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firee818
post Sep 21 2017, 02:05 PM

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QUOTE(bluepenguinKills @ Sep 21 2017, 11:29 AM)
This is a heavily discussed subject among general public.

I like to use situational example in this:

Patient A went for a checkup after not feeling well and was confirmed by doctors that he contracted cancer stage 4. He had to be immediately admitted to hospital and get further checks and medication done. Its a surprise to him since he was never been diagnosed with it or know about it before. He also aware that he had signed for an insurance policy 3 months back and he would like to use it for the treatment purpose [some insurance type may also provide lump sump of money!]

Now what happen next?

Well in this case, it is likely that when he intend to use the insurance policy, the request is going to be suspended by the insurance company. Why?

The 'incontestability' refers to the assumption that you were 100% healthy at the time you signed up for the policy. Any major illness that you are diagnosed over later such as cancer commonly, if the stage of severity or size of the tumor is not relevant to the timeline i.e you have larger than 5 cm tumor within 3 months of enforced policy, the insurer reserve the right to suspend or even reject the usage of the insurance. Insurer will have a panel of doctors who review and confirm this.

Reason being is to avoid fraud while at the same time protect the insurer themselves as well as other subscribers. Its almost the same as the 120 days imposed if you newly sign up a policy.
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Ok, thank you.
It is almost as the 120 days for newly signed policy, but why it is 2 years for this (incontestablility period)? Isn't this refer to the same situation, how come one is 120 days, another one is 2 years...
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post Sep 21 2017, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Sep 20 2017, 04:03 PM)
I have no comment on Tokio Marine Policy as I do not represent it. The only way to know is to read the policy document and possibly ask around a few hospitals on their claim.

However, it could be challenging for a layman to read an insurance contract as some clauses co-relates with one another. The insurance contract is to be read as a whole, rather than part by part.

Whenever a new policy is started, there is a 120 days Waiting Period for illness that falls under "Specified Illnesses", e.g., kidney stones, slip disc etc. In addition there is a 2 years of "Incontestibility Period" that prevents the insurer from null and void the policy (unless there is clear evidence of misrepresentation of material fact)"

With that being said, let us SWITCH ROLES, shall we? You become the insurer and I become the client. I cancel my old policy (due to "better benefits") and buy a new one from you. I pay you Rm150/mth x 4 mths = Rm 600.

Immediately after the 120 days I want to claim for Slip Disc and the cost is Rm40,000. Will you pay without any form of investigation? No investigation? Sure?

For upgrade, there is no Waiting Period. Any claims below 30 days from the upgrade, it is still claimable under the old policy.

Of course you are required to disclose all material fact that may impact how the poicy is being underwritten before the coverage can be granted.
QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 21 2017, 10:25 AM)
When you change a new policy, you will need to adhere to the 120 days waiting period for Specified Illness.

At the same time, there is a contestability clause for 2 years which says that the insurance company have the right to deny your claim if it is found to be a fraud (hiding facts upon signing of the new policy).

Meanwhile, instead of just upgrade your medical card, you should also look into your portion on Life Insurance and Critical Illness coverage.
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So i guess upgrade should be a better option for me. Thanks for the help guys. thumbup.gif
bluepenguinKills
post Sep 21 2017, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Sep 21 2017, 02:05 PM)
Ok, thank you.
It is almost as the 120 days for newly signed policy, but why it is 2 years for this (incontestablility period)? Isn't this refer to the same situation, how come one is 120 days, another one is 2 years...
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For the 120 days. you basically could not use your medical card at all. Some may allow for pay and claim.

For the 2 years, you can use the card/policy as normal but at times depending on the illness, insurer have the right to suspend or deny the request. This heavily depend on their consideration.

Hence the term, take insurance as when you are young as possible. Some parents nowadays even equip their newborn with a policy. thumbsup.gif
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post Sep 22 2017, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(bluepenguinKills @ Sep 21 2017, 04:47 PM)
For the 120 days. you basically could not use your medical card at all. Some may allow for pay and claim.

For the 2 years, you can use the card/policy as normal but at times depending on the illness, insurer have the right to suspend or deny the request. This heavily depend on their consideration.

Hence the term, take insurance as when you are young as possible. Some parents nowadays even equip their newborn with a policy.  thumbsup.gif
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I did follow what others advice, take insurance as young as possible. But the problem is, the old policy around 10 years ago, the coverage is so low. sad.gif
New policy with same premium have so much better coverage nowadays. It make me in dilemma now. Need find time to ask my agent how much the premium increase if upgrade. Hopefully not too much. sad.gif
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post Sep 22 2017, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(NyD-WiLL @ Sep 22 2017, 12:06 AM)
I did follow what others advice, take insurance as young as possible. But the problem is, the old policy around 10 years ago, the coverage is so low. sad.gif
New policy with same premium have so much better coverage nowadays. It make me in dilemma now. Need find time to ask my agent how much the premium increase if upgrade. Hopefully not too much. sad.gif
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Are your agent still active? Normally he will follow up within the 5th or 6th year of enforced policy. Reason being around those time, normally enhancement has been made to ensure the policy is relevant to the current trend. A medical procedure done 10 years back is very unlikely to retain the same cost for now.

Better get in touch with him to see if he can help with the upgrade. Normally it doesn't cost much. Clarify with him that it is an upgrade rather than contracting a new one. In case of your agent is no longer active, approach the insurer directly to ask for a re-assignment of an agent. They will be able to help much further.
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post Sep 23 2017, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(bluepenguinKills @ Sep 21 2017, 04:47 PM)
For the 120 days. you basically could not use your medical card at all. Some may allow for pay and claim.

For the 2 years, you can use the card/policy as normal but at times depending on the illness, insurer have the right to suspend or deny the request. This heavily depend on their consideration.

Hence the term, take insurance as when you are young as possible. Some parents nowadays even equip their newborn with a policy.  thumbsup.gif
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Could we safely say that the insurer(Prudential) will disburse all the medical claim whatsover including any pre-existing illnesses which were not disclosed in the insurance proposal form(i.e insurance application form) after the 2 years incontestablility period?

Thanks for answering.

This post has been edited by firee818: Sep 23 2017, 09:12 AM
bluepenguinKills
post Sep 23 2017, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Sep 23 2017, 08:23 AM)
Could we safely say that the insurer(Prudential) will disburse all the medical claim whatsover including any pre-existing illnesses which were not disclosed in the insurance proposal form(i.e insurance application form) after the 2 years incontestablility period?

Thanks for answering.
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Short answer, yes they do.
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post Sep 23 2017, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(bluepenguinKills @ Sep 23 2017, 02:47 PM)
Short answer, yes they do.
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So if the client did not disclose that he had cancer / diabetes / hypertension at the time of signing up for the policy and as the matter of fact he had known that he had that health problem upon checking with one of the doctors and choose not to disclose it and so happen that luckily more than 2 years later, nothing happen to him in terms of making a claim and on the 3rd year, he's admitted to the hospital and decides to file for a claim for cancer / stroke / diabetes.

Prudential gonna pay for the claim ?
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post Sep 23 2017, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Sep 23 2017, 08:23 AM)
Could we safely say that the insurer(Prudential) will disburse all the medical claim whatsover including any pre-existing illnesses which were not disclosed in the insurance proposal form(i.e insurance application form) after the 2 years incontestablility period?

Thanks for answering.
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No, otherwise what is the point of the 2 years of Incontestability Period?
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post Sep 24 2017, 12:02 AM

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Hi, prudential expert

If i only want to buy for additional CI coverage, which products of prudential will be good for it? Others basic coverage i ord hav it with other insurance companies

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post Sep 24 2017, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(impuls3 @ Sep 24 2017, 12:02 AM)
Hi, prudential expert

If i only want to buy for additional CI coverage, which products of prudential will be good for it? Others basic coverage i ord hav it with other insurance companies

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The product you are looking for is PruMultiple Crisis Cover.
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<< PruMultiple Crisis Cover Brochure >>

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post Sep 25 2017, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Sep 23 2017, 10:47 PM)
No, otherwise what is the point of the 2 years of Incontestability Period?
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I mean after the 2 years incontestability period, will prudential disburse any medical claim for the medical expenses that incur after 2 years incontestability period?

This post has been edited by firee818: Sep 25 2017, 12:04 PM
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post Sep 25 2017, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(firee818 @ Sep 25 2017, 12:02 PM)
I mean after the 2 years incontestability period, will prudential disburse any medical claim for the medical expenses that incur after 2 years incontestability period?
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No. If the medical condition is a material fact (that directly affect how the policy is being underwritten) and it was not disclosed during the inception, the policy will be treated as null and void (due to breach of contract)

The total premium paid (minus any claims made) will refunded and the policy will be cancelled.
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post Sep 25 2017, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Sep 23 2017, 10:21 PM)
So if the client did not disclose that he had cancer / diabetes / hypertension at the time of signing up for the policy and as the matter of fact he had known that he had that health problem upon checking with one of the doctors and choose not to disclose it and so happen that luckily more than 2 years later, nothing happen to him in terms of making a claim and on the 3rd year, he's admitted to the hospital and decides to file for a claim for cancer / stroke / diabetes.

Prudential gonna pay for the claim ?
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Your point contradicted what he asked earlier. In your statement "as the matter of fact he had known that he had that health problem upon checking with one of the doctors and choose not to disclose it", this points that he knew after consulted medical professional which had kept a record of this.

If this is the case where he had previously met a medical expert and had underwent analysis/confirmation, chances are the followup investigation might defer him from being given the insurance. Its common to know that insurer will still and always perform background investigation. Its a norm.

You can't mean to say that if he had no idea he was sick and pass the 2 years period without any issue, and suddenly he was diagnosed with critical illness, he will be devoid-ed from gaining the benefit of his policy?

I'm sure its the same for AIA as well. Care to share?

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post Sep 27 2017, 10:33 AM

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I have endoscopy last 1 and half year ago due to gastric and found polip in my colon and doctor said it is ok.
Until now seldom have gastric and no medication.
Now I'm applying new policy Life and CI but my agent told me not need to disclose this incidents.
Because i'm no on medication and underwriter can view my health record in the general health system in malaysia.

I want to be disclose and transparent but my agent said not need to disclose, is it ok?
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post Sep 27 2017, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(8895 @ Sep 27 2017, 10:33 AM)
I have endoscopy last 1 and half year ago due to gastric and found polip in my colon and doctor said it is ok.
Until now seldom have gastric and no medication.
Now I'm applying new policy Life and CI but my agent told me not need to disclose this incidents.
Because i'm no on medication and underwriter can view my health record in the general health system in malaysia.

I want to be disclose and transparent but my agent said not need to disclose, is it ok?
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Highlighted in bold is pure utter nonsense.

The question that Underwriter would like to know is after the 1 1/2 years, how has the polyps developed? Whether the polyps is still there or has it been removed or disappeared naturally?

There is a very strong link the polyps will turn into a colon cancer and of course it is a material fact.

It is definitely NOT OK not disclosing material fact. You pay the premium for something that does not work.



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post Sep 29 2017, 10:42 AM

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Good morning everyone,

I would like to understand about my current insurance coverage with Prudential
Prulink assurance: rm100k
Crisis cover: rm100k
Death: rm125k
Prudisability: rm10k per annum
Prupayor

Can anyone explain these benefits? Thanks in advance
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post Oct 1 2017, 12:30 AM

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QUOTE(roystevenung @ Sep 24 2017, 12:21 AM)
The product you are looking for is PruMultiple Crisis Cover.
<< PruMultiple Crisis Cover >>

<< PruMultiple Crisis Cover Brochure >>
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Hi roy

from what i hav read from multiple crisis cover, the insured person can claim 3 CI each from 6 CI group. Mean to say that let say sum insured is 100k, then insured person can claim up to 300k within the term period? (For none repeating CI)



another questions

If a person need 1m sum insured for life, is that preferable to buy 3 life policy ? (Let say 200k, 300k, and 500k)

If 500k and 300k life sum insured only needed for 30 years and 40 years each. Is that preferable to buy in terms insurance or wholelife insurance and surrender it when reach 30 and 40 years each ?

Thank you
roystevenung
post Oct 1 2017, 01:58 AM

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QUOTE(impuls3 @ Oct 1 2017, 12:30 AM)
Hi roy

1. from what i hav read from multiple crisis cover, the insured person can claim 3 CI each from 6 CI group. Mean to say that let say sum insured is 100k, then insured person can claim up to 300k within the term period? (For none repeating CI)
another questions

2. If a person need 1m sum insured for life, is that preferable to buy 3 life policy ? (Let say 200k, 300k, and 500k)

3. If 500k and 300k life sum insured only needed for 30 years and 40 years each. Is that preferable to buy in terms insurance  or  wholelife insurance and surrender it when reach 30 and 40 years each ?

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1. Yes, that is right.

2. No preference. Just ensure that the person(s) you had nominated knows where to find the policy/policies. For all the insurance policies that you have, draft out a summary spreadsheet and use Google Sheet to share it with your loved ones.

Details such as policy no, inception date, covered event, covered amount, purpose of insurance, term, insurer name, beneficiaries and agent contact details should help in the event of a sudden demise.

3. It depends on the age of the person and the tenure required (no of years) since for most term insurance, the covered term is up until the age of 70/80 (max).

If a longer tenure is required then whole life, otherwise term insurance.
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QUOTE(Nepo @ Jul 8 2017, 05:56 PM)
Hi Roy,

I have signed up Pruvalue Med up to 80 years old on 4 July 2017, and the application is still under processing.
Lately, Prudential introduces automatic medical coverage till 100 years. I thought  it is better to take this opt than buying medical coverage till 80 years old.

How to change the period of medical coverage from 80 years old to 70 years old when the application is still under processing.

Thank you.
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Is this new extension of medical coverage to 100 years old applicable to current policy holders? Or just for new policy holders? When was this introduced?

I signed up PruValueMed up to 80 years old a year ago. If it is true that Prudential has introduced automatic medical coverage up to 100 years old, I'm thinking of downgrading the existing plan to 70 years old to reduce the monthly premium / maintain monthly premium but increase coverage in other areas, e.g. life / CI.

Is this advisable?

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