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post Mar 4 2012, 02:58 PM

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anybody know the price for

TD090DWE 10.8V Cordless Impact Drvier - Model TD090DWE
http://www.makita.com.sg/products_details....ID=254&typeID=2
( Max fastening torque : 90N.m )
Net weight : 0.9kg (2.0lbs)


GDR 10,8-LI Professional , priced at about 400 bucks retail, some forummer said he got it at 300 (special friend price)
http://www.bosch-pt.com.my/papocs-my/Trade...21593/index.htm
( Torque, max. (hard screwdriving applications) 105 Nm )
Weight incl. battery 0,96 kg
TSbahathir
post Mar 4 2012, 04:02 PM

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I just published another youtube video clips demonstrating driving screw using several type of tools.

1) Phillips screwdriver, Torque: As much as my hand can twist. smile.gif
2) Mini ratchet socket/screwdriver, Torque: Larger than screwdriver smile.gif
3) Bosch iXO, 2nd generation. Torque: 4Nm
4) Makita TD0101F, impact driver. Torque: 100 Nm

I am not a skillful as a professionals...so, this might NOT representing the most efficient way for driving screw. smile.gif

Enjoy smile.gif



Thank you.

This post has been edited by bahathir: Mar 4 2012, 04:12 PM
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post Mar 4 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 4 2012, 02:58 PM)
anybody know the price for

GDR 10,8-LI Professional , priced at about 400 bucks retail, some forummer said he got it at 300 (special friend price)
http://www.bosch-pt.com.my/papocs-my/Trade...21593/index.htm
( Torque, max. (hard screwdriving applications) 105 Nm )
Weight incl. battery 0,96 kg
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Does it have a torque adjuster? My experience with this tool, you need to adjust the torque for certain screw. 105N is high for small screw.
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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 04:02 PM)
I am not a skillful as a professionals...so, this might the represent the most efficient way for driving screw. smile.gif
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i pity your wrist using the screwdriver...

damn 1/2 the video is showing you screwing and unscrewing the screw using a screwdriver..

give me back my 2 1/2 minutes . smile.gif lol ahha

nice vid.. smile.gif , thanks for sharing

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post Mar 4 2012, 04:15 PM

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Sorry for the typo... smile.gif

Yup... 2 1/2 minutes of exhaustive twisting. I can do the fast forward, but I really want the show the real thing and why I choose power tools. smile.gif

Imagine how hard to screw driving with hand tools. Actually, I already drove several time with hand tools, before taking the video. smile.gif BTW, most of the my screw driving were for wall anchoring, ie, screwing into wall plugs. That were much easier than what were in the video. smile.gif

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 04:02 PM)
I just published another youtube video clips demonstrating driving screw using several type of tools.

1) Phillips screwdriver, Torque:  As much as my hand can twist. smile.gif
2) Mini ratchet socket/screwdriver, Torque: Larger than screwdriver smile.gif
3) Bosch iXO, 2nd generation. Torque: 4Nm
4) Makita TD0101F, impact driver. Torque: 100 Nm

I am not a skillful as a professionals...so, this might the represent the most efficient way for driving screw. smile.gif

Enjoy smile.gif

Thank you.
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To buy a screwdriver, get a hand grip that diameter is big, have rubber grip and some flower pattern. It give you stroger force to turn.

I don't to use rachet. It difficult to central the turn and easlly spoil the screw head. Rachet mean for small place use.
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post Mar 4 2012, 04:28 PM

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Yes, ratchet driver is for small place and limited spaces, where we cannot use longer screwdriver.

Actually, I also have a ratchet screwdriver, but the handle diameter is smaller than the screwdriver in the video. I tried that also, and did not give a better result.

The problem with handtools is to keep the screwdriver at the screw's slot firmly, especially when we want to give extra torque/twist. It tend to move and slips, which may damaging the screw's head or the screwdriver's tip. The cheap screwdriver's tip is easier to be damaged and useless in no time. smile.gif


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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 04:28 PM)
Yes, ratchet driver is for small place and limited spaces, where we cannot use longer screwdriver.

Actually, I also have a ratchet screwdriver, but the handle diameter is smaller than the screwdriver in the video. I tried that also, and did not give a better result. 

The problem with handtools is to keep the screwdriver at the screw's slot firmly, especially when we want to give extra torque/twist. It tend to move and slips, which may damaging the screw's head or the screwdriver's tip. The cheap screwdriver's tip is easier to be damaged and useless in no time. smile.gif
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I have a rachet driver too. But rarely use.

Additional, look for screw driver that the tip )which about 10mm) is different color. Probably the color like brown, grey or black. Those tip is harden than the shaft side and not easlly damage.
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post Mar 4 2012, 05:17 PM

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Feb 27 2012, 12:13 PM)
I;ll check it out later.. or I may take the picure of the antenna in the roof attic. smile.gif
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Sorry for the delays... smile.gif Here is the picture of the antenna mounted in the roof's attic. smile.gif
I am using PVC pipe as the pole/mast. Easy to cut to the length I wanted.
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 4 2012, 04:43 PM)
Additional, look for screw driver that the tip )which about 10mm) is different color. Probably the color like brown, grey or black. Those tip is harden than the shaft side and not easlly damage.
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But, the cheap one from MYR2 shops also has the 'black' colored tip, and not as good as a branded one. smile.gif. I have several occasions when I really really need to drive screws, but the the screwdriver's tip was damaged, and really made me frustrated. Even a simple handtools also need to be good in quality.

So, if you want to use it for long time, get a better branded one from hardware shop.

This post has been edited by bahathir: Mar 4 2012, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 4 2012, 04:06 PM)
Does it have a torque adjuster? My experience with this tool, you need to adjust the torque for certain screw. 105N is high for small screw.
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no idea about the torque adjuster..

i think the trigger is some kind of control..

can't comment on it ... smile.gif
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post Mar 4 2012, 05:36 PM

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Yes, the impact driver has variable speed control trigger. Start with slow speed and practice using it for better control. I also using my impact driver to remove computer parts, electric fan and washing machine's screws. Most of the time, it did not engaged the 'impact' mechanism at all smile.gif

The cordless screwdriver, Bosch iXO which I was using in the video does not have any speed control.

Faster spin -> higher impact rate -> more torque.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 05:17 PM)
Sorry for the delays... smile.gif Here is the picture of the antenna mounted in the roof's attic. smile.gif
I am using PVC pipe as the pole/mast. Easy to cut to the length I wanted.
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Added on March 4, 2012, 5:29 pm

But,  the cheap one from MYR2 shops also has the 'black' colored tip, and not as good as a branded one. smile.gif. I have several occasions when I really really need to drive screws, but the the screwdriver's tip was damaged, and really made me frustrated. Even a simple handtools also need to be good in quality.

So, if you want to use it for long time, get a better branded one from hardware shop.
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The MYR2 already told you it is not. Cheat you with some coloring. biggrin.gif

I have some good screwdriver which the tip is harden and last long. This are from japan.


Added on March 4, 2012, 6:19 pm
QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 4 2012, 05:31 PM)
no idea about the torque adjuster..

i think the trigger is some kind of control..

can't comment on it ... smile.gif
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The 1 I use have torque adjust which normally adjust at 30-40Nm. That is about our normal hand torque. 105Nm can break the screw head specially small stainless screw.

This post has been edited by ozak: Mar 4 2012, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:15 PM)
The MYR2 already told you it is not. Cheat you with some coloring. biggrin.gif

I have some good screwdriver which the tip is harden and last long. This are from japan.


Added on March 4, 2012, 6:19 pm
The 1 I use have torque adjust which normally adjust at 30-40Nm. That is about our normal hand torque. 105Nm can break the screw head specially small stainless screw.
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+1. smile.gif I also had a pliers and set of precision screw drivers which I bought when I was in Japan, and were long lasting until they were lost ... smile.gif

Beside the tool's quality, using it appropriately also can make things last longer. Always use the correct tools.

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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 06:29 PM)
+1. smile.gif I also had a pliers and set of precision screw drivers which I bought when I was in Japan, and were long lasting until they were lost ... smile.gif

Beside the tool's quality, using it  appropriately also can make things last longer.  Always use the correct tools.
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My office have alot of japan made tool. Those japanese brought here and never take back. Some I ask them to steal from my HQ in japan. tongue.gif

After many years of use, I able to compare the quality with china or local make tool and what design of the tool is best.

Last time my japanese sifu always knock my head when I use wrong tool for the job. sad.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 4 2012, 06:58 PM)
\Last time my japanese sifu always knock my head when I use wrong tool for the job. sad.gif
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LOL... smile.gif at least we learned something... smile.gif ha ah ah a... The Japanese made tools are stronger then our head. smile.gif heh eh heh e..

Yes, Japanese are very strict when working in factories or construction sites. They don't want anything happen which may cause tool to damage, injuries or death. That's why if you read any branded power tool's manual, 70% of pages are about safety. and correct ways to use the tool.

In Japanese factories and construction sites, you will always see this slogan
安全第一
Anzen Dai Ichi.
which means, "Safety First"

Here in Malaysia, .. IMHO, I can say お金第一 (Okane DaiIchi).. which means... Money First. See at your nearest construction sites, how many workers are using safety harness? or at least crash helmet ? The safety guides are already there, but.... who read and follows those guides?

I hope we all can spend some time to read the power tool's manual, understand and follow it. Buy a good leather gloves, safet glasses/goggles, appropriate clothing and shoes while using the power tools.

Thank you.

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 4 2012, 04:06 PM)
i pity your wrist using the screwdriver...
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I once got a love blister in the middle of my palm from pushing down on the top of the screwdriver while twisting it.

QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 4 2012, 04:28 PM)
Yes, ratchet driver is for small place and limited spaces, where we cannot use longer screwdriver.

Actually, I also have a ratchet screwdriver, but the handle diameter is smaller than the screwdriver in the video. I tried that also, and did not give a better result. 

The problem with handtools is to keep the screwdriver at the screw's slot firmly, especially when we want to give extra torque/twist. It tend to move and slips, which may damaging the screw's head or the screwdriver's tip. The cheap screwdriver's tip is easier to be damaged and useless in no time. smile.gif
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bahathir, instead of holding the mini ratchet like you're flushing the toilet, try holding it backwards with your wrist above the screwdriver bit's axis ie. above the ratchet mechanism
You might need to place the bit between your fingers too.
That way you can push in and twist with one hand.
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Thank you for the suggestion. smile.gif Actually, I tried to drive the screw as FAST as possible, and the result is, what you can see in the video. smile.gif Freestyle twisting.. smile.gif I can put enough torque, but cannot twist quicker with the mini ratchet. Another feature of the mini ratchet is, it also come with hex socket wrenches. Next time, I may put some pictures how to use socket wrenches using impact driver and mini ratchet. It is nice small tool which I can carry along outdoor.
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QUOTE(bahathir @ Mar 5 2012, 09:59 AM)
Thank you for the suggestion. smile.gif Actually, I tried to drive the screw as FAST as possible, and the result is, what you can see in the video. smile.gif Freestyle twisting.. smile.gif I can put enough torque, but cannot twist quicker with the mini ratchet. Another feature of the mini ratchet is, it also come with hex socket wrenches. Next time, I may put some pictures how to use socket wrenches using impact driver and mini ratchet. It is nice small tool which I can carry along outdoor.
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BTW, where did you get the "Mini ratchet"?
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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Mar 4 2012, 02:58 PM)
anybody know the price for

TD090DWE 10.8V Cordless Impact Drvier - Model TD090DWE
http://www.makita.com.sg/products_details....ID=254&typeID=2
( Max fastening torque  :  90N.m )
Net weight  :  0.9kg (2.0lbs)
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If you want to buy Makita TD090DWE, try contact the sole distributer, Jasakita Berhad, and ask them the nearest reseller which selling that model. I contacted them, before I bought my rotary hammer. smile.gif

http://jasakita.com.my/


I found this comparison video, Makita TD0100 vs TD090DW, corded 100Nm vs cordless 90Nm. A newer cordless brushless impact driver, BTD14x series are more powerful, 140-165Nm, but, ... expensive and, you are very lucky if you found one in Malaysia. smile.gif



TQ smile.gif


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post Mar 5 2012, 01:34 PM

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Another type of impact driver, the soft impact driver.
The model, Makita 6963SPK Japan only model, and I really wish I can try one. The torque is only 30Nm, but enough for most screw driving tasks.




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