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roystevenung
post Jun 30 2016, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(smartinvestor01 @ Jun 30 2016, 09:09 AM)
My friend has a Pru Lady card.. She went to clinic and discover gallstones. One of the gallstones are big and require operation to remove. But doctor mentioned that its not urgent to remove.

So, if she go to private hospital, can she claim for the operation?
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PruLady is not a medical card, rather, it is an added cover for female illnesses.

Click -->>PruLady Cover

For gallstones removal she needs a medical card in order to claim. Does she has a medical card?

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post Jul 14 2016, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 07:15 AM)
Hi, I'm having PMM100 series 1 bought in 2001. Does outpatient kidney and cancer treatment still with 10K annual limit? Recall received some company revision on annual limit 50K to 62.5K, but any changes to the 10K annual limit for outpatient? Thanks.
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For PMM1 the Cancer Treatment and Kidney was revised to Rm50k.

However you may contact your servicing agent on whether your policy is selected for upgrading to PruValue Med which gives Rm1.5m on Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis.
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post Jul 14 2016, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 05:27 PM)
Thanks for the update.
I was being advised,  not selected,  for taking up PVM. However, in view already have 1st medical card, I may wish to go for deductible 20K option as 2nd medical card. Would you be able to advise if PVM could be converted back to zero deductible or with med saver let say after retirement 55 years old. Is this applicable for PVM? If yes, then PVM is highly appealing.  Thanks.
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Assuming that you had the PVM with Rm20k deductible as a second medical card and prior to retiring you want to convert it to include med saver (rm300), it is only possible if you remain healthy during the conversion.

Converting it from Rm20k deductible to med saver Rm300 means added risk to the insurer. Therefore a medical underwriting is necessary.
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post Jul 14 2016, 07:05 PM

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 06:38 PM)
Thanks for prompt reply as usual. However this means it's only possible if PVM is still active product let say 20 years from now?  Eg, is underwriting still possible if PVM off shelf by then?  Eg, like my current PMM100  series 1, it's not possible to underwrite to PMM200 series 1 after just 15 years right since PMM already phased out. Apology if it's a bad comparison analogy. Hope you get what I'm trying to point out. Perhaps something more secure like Pru Health's prumedic retirement rider for PVM for guaranteed conversion back to zero deductible / med saver.
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Yes that too (if the product still remains in the market) and I got your point.

FYi PMM1 is still able to be upgraded to PMM5 (which is currently still in sales). However in PMM5, Cancer Treatment and Kidney Dialysis it does not cover Take Home Drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

PMM5 also comes with co insurance (min Rm300 - Rm1K) as opposed to PMM1 (full claim)

This is why most agents advice to upgrade to PVM (full claim or Rm300 or deductible options)
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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 07:34 PM)
Thanks for the clear explanation. I'll assume my PMM1 for outpatient cancer treatment and kidney dialysis will also not entitled for Take Home drugs, long term mess and consultation charges, correct?
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PMM1 yes, it do cover Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges. However, it is still bounded by the annual limit of RM50K. If you use up too much on the THD, LTM and CC, it may not even be sufficient to pay for the chemo.

PMM3 onward does not cover.

PruValue Med do cover the Take Home drugs, Long Term Meds and Consultation Charges.

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 08:21 PM)
Something new learnt today. Thank you so much.
Noticed that only PVM outpatient benefit explicitly mentioned on the Take Home drugs etc. Can this imply that other insurance provider, if doesn't mentioned this, then no such entitlement benefits?
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I have to apologize as I am unable to comment on other insurer's product which I do not represent.
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post Jul 14 2016, 09:54 PM

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 14 2016, 09:14 PM)
@roystevenung

A more serious question and obviously a lengthy one.

In the past, Prudential medical insurance was always using "Guaranteed Renewal",  however, since PVM, it switched to "Non-Cancellable" while emphasizing it's actually same with guaranteed renewal. Now if one is to search the definition (web) , it's generally indicating policy where "an insurance company can’t cancel, increase the premiums on or reduce the benefits of as long as the customer pays the premiums."

First non conformity would obviously be in PVM version, premium and/or insurance charges is subject to be revised. It's actually still acceptable in Malaysia landscape plus how Prudential medical insurance works in the past (PMM, PruFlexi Med, Pru Health).

Now, what may need further attention is the portion about non cancellable benefit or reduction of benefit. I'd had opportunity to read through PVM policy and the provision clause mentioned in both below which relates to PVM:

1) Annexure 227 : Part 5 : General Conditions
2) Annexure MB3 : Part 2 : General Conditions  - A. Alteration

When read, it quite cause one to be suspicious that these clauses actually enable the company to have the ability for Future Alteration which may open the risk of Table of Benefits subjected to alteration which is damaging if it's to reduce covered benefits. The clauses also clearly spell ability to alter terms and conditions, aside from the usual premium and insurance charges. This defeat the overall "non cancellable" policy as it doesn't looks good for guaranteed renewal but other "ingredients" are subject to be altered.

Yet another provision clause is regarding the non cancellable itself warranted under "Annexure MB3 : H. Non-cancellable"

This part of annexure was specifically mentioning that "Non-Cancellable  is
only for insurance cover (any annexure) on "Life Assured being Confined to
the Hospital".

The curious part is why emphasize only for "Confined to Hospital" which gives impression non cancellable only applies to "Inpatient Benefit" while rest is not governed by the non cancellable eg outpatient, other benefits, and when relates back to "Alteration" provision mentioned above, the whole PVM non cancellable looks really discredited.

Well, I'm not legal expert nor fluent with such big jargon used in the policy. But these clauses doesn't shown in older Prudential policy. Really hope you may give some advice or comments on this realm as I'm long term Prudential customer which still trying to believe the company always strive to provide quality product and outshine other providers in Malaysia.

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"Guaranteed Renewal" and "Non-Cancelable" refers to the same thing.

Some of the older version of the stand alone medical card (which are normally provided by General Insurance company is annually renewed and is non-guaranteed to be renewed).

This means that if I have a heart bypass this year, and upon the renewal next year the insurer may exclude the heart condition or turn down the application altogether. It would be rather impossible for me to find other insurer to get reinsured if I had a heart condition.

This is why most insurer nowadays provides "Guarantee Renewal".

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In MY the insurer reserve the right to increase the premium (or rather the insurance charges) should there be a necessity in order to maintain the insurance portfolio. I believe this is applicable to all insurer and not only limited to Prudential.

The last increase of the premium was from 1997 and it was carried out in 2015. Some of my clients was increased by RM30/mth.

On the part of reducing the benefits, I have not known of any insurer that does that unless the applicant themselves specifically request to lower the benefits.

The part on the Alteration, it is necessary to be included in the new policy as we had seen that the government rules may change, example the inclusion of the GST as part of the insurance parcel.

To be fair to the clients (and to us agents who holds Prudential medical card) the alteration part is not applicable to PVM. This means we cannot amend the benefit structure of PVM.

Yes, we agents are the ones who will make 'noise' to Prudential if we get 'nonsense' T&C wink.gif

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post Jul 17 2016, 12:20 AM

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QUOTE(swgiant @ Jul 16 2016, 05:25 PM)
hi, i want to ask whether TCM treatment fee is claimable under prudential medical insurance ?
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No, but what kind of TCM treatment specifically are you referring to? Bone setting? Acupuncture?

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QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 16 2016, 10:56 PM)
Hi, if 1st medical card PMM with annual limit 50K, lifetime limit 150K. Intend to buy PVM as 2nd medical card, with deductible 20K. Assuming anniversary of both cards are close by. Now since 1st card have lower lifetime limit, is it possible if we submit both cards for Hospitals Alliances hospitals for cashless admission, we request Prudential to only utilize 20K on first card (instead of its annual limit of 50K) and starts on claiming 2nd card since fulfilled 20K deductible oledi. This will able to prolong 1st card limit exhaustion. Possible? Assumption made, the single admission incurred more than 50K bill.

Heard from my colleague that oledi PVM holders,  also 2 medical cards, he mentioned agent ask to submit both medical cards when admitted.
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Understood what you want to do (to prolonged the 1st medical card).

It is possible to be done, but the hospital concern may need to limit the RM20K on the 1st bill. Then reissue another Letter of Authorization for the subsequent bill on the second medical card.

Cashless admission can only be done if both card are from the same insurer (and from the above, it is).

Ps. If the second medical card was from a different insurer, then you will need to settle the amount not covered (assuming that the annual limit has been exhausted) upon discharge and only file for reimbursement on the second insurer.

QUOTE(mktan78 @ Jul 16 2016, 11:06 PM)
For PVM, there's one benefit (Expert Medical Opinion) that's having limited information aside from its website which gives below description :

"Expert Medical Opinion is a value added service that provides second medical opinion from medical experts in various areas of specialisation. This service is to assist you to learn more about your medical conditions and make an informed decision on the treatment plans."

Need extra rider?  Or if built-in oledi, what is the pre-requisite to use it to ensure claimable later on?
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It is built in

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post Aug 22 2016, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(alvinfks78 @ Aug 22 2016, 12:43 PM)
hey, premium payment auto debit credit card got extra charges?
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Please contact the bank that you are using to inquire whether is there any extra charges incurred for using their debit card facility as the debit card facility is provided by the bank, not Prudential.

Alternative payments includes credit card, debit card, atm banking, online banking.

Cash or cheque payment is advisable to be avoided if possible.

For more information you may refer to our website << Premium Payment >>
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QUOTE(jaslene25 @ Sep 22 2016, 12:15 PM)
hi roy,

i thought once claim CI, life sum assured will be reduced to zero? no? as mention above

thanks.
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It depends on the type of riders in the policy and of course all boils down to the client's budget.

There are basically two types of 36 CI riders, one that accelerates the payment of the 36 CI (meaning once the 36 CI is claim, upon death there wont be any death payment) AND another that pays during a 36 CI and upon death, another lump sum payable.

Naturally the second one will costs more as the insurer is needed to provide more coverage.
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QUOTE(jaslene25 @ Sep 28 2016, 04:01 PM)
thanks for the reply...

now i understands.. i heard that that pru ILP once death/TPD due to accident will pay double sum assured?
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You're most welcome.

The rider is known as Accidental Death & Disablement - If the accidental Death/TPD occurs while travelling using public transport, elevator or in a burning public building (eg cinema), Double Indemnity (of the sum insured) will take effect.

To be fair many other insurer also offers the same.
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Dec 9 2016, 10:46 AM)
Why is there a service charge of RM5 every month for paying the premium with credit card?
Other Insurance companies don't have this.
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What credit card are you using? No such thing for CIMB/Maybank?
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QUOTE(lyt25_1234 @ Dec 9 2016, 03:37 PM)
There is a clause stated in the brochure for PRUlink One PDF.
Go check it out, it's at page 10.
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We refer to it in the quotation as policy charge and I have check other insurer's quote. Some put it as policy fee, some refer to it as Admin Charge but yes they have it too.

For ILP the charges are RM72/year for Allianz (Other Charges), RM76.32 for AIA.

You may confirm this by getting a full sales illustration quotes from other insurer.

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QUOTE(roberttiong @ Jan 19 2017, 04:07 PM)
i check with my agent say insurance charge of medical plan will be increase soon due to medical inflation & rising cost of healthcare in the country, and it is compulsory. the question is what if we dont mind stick with the current plan coverage and dont mind the coverage is not enough, we should have the right to maintain right? is not must force people compulsory to upgrade correct? this is not fair
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Hi Robert, the repricing exercise is across the board and not only affect Prudential customers.

Most of the major insurer are forced to increase the cost of insurance due to the medical inflation which seems to be on an upward trend and it not coming down. Even the Doctors are saying they have not increase their fee for the past 20 years.

Even the Appendicitis surgery these days costs ~ Rm10k which costs ~ Rm7k in 2010.

Your agent should already have the new repricing for you and from my list the most is Rm15/mth and the repricing will increase the lifetime limit (rm20k for some).

Well some of my clients whom is unable to upgrade their medical plan further due to medical condition actually welcomes the repricing as it increases their lifetime limit.

Do get in touch with your agent on the detail


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QUOTE(roberttiong @ Jan 20 2017, 12:19 PM)
some insurance company policy cover quite a lot but policy amount cheap, the reason behind is that policy only can cover for the insurance charges and not mush cash value inside, so once the insurance charges increase, u still pay the same premium charge for the policy but the premium not enough to cover your insurance charges so it will deduct from cash value, if your cash value cannot cover policy amount then only agent will ask to upgrade, i know allianz is using this strategy, at least give ppl choice to choose which is not force ppl must upgrade.
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It is essentially the same. The increase of the cost of insurance will ultimately affect the policy holder.

Mind if i ask, the cash values is whose money? Is it the insurer money or your money? It is also your money right?


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QUOTE(engyr @ Feb 7 2017, 09:38 PM)
Anyone here experience before or anyone here is Prudential agent?

I purchased an investment link insurance from a Prudential agent 5 years ago. Today, I received a SMS from an unknown person. She claimed that my previous agent already quit the service. She is taking over and I need to sign document that she will be my agent.
Is this what Prudential practice? Is she trying to cheat me?

Thanks.
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Its quite normal in the insurance industry for agents to come and go.

You may try to call the old agent to clarify whether he has quit the business.

If yes you may then transfer the case to the another agent of your choice (if you have one).

Do note that the new agent will not earn any commission, but more of a service especially during a claim.

If you have any questions just ask.
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QUOTE(Chrono-Trigger @ Jan 21 2017, 11:30 AM)
Hi if a person with Hepatitis B carrier, does not declare in his health insurance form which he signed up 20 years ago... what should he do now ?

Should he go now to declare to the insurance company? Will this forfeit his previous coverage? will his policy be terminated? will be be refunded for termination of policy? or will the policy to modified to exclude hepatitis B related illness?
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20 years ago the records are still kept? What is the current condition?

The terms will be dependent on the outcome of the blood test and Underwriting decision.
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QUOTE(engyr @ Feb 8 2017, 06:48 PM)
Is it ok if I do not have specific service agent? Will it affect my policy?
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Its entirely up to you to have an agent or not as it will not affect the policy.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 19 2017, 02:02 PM)
Wonder why insurance agent come and go?
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The same reason why some business open and close.
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QUOTE(MNet @ Feb 19 2017, 02:13 PM)
Why the can't make this long term career
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No continuation business is the main reason I suppose.

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