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cbinn
post Jan 26 2012, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(watonk @ Jan 26 2012, 03:52 PM)
Anybody here changed to HID, how's the headlamp casing? Any meltdown? Also share what HID brand u're using.
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I am using HID to replace the 2 low beam headlamp behind the standard projector lens housing. Been using it since I got the car Oct last year, lots of night drive, my mileage now is close to 15k.

This could be long and boring writeup for those who already DIY their HID or familiar with it, so bear with the long posting.

Type and brand. There are plenty in the market. Branded ones like Philips or PIAA easily cost you above RM500. There are also a lot of china and claimed-to-be taiwan made kits that cost below RM300. I am using those below RM300, no particular brand printed on the ballast or bulb (I think to avoid legal implication, probably they could have broken down those branded ones to copy their circuit and design).

For balast wise, there are regular size and slim size ballast. Honestly I do not see much different except for the size itself. Regular balast have the ignitor built into the balast thus bigger, but will have one less component dangling around, while slim balast type have an external ignitor. adding up, both design roughly take up almost similar amount of space to install. I am using the slim balast type. I tied the ignitor box using zip tie to the balast and make them into a single unit for neater installation.

For the bulbs, there are 2 things to choose. The wattage normally is 35 watt, and that already is roughly twice as bright when compared to a 5 watt halogen bulb. Some people opt for 55 watt hid system, which I do not recommend because apart from endangering other road users with excessive glare, you are attracting enforcement officers to flag you down for some chat, besides, there could be too much heat to the lamp housing. Second thing to look at is the colour temperature. Our normal halogen bulb is about 3300k in colour temperature. Typical HID bulb is 4300k, which is white but still slightly yellowish. 6000k bulb is very white with slight blue. 8000k and above is bluish to purplish. To avoid inviting trouble when passing roadblocks, try to keep it at 4300k. JPJ website says all HID modification is illegal unless from original car manufacturer. Insight have projector lens headlight, so the light beams are well focused and controlled. And you can point it further down using the level adjustment. My point is, when it is not excessively glaring, you are less likely to get into trouble with the law enforcement part.

Heat wise, actually, when using an IR thermometer to test both type of bulb (55 watt standard halogen vs 35 watt HID) that had been turned on for 30 minutes, HID bulb actually reads slightly lower temperature than halogen. This could be due to the low wattage of HID, and also HID are more efficient converting electricity to light while halogen waste a lot of energy producing heat. Halogen bulb also emits more IR than HID.

Now comes the most important part, installation. Some of the issue heard like meltdown of lamp housing, burnt wires or fuse, are normally due to improper installation (although some could be due to the defects from the ultra-cheap aftermarket kits).

The standard wiring that runs to the halogen bulb is quite thin, so if you are using the 35 watt HID kit, I would say it is quite safe to use the same wire to directly power the HID kit, otherwise, you will have to consider adding relay harness. Problem with my kit is that the power source wire only comes with two metal pins for you to slot them into the standard bulb connector for the HID to get power supply, making them stay in position and water proof is a bit of work. Loose pin may cause arching or even worst, shorting the entire lamp circuitary, so pay some extra attention here.

Second this is the bulb, never touch the glass surface of the bulb. When installing bulb to housing, the original bulb will give a click feeling when it is in position, but my aftermarket HID bulb does not do so, so after installation, do extra visual inspection and try pulling or twisting the bulb and see whether it could easily dislodge or not. A lot of cases of burnt housing is caused by bulb that are not properly installed, dislodged from the mounting when the car in motion and the hot bulb surface touching the plastic part of the housing thus melting it. This hardly happen to standard halogen bulb as I had mentioned earlier, it has a click to indicate proper installation so it rarely goes wrong.

As for the balast, bear in mind that the 12v power supply entering it would be converted to very high voltage to power the HID bulb, thus the wiring existing the balast would probably carries more than 20000 volts. Anyway, SOP for car wiring works, make sure none of the wires hanging freely or could potentially tangle into moving parts or hot area of the car, especially the engine belting, block etc., make sure none of the wires are under stress or being pressed against any metallic part that could damage its insulation. The balast do produce some heat and gets warm in operation, so best to mount it properly onto metal parts of the car body, if possible in places where would not get wet when driving in rain or through watery road.
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post Jan 26 2012, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Jan 26 2012, 04:48 PM)
Just sharing what I understand about how Insight starts its engine.

Under normal circumstances where your IMA battery is not completely exhausted (which very rarely would as the computer will try its best to keep it at least 20% soc or above unless you left the car parked for more than a month without start), the car engine would be crank started using the IMA motor instead of the normal starrter motor. IMA motor will spin up the engine before resuming the combustion cycle, it is kind of like we push-start a manual car with a dead battery.

Because this process does not involve the use to starter motor powered by the 12V battery, and the starting method is to spin up the entire engine to speed and resume the combustion cycle i.e. fuel injector, spark plugs and valve trains, the engine is kind of like 'resuming from hybernation' instead of starting from stop.

If you notice, starting Insight with this method is extremely fast and quiet when compared to cranking up any of the non-hybrid car using a regular 12v starter motor.

As other forumers had mentioned, this is actually a designed feature and definitely this revolutionary method of starting the car avoid those wear and tear produced by regular starter motor. This method also reduce a lot of polution and dirt builtup as the first cycle of fuel injected when starting engine will be completely burned (as engine already spinned up to speed using the IMA motor), while in regular starter vehicle, the few engine cycle during cranking up left behind unburned fuel, which turns to carbon deposit in combustion chamber and exhaust system.

Finally, starting the vehicle using the IMA instead of 12V system reduce stress to the 12V supply system, as you will not get power surge or sudden voltage drop during engine start, thus can help to prolong the lifespan of all 12V equipment and accessories from faulire caused by power fluctuation.
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this is a very good sharing! now i hv better understanding on how the system works!! thks cbinn!!!
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post Jan 26 2012, 08:16 PM

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hie...anyone have problem with the back shock absorber? my car almost a year and i had to change both for rear wheel.. i believe the QC for shock absorber is bad. will make complain to honda malaysia soon! hmm.gif
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Hi all Insight Owner, I hv contacted Mr Chong P.I.C. for SierraGlow. He said their price is the cheapest in the market and refuse to reduce the price. He also mention too many ffk and many empty promise. I told him i'll let him knw how many cars we have and will pay deposit 1st to avoid ffk. He said let him knw again after confirm.

The price is RM600 before discount, will try to get RM550. Whoever interested with SierraGlow paint coating program can put ur name here.

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post Jan 26 2012, 09:36 PM

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Still waiting for my bonuses..count me in for SG at least end of Feb.
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post Jan 26 2012, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Jan 26 2012, 05:43 PM)
I am using HID to replace the 2 low beam headlamp behind the standard projector lens housing. Been using it since I got the car Oct last year, lots of night drive, my mileage now is close to 15k.

This could be long and boring writeup for those who already DIY their HID or familiar with it, so bear with the long posting.

Type and brand. There are plenty in the market. Branded ones like Philips or PIAA easily cost you above RM500. There are also a lot of china and claimed-to-be taiwan made kits that cost below RM300. I am using those below RM300, no particular brand printed on the ballast or bulb (I think to avoid legal implication, probably they could have broken down those branded ones to copy their circuit and design).

For balast wise, there are regular size and slim size ballast. Honestly I do not see much different except for the size itself. Regular balast have the ignitor built into the balast thus bigger, but will have one less component dangling around, while slim balast type have an external ignitor. adding up, both design roughly take up almost similar amount of space to install. I am using the slim balast type. I tied the ignitor box using zip tie to the balast and make them into a single unit for neater installation.

For the bulbs, there are 2 things to choose. The wattage normally is 35 watt, and that already is roughly twice as bright when compared to a 5 watt halogen bulb. Some people opt for 55 watt hid system, which I do not recommend because apart from endangering other road users with excessive glare, you are attracting enforcement officers to flag you down for some chat, besides, there could be too much heat to the lamp housing. Second thing to look at is the colour temperature. Our normal halogen bulb is about 3300k in colour temperature. Typical HID bulb is 4300k, which is white but still slightly yellowish. 6000k bulb is very white with slight blue. 8000k and above is bluish to purplish. To avoid inviting trouble when passing roadblocks, try to keep it at 4300k. JPJ website says all HID modification is illegal unless from original car manufacturer. Insight have projector lens headlight, so the light beams are well focused and controlled. And you can point it further down using the level adjustment. My point is, when it is not excessively glaring, you are less likely to get into trouble with the law enforcement part.

Heat wise, actually, when using an IR thermometer to test both type of bulb (55 watt standard halogen vs 35 watt HID) that had been turned on for 30 minutes, HID bulb actually reads slightly lower temperature than halogen. This could be due to the low wattage of HID, and also HID are more efficient converting electricity to light while halogen waste a lot of energy producing heat. Halogen bulb also emits more IR than HID.

Now comes the most important part, installation. Some of the issue heard like meltdown of lamp housing, burnt wires or fuse, are normally due to improper installation (although some could be due to the defects from the ultra-cheap aftermarket kits).

The standard wiring that runs to the halogen bulb is quite thin, so if you are using the 35 watt HID kit, I would say it is quite safe to use the same wire to directly power the HID kit, otherwise, you will have to consider adding relay harness. Problem with my kit is that the power source wire only comes with two metal pins for you to slot them into the standard bulb connector for the HID to get power supply, making them stay in position and water proof is a bit of work. Loose pin may cause arching or even worst, shorting the entire lamp circuitary, so pay some extra attention here.

Second this is the bulb, never touch the glass surface of the bulb. When installing bulb to housing, the original bulb will give a click feeling when it is in position, but my aftermarket HID bulb does not do so, so after installation, do extra visual inspection and try pulling or twisting the bulb and see whether it could easily dislodge or not. A lot of cases of burnt housing is caused by bulb that are not properly installed, dislodged from the mounting when the car in motion and the hot bulb surface touching the plastic part of the housing thus melting it. This hardly happen to standard halogen bulb as I had mentioned earlier, it has a click to indicate proper installation so it rarely goes wrong.

As for the balast, bear in mind that the 12v power supply entering it would be converted to very high voltage to power the HID bulb, thus the wiring existing the balast would probably carries more than 20000 volts. Anyway, SOP for car wiring works, make sure none of the wires hanging freely or could potentially tangle into moving parts or hot area of the car, especially the engine belting, block etc., make sure none of the wires are under stress or being pressed against any metallic part that could damage its insulation. The balast do produce some heat and gets warm in operation, so best to mount it properly onto metal parts of the car body, if possible in places where would not get wet when driving in rain or through watery road.
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wow, u r pro, dude!
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post Jan 26 2012, 09:47 PM

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Im using HID osram xenerac 4300k for maIn beam and fog light so far no ossue with police... I choose a better brand for reliability and the k colour is more accurate more towards yellow white smile.gif

My rear absorber koyak at 5000 service waiting For parts fr japan to replace it smile.gif

Other quite ok insight start the car with ima motor no 12v starter very efficient and quiet haha like it
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post Jan 26 2012, 09:50 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 26 2012, 09:47 PM)
Im using HID osram xenerac 4300k for maIn beam and fog light so far no ossue with police... I choose a better brand for reliability and the k colour is more accurate more towards yellow white smile.gif

My rear absorber koyak at 5000 service waiting For parts fr japan to replace it smile.gif

Other quite ok insight start the car with ima motor no 12v starter very efficient and quiet haha like it
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hey bro, can u recommend a good accessories shop to do this HID replacement?


Added on January 26, 2012, 9:52 pm
QUOTE(mrsafwan @ Jan 26 2012, 04:57 PM)
picta pelis
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haven't taken pix since changing to new set of Enkei rims, will update u soon smile.gif

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QUOTE(chris_tco @ Jan 26 2012, 09:50 PM)
hey bro, can u recommend a good accessories shop to do this HID replacement?


Added on January 26, 2012, 9:52 pm
haven't taken pix since changing to new set of Enkei rims, will update u soon smile.gif
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Puchong beside perodua showroom the accessories shop


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post Jan 26 2012, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 26 2012, 10:04 PM)
Puchong beside perodua showroom the accessories shop
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u know the name of the shop?
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QUOTE(Nievk8701 @ Jan 26 2012, 08:16 PM)
Hi all Insight Owner, I hv contacted Mr Chong P.I.C. for SierraGlow. He said their price is the cheapest in the market and refuse to reduce the price. He also mention too many ffk and many empty promise. I told him i'll let him knw how many cars we have and will pay deposit 1st to avoid ffk. He said let him knw again after confirm.

The price is RM600 before discount, will try to get RM550. Whoever interested with SierraGlow paint coating program can put ur name here.

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it is worth every penny rclxm9.gif
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QUOTE(chris_tco @ Jan 26 2012, 10:14 PM)
u know the name of the shop?
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There is only 1 acc shop
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post Jan 26 2012, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 26 2012, 09:47 PM)
Im using HID osram xenerac 4300k for maIn beam and fog light so far no ossue with police... I choose a better brand for reliability and the k colour is more accurate more towards yellow white smile.gif

My rear absorber koyak at 5000 service waiting For parts fr japan to replace it smile.gif

Other quite ok insight start the car with ima motor no 12v starter very efficient and quiet haha like it
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How much you got your Osram XenArc bro? Care to share?
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post Jan 26 2012, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 26 2012, 10:39 PM)
it is worth every penny  rclxm9.gif
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How about I do Permanon for one of you guys for FREE first? And you tell me what is worth every penny?
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jan 26 2012, 11:12 PM)
How about I do Permanon for one of you guys for FREE first? And you tell me what is worth every penny?
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Permanon is good but it only lasted me 4 month then need re-apply
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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jan 26 2012, 11:12 PM)
How about I do Permanon for one of you guys for FREE first? And you tell me what is worth every penny?
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no point to Permanon if the underlying base is not clean. And i doubt the majority here knows how to clean the underlying base. In fact, most car owners don't even know how to wash a car.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 26 2012, 11:51 PM)
Permanon is good but it only lasted me 4 month then need re-apply
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So it costs you how much? When you did others outside, the maintenance? and Warranty? Somehow you paying your own warranty?

Well just IMHO... I know everyone thinks differently... Maybe it is just me, SG, PPS, Ultra Glass... Its all good, but the maintenance...

QUOTE(lunchtime @ Jan 26 2012, 11:57 PM)
no point to Permanon if the underlying base is not clean. And i doubt the majority here knows how to clean the underlying base. In fact, most car owners don't even know how to wash a car.
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You got a good point, preparation is essential.
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post Jan 27 2012, 12:22 AM

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But permanon is easy to apply love it as it require no buff just mix water and spray easy...

But i miss the shiny look... Oh it works superb on windshield too!! Works way netter than rainX hahaha

Overall permanon is not bad just my car has too much stone chip...
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post Jan 27 2012, 12:48 AM

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QUOTE(ZeroSP @ Jan 27 2012, 12:01 AM)
So it costs you how much? When you did others outside, the maintenance? and Warranty? Somehow you paying your own warranty?

Well just IMHO... I know everyone thinks differently... Maybe it is just me, SG, PPS, Ultra Glass... Its all good, but the maintenance...
You got a good point, preparation is essential.
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hi, do u sell WS Platinum Lack Protecktor Wax from Germany? I've been looking for it months, but can't find it in malaysia. If u have, i want to purchase from u.
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 27 2012, 12:22 AM)
But permanon is easy to apply love it as it require no buff just mix water and spray easy...

But i miss the shiny look... Oh it works superb on windshield too!! Works way netter than rainX hahaha

Overall permanon is not bad just my car has too much stone chip...
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Yes, I stopped my rainaway too... But if you worry the shiny look, please rest assured Permanon Platinum is coming in... It is just slightly expensive, even more we have Permanon Aircraft soon, the top grade used for planes/ship/train.

QUOTE(chris_tco @ Jan 27 2012, 12:48 AM)
hi, do u sell WS Platinum Lack Protecktor Wax from Germany? I've been looking for it months, but can't find it in malaysia. If u have, i want to purchase from u.
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Too bad I don't have contact for that yet... But as a piece of humble advice, why wax when you can do coating at such cheap price?

Not saying expensive is good, or cheap is no good... But even the weakest coating will be better than wax... smile.gif

And if you insist on wax, I recommend Optimum Car Wax... Same spray on just like Permanon, and good thing is... It doesn't suffer the weaknesses if wax after rain... Strongly recommended for wax users... One bottle easily last you for 3-4 years...

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