I just realised that the new phones would be perfect for perverts at nighttime, taking pictures without flash

If what Nokia claim the 920 can do the 808 pureview also can't do. When u take anything against the light without flash it will be darken and not lit up like their so called demo of 920

Yes, it cannot fully utilize but doesn't mean it can't.
For 808, when you're at 2X zoom, the pixels are much less yet stilll can oversampling
When you're at 2.5X zoom, the pixels is even more less, yet still can have oversampling.
Even it cannot fully utilize the oversampling, it's still there, MOREVER, there's lossless zoom.

OK, let's say really for some reason the oversampling can't be done (which I do not believe the reason is not enough MP, but more like, it will requires the image processor?), there's still lossess zoom? Why Not?
When fully zoom out: 8MP
As you zoom, less MP due to smaller sensor area. This are simple and can be by done any manufacturer.
Then if you want to say that, no point why user want to reduce the MP. Well.... give user choose lor... Digital Zoom or PureView zoom.

In short, it's obvious what's happening. They're simply using the PureView name and then creating many excuses for it.

You know what I feel when I read the white paper for Phase 2? I keep cursing "rubbish" or 'bs"; I feel like they're twisting and trying VERY HARD to proof this is Phase 2, this is PureView. Yet, I don't see ANY relation.

The white papers says this:
"PureView is a promise of versatile capture capability and leading edge innovation"

So, can say previous flagship Nokia imaging smartphone is ALSO PureView? Right? Most of them have "leading egde innovation".
What's Lumia PureView leading edge innovation? The "special" OIS technology?

So, what's Phase 3? Another totally different thing? maybe some super zoom lens which doesn't extend?

So, PureView actually have many different forms? It's not a technology, but just whatever new leading edge innovation that Nokia invented which promises versatile capture capability?
What, so, it's no longer a technology, but more of a team or motto or something like that? Instead of using a long definition like "PureView is a promise of versatile capture capability and leading edge innovation", they use short name like "PureView"?
Do they need to confined it? What's a technology?
I still cannot relate it, how a technology can change to a totally different thing but still is the SAME technology.

I think people are biased because of Lumia. That's why I put a 909 which is a Symbian, instead of a Lumia. Isn't the picture so much clearer? The 909 I mentioned is basically using the same imaging technolgy as Lumia, how come you say it's the same one form?

Honestly? I care the new tech works, It doesn't matter if it's something different, but with respect, it doesn't live up to the PureView impression and it doesn't have the characteristic of the real PureView. Just as I said, you can take an engine with "VVT" put a V-TEC badge, it doesn't have the V-TEC characteristic/technology.

If they give a different name, the picture will be totally different, obviously. It's a new technology, the new OIS as explained in white paper is interesting, and why they choose the BIS sensor, etc. But, again, honestly, why PureView. It's obvious that they're using this name to boost their Lumia sales. Do you even have the slightest feel that it might be true?
Giving a new name is a simple job, but can it do anything? Its obvious the needed something to market their device badly.
Yea, very lame and disappointing.

Anyway, my highlighted bold words is enough to explain all, haha.

Hahahahahahh that would be awesome reach home put on table start charging. And table can share charging awesomeness

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Added on September 6, 2012, 3:27 pm

Now already bad enough got WiMAX , digi network, maxis network, etc, radio band, wifi signals Hahahahahahh it's already bad

imagine when u put ur device in ur pant and how those wave shine through ur little winny.... LOLOLOLOL  

Or maybe a battery using kenetic the more u use the more it charge the battery Hahahahahahh

Just searched around.
>>>In Nokia's proposed design, the heavier components of a phone, such as the radio aerial and battery, are supported on a strong frame. This frame can move alongside two sets of rails.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2010/03/11/nok.../#ixzz25fpNQ1od

Means when we shake the phone the battery would actually be moving here and there, won't feel that solid eh guess they'll figure something out

Yes, but does it matter? Even with full PureView oversampling, is it noticeable? Same thing actually; In fact, with 808 PureView and Full Resolution, most people cannot see the difference, it's very minimal and depend on situation. You can check GSMArena and DPReview which does extensive testing. On some occasion, the PureView mode actually produce more poor result compared to Full Res mode downsample to similar resolution.
Beside the oversampling, as I mentioned, the key benefit here is the Lossless Zoom.
Actually the lossless zoom is just utilizing part of the sensor, they could easily add it in through firmware update I believe, even other manufacturer's can do it, it's nothing spetacular, but it's an idea Nokia come up for mobile imaging.

As for going backwards, that's another debate, that will NOT be about not using PureView already. But then, it's not 808 replacement, so you can't really say backwards because it's another product. Just like N8 and other Nokia Camera phone. It they release a Lumia Flagship Camera phone, then of course, it needs to have something as good.

Then as I mentioned, PureView can be anything else. They did very wrong by giving it a marketing term. N8 is also PureView, and many many more.

The way I see it, it's just not logical.

They marketing 808 with PureView technology. I was impressed and supported them, now it's more like a marketing tactic.

Sure, they can do what they want, but they definitely will upset many people and create many problems to themselves; And for business, it's not  good. So indirectly, our upset is also for Nokia, not with bad intentions.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 4:34 pm

If possible they should make a phone that we don't have to charge, just use until it's lifespan is up or weak. Maybe a 2 batteries inside the phone will will power and charge one another, that sort of thing, but to charge another battery with  a battery, it requires more power. It they can somehow come up with something and at small size, it will definitely be a breakthrough, and tell people "This TRULY changes everything".

Sifu, your pics high quality leh. We wait till the 920 come out, then there will be more comparisons, then your album even more popular.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 5:06 pmZachary, you do know that both aspire and andy have the 808 and have tested it upside down, left, right, center? Haha.
As layman, reading the summary, I scratch my head with the 8MP pureview with no SDcard. Nokia has no intentions making 920 anyhing close to a cameraphone. Just making sound more terror.
Btw sifus, are we ever going to have new thread for our beloved N9? No 4 is pantang?

Good write up.
But, in PureView mode in 808, as you zoom to say 3.5X (for 3MP), the effective sensor area utilize, most likely is less than 8MP (lazy to do calculation); but there's STILL some oversampling.

So, should say, it can be done, but why not? So why not? I would "assume" that, as previously they ownself stated, the PureView Lumia will come at later date. But somehow they need to market the Lumia WP8 especially having competition from Samseng, and also the challenge previously.
So, the PureView could be just slapped onto it just to help boost and market.
I would assume they will only use PureView for their imaging flagship model. If true, the model will have proper PureView technology with addition to the Phase 2, OIS, BIS sensor. Doesn't that sound more logical?

I have no idea on the complexity, but lossless zoom basically is like cropping from the sensor, or cropping without interpolation or enlarging. Just like a Full Frame Nikon Camera, when you use a DX (Crop Sensor) lens, it can only utilize the DX Crop Factor sensor area thus the effective megapixel is reduced.

What about Video? There's no pixel oversampling right? The losses zoom is also utilizing the sensor area only, right?

For Canon DSLR, I saw before one video review, it also have something like lossess zoom, which I think is using sensor area; It's for video mode only, since video doesn't need so high megapixel.

As I said, then it's no point making it like so big thing in the first place. Basically, it can be anything, even not a Nokia.
A smartphone camera that first come up with HDR is also PureView.
The smartphone camera that have 3D also PureView.

No point right? It's basically, short representation of some definition.
Plus, the 808 is marketing with PureView, what PureView mode. So it shouldn't be called PureView mode.
Imagine PureView mode actual definition:
PureView Mode = A promise of versatile capture capability and leading edge innovation Mode

Like i mentioned when you compare 808 38 MP and rich recording its so amazing

Watch this if your speaker have sub woofer you can pratically hear the bass thenw hen the guy use pureview to zoom watch in HD u will shock what you see no pixelation

920 is a disappoinment for me.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 6:25 pmVideo quality and audio quality
You be the judge all shot from the different angle of the same event
Nokia 808 Pureview

But better than nothing, at least they still can get lossless zoom if requires oversampling technology.
My take why it's not there is more towards the processing requirement? As 808 PureView, it comes with dedicated image processor?

Possibly the TRUE WP PureView would have it, but since they need something to boost or make the Lumia interesting they decided to use a name that is already famous and people really wanting it. Honestly speaking, many people will buy the Lumia just because of the "PureView", don't you think so? 

Anyway, as mentioned before and most people would've agree, this doesn't fit as Phase 2.
Phase 2 should be base on Phase 1, not complete a different thing.
BUT if they call it a "DIFFERENT" Phase, then it's different story
Example:
808 PureView: Phase X
Current Lumia PureView: Phase Y

In future, the flagship Lumia PureView, when all is READY, will have the combination of the different phase.
Calling it Phase 2, is like a "continuation" from Phase 1, but current Phase 1, have no relation to Phase 1.

Of course, they can name it all they want; Just saying... and because of how the put it, they're created many issues for themselves.

Ya, most likely own by Nokia, but others can name their own version, SuperPureView, XtremeView, etc. hahaha 

Just that I think they doing this term is "inappropriate" as they should give the technology itself a name (e.g. the technology in 808), thus they they have won't get all these problems; Now they may say it's not the technology, but a term, but to the general public, it's already the technology in 808, and when the PureView word is used in Lumia, people would've expect similar. This is common sense.
Either they really didn't think of this, or there's something going on behind. BUT, whatever it is, they just got themselves in a lot of troubles. All those previous reviews written for 808 PureView? And they never correct them.

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Added on September 7, 2012, 10:27 am

If WP8 is good and become open and offers proper smartphone features, then it's worth to get the Lumia.
It's not a must to get the best camera phone. After all, previous Lumia Camera wasn't bad (can see from Sifu Aspire's shot), so this would definitely be much more improved over previous Lumia's Camera.

Besides the current Lumia PureView is totally different technology from 808 PureView, and it's not set as a replacement for 808 PureView, nor Nokia Flagship Camera phone. For those looking it, should wait for them to release the proper one.

whatsapp has moved all clients from md5 to rc4
and before this, they have changed the auth from sh-digest to w-auth (or something like that)
I'll try to update wazapp to w-auth
if it doesn't work the we need to move to rc4 too

do not re-register your account
an update will fix the problem
just wait

alrdy installed it on my phone.
for now only can see picture.

honestly if N9 has a official whatsapp client i am so happy to use N9 as my main phone now

i mean, I'm using now, just that kinda saddens me that sometimes we have downtime like this... maybe they should just send a minor change log to wazzap team, since they are not supporting it, they could at least do some good by providing the changes to reduce the time needed by wazzap team

Thanks for the news, rebooting device now...

out of sudden the wazapp seem very important to all the n9 users... LOL

well, seems like i still have problem connecting @@
just restarted also same... and i dislike restarting, cos i will get that 'No Network Connection' problem and i need to wait ~10 minutes for it to go away

ok done, i put it under 3.5G ( tho my Digi internet is throttled now, lol ) for around 4 minutes, and finally a bunch of message come in and i can use wazzap as normal now, yippie

But, before N9 launch, people were posting that N9 copied iPod Nano design, just enlarge. 

ok..i install n9 Qtweak,used that to install inception & aegis.
then install MAG led notification.just like dat

is anyone here alrdy try wazapp ver 0.2.7?

Molome v3 "Pheonix" will not be available for MeeGo and Symbian users..

On the bright side, they will bring Molome Pheonix to Windows Phone and iOS.

wonder what can i do more with my n9.. still love the multitasking on n9, dont have any plan on chaging phone yet

Anyone here facing any battery life problems?,
Mine charged to 100% at night, it would be about ~88% by the time i wake up and the phone drinks up the battery like water...

I changed my network mode to GSM only, turned off standby screen and put a dark wallpaper and have my phone on power saving mode all the time and now full charge lasts the whole day with texting,camera, calls and some browsing using wifi

^ Tried it... its mere a preview of Instagram, nothing much u can do with it.. u cant upload pics, u cant see comments cant comment either, cant unfollow.. etc etc etc..

basically just see popular pics n tap like lol.. =(

i never expecting uploads, but I am shocked that the devs decided to do upload

p/s: i found that N9 stock browser works good/better than symbian stock browser , almost not needing Firefox/Opera right now