..
camne diaorang boleh jadi kuasa bola sepak #1 di asia

tunggu jap.. nak kumpul bahan dulu
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Yes, please make that thread happen! I love reading quality post.
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post Mar 16 2012, 06:34 PM

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QUOTE(aressandro10 @ Mar 13 2012, 11:25 PM)
the thing about malaysian football is, if they have all that intelectual inteligence needed to adapt to foreign place to begin with, then they wont be a footballer in the first place....

to be fair, a lot of good footballers in europe have trouble to adapt to other environment and influence their game also...

for now, i think the practical way for us to get the best out of young talents instead of them fizzling out alone in foreign land is to send them abroad in group so that they have more support group as a cushion to live in foreign land... that way, they not only improve individually, but also learn how to tackle the teams with higher standard as a group...
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Ariff (19years old)

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Faril & Fandi (22 & 24) siblings.

these 3 fler went to NZ for some low end football trials/ teams.

Ariff with Ole Academy & the other 2 for AFC Gisborne.

for me it's not the matter whether they can make the cut to become a good national-level player.

the mentality to go there. play football.get some experiences are the most vital thing. i dont care whether they can become the next mat yo or fadhli sas...or even maybe FAM league level only.
but gotta applauded their efforts to go there for the sake of passion.

these 3 didnt go to NZ becoz of study etc etc..only football.
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if we keep on having the 'wait FAM let them do it for us' , 10 years from now we will still be here.

it's sad when players like wan zack/ wan zaharulnizam did not have any proper agent or manager that can bring them to these countries.
i can assure you if it stays like this.. nazmi will end up as harimau muda captain/player even for the next olympic qualifier.
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QUOTE(nanamiwashio @ Mar 16 2012, 06:34 PM)
user posted image

Ariff (19years old)

user posted image

Faril & Fandi (22 & 24) siblings.

these 3 fler went to NZ for some low end football trials/ teams.

Ariff with Ole Academy & the other 2 for AFC Gisborne.

for me it's not the matter whether they can make the cut to become a good national-level player.

the mentality to go there. play football.get some experiences are the most vital thing. i dont care whether they can become the next mat yo or fadhli sas...or even maybe FAM league level only.
but gotta applauded their efforts to go there for the sake of passion.

these 3 didnt go to NZ becoz of study etc etc..only football.
nod.gif

if we keep on having the 'wait FAM let them do it for us' , 10 years from now we will still be here.

it's sad when players like wan zack/ wan zaharulnizam did not have any proper agent or manager that can bring them to these countries.
i can assure you if it stays like this.. nazmi will end up as harimau muda captain/player even for the next olympic qualifier.
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i knew from somewhere that these 3 lads gone to Oceania plying their trade by own initiative to be better players in a broad sense.
Except with Ariff who sponsored by Mister Potato and sum amount by FAS, the two siblings Faril and Fandi simply gone to NZ using their own pocket money while looking for a job there. I guess lady luck is with them when both of them playing together as first eleven with AFC Grisborne City. They were not only playing as first starter but shone as talisman of the club. Fandi for example does not looked back when he became the club golden boot!
Now,they are spending time with their family in malaysia due to the league break and maybe during april or may,they will travel to Europe to attend trials with few clubs there.
I wish to both best of luck! With their good attitude,spirits and perseverance, only time will tell when will Malaysian breed could break the Europe football market.


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QUOTE(am_7riel @ Mar 18 2012, 07:25 PM)
i knew from somewhere that these 3 lads gone to Oceania plying their trade by own initiative to be better players in a broad sense.
Except with Ariff who sponsored by Mister Potato and sum amount by FAS, the two siblings Faril and Fandi simply gone to NZ using their own pocket money while looking for a job there. I guess lady luck is with them when both of them playing together as first eleven with AFC Grisborne City. They were not only playing as first starter but shone as talisman of the club. Fandi for example does not looked back when he became the club golden boot!
Now,they are spending time with their family in malaysia due to the league break and maybe during april or may,they will travel to Europe to attend trials with few clubs there.
I wish to both best of luck! With their good attitude,spirits and perseverance, only time will tell when will Malaysian breed could break the Europe football market.
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