But you've got to hand it to him for doing the dirty job at the back.

Maybe it wasn't one of his better games but what he contributes defensively is important.

Charlie Adam and Steven Gerrard partnership has been proven to fail because Adam doesn't track his man or have good tactical defending awareness and that causes Gerrard to sit deep and not influence the attacking third at all.

No doubt Gerrard was lethal when he was played on the right but he was 25/26 then. Doubt we'll want to see a 31 year old being our primary right winger.

I still think because of his qualities and experience, it's better for him to influence the game from the centre like what Alonso did.

There's too much risk at stake at the moment but the one thing about KD is, he also pays attention to the younger players so this gives them the boost and hunger to want to make it.

Still love Danny Murphy. Wished he hadn't left so early.

Football has changed alot now. I think it's more demanding than it was before.

Even James Milner and Cesc Fabregas made their debuts at 16.

But to be honest, I remember I read that Morgan and Suso (not sure about Sterling and others) were given a chance to play with the reserves and they didn't do well enough which means they are not ready.

Anyways, does anyone think it's ridiculous if I were to pay more than 150 pounds for the Carling Cup Final tickets? lol

Of course we can! But will we? Hahaha.

I'm actually not as worried as when we play other teams because this season, we've performed decently against the bigger sides. It's just the other teams that worry me ...

I actually felt Ayala was a decent back up player at first. Didn't do too much wrong if I'm honest.

One player I'm actually quite disappointed in is Danny Wilson. I want him to do well and he came here with alot of reputation back in Rangers but he just can't get a game here and I remember watching him in the Europa League and one of the Premier League games and he really looked like he just couldn't handle it. I don't even know whether saying "he's only 19/20" will actually help his case because Robbo and Flanno are younger than him! But by the looks of it, he's well behind Coates now and probably even Kelly would get the nod at CB ahead of him!

Well, considering I just need to pay a train ticket to London and hopefully be able to crash at a mate's place there, it sounds like a good price but it will hurt to see more than 150 pounds go out of the bank when the tickets for the final are actually priced at 40, 56, 72 and 90.

I can't believe I missed it as well. It's Daniel Ayala! hahahaha

I just hope the likes of Suso, Morgan, Sterling, Amoo and even Wisdom can eventually make it to the first team. Steven Gerrard is the last player to actually come through the first team and make a huge impact. There are no players like Macca, Owen, Fowler, Carra or even Matteo or David Thompson now. Thank goodness Kelly and Spearing have been featuring more and more. For some reason, I feel really happy to see alot of products playing for the first team, like Barcelona!

Yeah, I study in the UK and London is about 2.5 hours away! Still costly, though.

I hate the SMS column of the Star. 99% of the texts are from Mancs winding others up and it's not like everyone's texts get put up there, just the annoying ones to make it a story. I remember looking at it in December and everyone was just going on about Suarez, Kenny and Liverpool being racists. Annoyed me too much that even I sent a reply, lol, and it got posted!

Didn't deserve anything from that game. Never looked like creating any chances, let alone score.

Now, had we gathered more points against the other teams at Anfield, this defeat wouldn't have hurt so much.

Can't see us going on a good 13 league games run either so there potentially won't be any Champions League again.

You mean me? and Duke_Red? xD

English media at its best.

Suarez refuses handshake = No sportsmanship but Suarez's action is understandable.

Ferdinand refused Suarez's as well and Evra celebrating IN FRONT of Suarez trying to wind him up = No One says anything about that.

Nah, I am part of the creating chances brigade but I know when the team doesn't deserve anything from a game like today, or against Spurs at WHL or Bolton away.

Anyways, welcome to life of a Liverpool fan. 1990-2012 is the shittiest years.

I think he didn't celebrate in front of the Liverpool section. He celebrated with the Mancs.

Sometimes I just feel like giving up football altogether.

Hahaha wanker Ferguson. He said Suarez is a disgrace to Liverpool FC and should never be allowed to play because he didn't shake Evra's hand.

Then I guess Roy Keane ending Haaland's career and Cantona Kung Fu kicking a fan is okay.

Everyone and anything that has to do with Manchester United have no class. From their Drunk Whiskey Manager to every single fan.

Ferguson pre match.."We havent discussed shaking hands.",
Ferguson Postmatch, We spoke about it this morning."

To be a convincing liar, you need to have a very good memory.

Hahahahaha.

This post has been edited by Adryan: Feb 12 2012, 06:20 AM

I exaggerated when I said "every" but I still mean more than 90%. I know very few who are decent.

Very good post, D_R.

I actually feel alot of pity for Suarez, it's just barely over a year since he's stayed in England and he has been labelled a racist, a disgrace and a cheat. He's been through very difficult few months and like you said, it's not only him who is affected. It's his family as well. I, myself, would be very displeased if I were labelled a racist when I have a black grandfather and various black friends. The fact that he even took his time to do a documentary in Africa says all about him. Link - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlLt5sMc4wU. And this was even before the incident took place.

Looking back at the various videos, I looked as though Suarez was going to shake his hand or at least a slap (his hand was at a consistent height) but Evra's hand lowered when Suarez approached (despite having his hand at a consistent level with all the players before Suarez). Suarez probably assumed Evra didn't want to shake so he moved on and then Evra grabbed Suarez. That made it look like Suarez was the one who refuse but his arm was there to be shaken but why did Evra not reach out? It would be ridiculous to suggest Suarez had to pull Evra's hand.

Anyways, I wanted Suarez to shake his hand and put all these to bed but I can also understand that he didn't. I mean, Evra just ruined his reputation and had him serve an 8 match ban for an incident lacking concrete evidence. I wanted Suarez to be the bigger man. Fair play to him for not acting like how Evra acted when Ferdinand snubbed his handshake and for going unprovoked when Evra was celebrating in front of him at the final whistle. Plus, if someone had actually ruined my reputation and put be into messes like these, I wouldn't have shook his hand either because I believe I'm innocent and I stand by that.

I want this issue to be put to rest but it isn't helped by the media as well. They've blown this out of proportion, IMO and it has led to this.

We certainly didn't deserve to win or even score, to be honest. It was always going to be difficult because very few teams actually come away from Old Trafford with points. Spearing made a mistake which proved costly and the two goals in the first 5 minutes of the second half really killed us and we got our goal too late to actually try to push on for another.

4th place is still within our grasp as we're four points of it right now with Newcastle and Chelsea losing.

I just wished we had collected more points at home. Then a defeat to United or a draw with Spurs wouldn't have felt so terrible. We face Arsenal next in the league as well and that's crucial because it could be a 1 point or a 7 point gap. Our last few weeks haven't been great because we've faced alot of tough teams - Man United, Man City, Spurs and Arsenal about to come soon.

That's what I notice about Mancs. I remember when they beat one of the other big four teams and everyone in college were wearing United tops on Monday. I'm not that kind of fan. When Liverpool won 4-1 at Old Trafford in 2009, I still remember going to college that same year, deciding not to wear my Liverpool top. I didn't even mention the game to my Manc friends.

It is not about that. It's about being disgraceful.

Aggression is part of football you don't go kungfu kicking a fan, god damn it. And you don't cause injuries that lead to someone's football career end.

Proof that Suarez is racist? Just because he said a word that is common in his country but not acceptable in another doesn't prove he's racist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SewQUYIRPIM...player_embedded

Take a piss, soft lad.

Suarez offered his hand. Evra lowered his. Suarez just moved on, assuming Evra didn't want to then Evra grabs his hand to make it look it was Suarez who refused.

At the same time Evra looks at the camera. Coincidence no? He planned it.

Don't forget this!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUqg49uKIfE