I guess they fixed this with firmware updates, but the ppl I know that use Lumia wasn't using L800, they were using L710. Maybe it was an issue with L800 only?

Thanks for the clarification! In that case I guess users in M'sia never really saw this prob since Lumia only released in Feb this year right?

Yes charging when no battery & phone off but have some battery power is different. Phones are programmed to turn off when battery capacity reaches too low to keep operating, but it doesn't mean the battery is completely flat. This is because a completely flat Li-Ion battery cell might have problems charging & can lead to battery cell death as they call it. If this happens, your battery is useless.

Anyway, the Lumia battery issue has been fixed, so no point keep debating that right?

Pikacu, is the latest Wazapp stable enough after almost a day use?

Morning!

I use credit card but I've helped other ppl add pay by Phone Bill also to their Nokia account. Some debit cards might work too but since I've no experience with them I can't comment.

Please do not pirate, developers need to make a living too u know.

Firefox v15 update is out in Nokia Store.

Saw this last night but not much to talk about really. It's cancelled & will never come out.

This pic of different coloured top & bottom is an in house prototype only. The actual going to be retail unit is same colour top & bottom as stated in the article. This is what the developer only N950 should have been for retail segment.

Yes it was meant for production but got killed because of the Feb 2011 announcement switch to WP. So yeah, it's done, history.

Nope haven't updated to latest build of Wazapp. Since it got your seal of approval I'll update in a while

Hehe yeah need your seal of approval

Just updated. 1st thing happen, can't start. Start from terminal see, the encode to utf-8 issue, so no choice but to delete db. Haven't tried exit & start again, seems most ppl have issue with that.

Anyway, u suggest to rename the db if db crash but like no point right? Not like I can load it again later.

Forbidden character? Haha not sure, maybe it's the emoji

Ah I see, that's why u asked me to rename the db. Luckily I already did that for some time liau since previous versions

I think you can only add phone no if you go to http://store.ovi.com/ on PC, sign in, then click on Account on the top right. Sign in again, then on the main page there's a section called Email and mobile numbers, you can add your phone no there. If Nokia Store recognize the no, it'll show up as a payment method.

Yeah, they screwed up that video. They posted an apology with a video showing it in real Lumia 920. This same video was shown in the event by Kevin Shields. ==> Apology from Nokia

Honestly the 2nd phase of Pureview is very interesting, too bad it's going to get very bad press because Nokia screwed it up.

To read more about this 2nd phase of Pureview & how it's different from the one introduced earlier, read the following white paper ==> PureView Phase 2

The important thing to realise is that they set out to achieve something different with phase 2, Optical Stabilization & amazing Low Light images.

Yeah, agreed

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 09:54 AM

Aspire sifu, as Mr Damian Dinning himself has expressed very much b4 yesterday's launch in frustrated manner, Pureview is NOT just oversampling & lossless zoom. That was phase 1. See this ==> http://pureviewclub.com/2012/5306

Puremotion has nothing to do with Pureview, it's just a dumb name they put for their super fast screen with supposed no lag. How true we'll find out.

Looks like Mr Damian Dinning have to go all out & explain things again because Nokia as usual can't do proper presentation one

Sifu, it's not about twisting & turning. As Mr Dinning stressed, Pureview is not just about oversampling & lossless zoom. They looked at Pureview & thought what other ways it can be improved if they couldn't use a huge sensor. You really honestly believe they can jam that big sensor into a slim body?

Pureview is the name of the tech, don't look at it so narrow to only define one specification in a tech. Honestly Nokia needs to start learning how to do PROPER presentation.

I still remember when they announced Pureview, this also happened. People couldn't understand, just looked at it as a phone with HUGE sensor & judged it straight away as useless/pointless. Are you honestly going to judge it so soon just because it don't have oversampling & lossless zoom? What about the new possibilities? Think blur free low light pictures without using flash. Great low light video performance.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 11:21 amHi Sifu Andy,

Actually Mr Dinning have stressed before. Lossless zoom & oversampling is only ONE form of Pureview. There will be other forms of Pureview in the future. But I guess nobody ever read that.

Anyway, read my previous reply a bit more. I'm not going to say more, probably should wait for Mr Dinning to come up to explain like he did last time.

The reason why he was frustrated is because of ppl telling him what Pureview should be & what Pureview cannot be. Honestly if I'm the creator of the tech & be talked to like that I'll also be frustrated.

On the other stuffs you mentioned.... honestly I'm not interested. I'm just trying to explain the new Pureview iteration. But I think I've done enough. Everyone has their opinion right?

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 11:26 AM

Put it simply lah, Nokia SUCKS in presentation. Mr Dinning has said before 12MP is NOT ENOUGH to do Pureview so that question has been answered back in Feb 2012.

Yes, 808 is all about those. That is what it was meant to HIGHLIGHT.

Sifu, phase 2 doesn't necessary mean MUST improve on phase 1. It can mean they try something else. Have you read the white paper? They looked at image quality issue from a different angle, WITHOUT the use of huge sensor. In the future they should be able to combine these features but I do not think technology has progressed to that point yet. But their next photo sensor with Graphene might be the answer. Read this ==> http://pureviewclub.com/2012/5315

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Added on September 6, 2012, 11:54 amTo Sifu Andy & Aspire,

Look at this hands on by Anandtech ==> http://www.anandtech.com/show/6236/hands-o...a-920-lumia-820

I think this highlights what I mentioned, look at the test picture taken in comparison to iPhone4S. I quote from them:

Look at the picture again. See what I mean?

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 11:54 AM

If you try to do Pureview with 12MP, the highest u can start is actually 2MP, then it goes below. So in practical use it's pointless. But N8 just like the N86 already use 'Pureview' oversampling in video recording. It's the reason we can zoom & still retain quality when doing video recording on those 2 phones. They took the concept & applied it since the phones can manage it.

Well, honestly the people who create the tech can name it whatever they want right? It is right for us to say they should not name it that way? I don't think we have that kind of right. We can comment, criticise but in the end, it's their tech.

So maybe they should not have named this Pureview, perhaps Purelight?


LOL!!! Looks like you really didn't read anything in the white paper. The image you saw isn't because of image processing. It's the result of this ==> F2.0 + Optical Image Stabilizer + Longer shutter speed. Can we 'port' this into our old phones?

Sifu, I think u misunderstand Pureview a bit. There's a reason why Nokia went for 41MP sensor then default the output to 8MP, 5MP & 2MP. If it can be done with smaller sensor why did they bother to go 41MP? There's not enough extra pixels to do any oversampling if you just use 12MP. Mr Dinning explained that back in launch of Pureview. The quality when doing it with less pixels is not worth it. Maybe 21MP can still provide good quality but anything less no. It's because of oversampling you can have lossless zoom.

Yes I understand your point. But this is what they choose to call it. Well guess what, there's a huge amount of ppl who wants Pureview with Lumia (well, Americans LOL!) so Nokia obliged.

Well, if you do not want to take this as Pureview then it's your opinion. In the end it's up to them to call it what they want. They never confined it to just lossless zoom & oversampling, you guys did.

If I just view the 2 things you listed out, it's clear to me you basing the whole Pureview on just one form. It's OK & fine, you may call this FakeView. But I honestly want to ask you all, do you not care if this new tech works? Or you just wanna damn it because it's called Pureview?

There's a lot of hands on in web already, you can go see for yourself. I'm done talking about this since it's pointless to argue what name should we call the tech when the tech doesn't belong to any of us debating.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 01:36 PM

I laughed when I read your post. No, F2.0 is not the improvement, nor is BSI sensor. The key thing in this tech is the so called 'just merely image stabilization' by you. This reminds me back so much to the 'stupid 41MP sensor' judgement I keep hearing when 808 was launched.

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Added on September 6, 2012, 2:07 pmSifu, I think we going a little too far liau. 1st u need enough amount of pixels to do oversampling, 12MP doesn't give you enough to do 8MP oversampling.

2nd, are you kidding to ask who is Mr Damien Dinning? If you're not then OK you can easilly do a search & find out. If you do know, then sadly you're insulting the very person who bring you Pureview. All of a sudden, Pureview is a definition that only the mass public can define, so sad to see. The idea may not be from Damien, but if he didn't see it as possible & make it happen, do you think we even have Pureview now?

I do not think for a second that Mr Dinning will allow it to be called Pureview if it didn't meet his standards.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 02:07 PM

That's my point actually, who determines WHAT is fitting the Pureview branding. Us?

I didn't name it Pureview Phase 2, it's in the white paper. Yes if a direct comparison to 808 this is a stepback but then again, how do u improve the ori Pureview? In fact, if they were to have released it with say a 21MP sensor, you guys will STILL brand it as stepback, right?

Like I want to point out, we get into pointless debate on name, when we don't even bother to debate the tech.

I thought Nokia ended the MP race? Well, lets just see the end product 1st shall we?

Yes I was VERY impressed with Nokia Rich recording also. Sadly it's gone missing......

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Added on September 6, 2012, 2:28 pmThey are already at the LIMIT of how small the pixels inside the sensor can be. Remember, this is a sensor fitted into a phone, not camera or DSLR. This is why I said I don't think they can do anything for now except maybe their upcoming Graphene based sensor. In the end, all might come together in Phase 3, but that is just MY wishful thinking.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Sep 6 2012, 02:28 PM

Actually you're wrong, a company can redefine it's brand in any way it wants, at it's own cost & peril.

Slim body + huge sensor = impossible for now.

Well, I think the sifus here are not happy with it having the name Pureview at all so.....

Hahahaha!!! Okies! Except Nokia will be........

Your definition of Pureview there is exactly correct, leading innovations where no other has done it in phone industry. Now think, has any other phone have an OSI system like what Nokia just revealed? Can any other phone take low light pics like that without flash? I think the only phone that can is 808. Would be great if someone can show us some pics of that new tech against 808 without using flash.