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post Mar 14 2012, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Mar 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
Lead acid battery is used in car because it can stands many cycle of charge (when engine runs) and discharge (when you start vehicle or use 12V power without running engine e.g. alarm and door locks or even when you left the car not being driven for too long i.e. self-discharge).

However, there is a shortcoming of lead acid battery i.e. it cannot be left over-discharged or being in discharged state for too long period of time. This will lead to a phenomenon call sulfation or formation of lead sulfate in the battery which is irreversable and reducing the ability to accept and store charge thus reducing the battery capacity.

Based on this, there are some steps that one could try to practice to prolong the lifespan of your car 12V battery:

1) Try your best not to use the battery when the engine is not running e.g. leaving the car door open for very long which turns on the room lights, turing on radio or headlights without engine running, letting your kids play with the power windows etc.

2) While waiting to pick up people, whenever it is possible and safe, do not leave the headlights on even if the engine is running. Apart from putting stress to alternator, the headlight assembly will heat up, causing lens to turn yellowish or fade faster.

3) Do not always full blast your air cond blower. If you get into a car that was parked for too long under hot sun, open all windows when start driving to allow hot air to escape will be a better solution.

4) If you install any aftermarket audio system, rever camera, alarm or lighting, make sure the wiring are donw properly, does not create any shorts and unnecessary circuits are turned off together with ignition to prevent power drain when the car is parked.

5) Avoid short trips (e.g. less than 3 minutes) engine start and stop. Starter motor draws a lot of power and a 3 minutes trip may not be long enough for the alternator to recharge back the power consumed (especially if it is a night driving with headlights, aircond and audio system full blast).

People may ask, when my car is running, my alternator is on and my battery would be recharged so why I have to worry of keeping 12v accessories turned off to save power? The alternator for smaller cc car (usually those 1500 and below) are designed not to load the combustion engine too much in order for the engine to have more power to move the car and maintain the car's high fuel efficiency. In order to maintain the load to be small, the alternator produces lesser power. Usually designer calculated the power output to be slight over the regular consumption of all the 12V accessories under normal use (daytime could be hotter so aircond use more but headlight off, night time headlight on but cooler weather so air cond blower not at high speed). The extra from the slightly over output of the alternator is used to top up the 12v battery depleted by engine starter, accessories usage during stop e.g. alarm and also due to self discharge (normally between 3 to 20% a month depending on quality and size of battery).

Based on the above, if your trip is too short, or you have big amplifiers blasting away with air cond at full speed and headlights on most of the time, chances are your alternator output are just sufficient for accessories or even worst, at deficit, thus either not charging or instead actually draining your 12v battery.

To maintain good lifespan of a lead acid battery, it is normally not recommended to allow the battery to be discharged more than 75% of its capacity. The more it get discharged, the more sulfation would happen and the lower the battery capacity. When batery capacity becomes low, there is more chance you going to discharge it more, thus the effect is exponential when near the end of the battery life. In order to save weight, modern small CC car uses smaller battery, thus smaller capacity and higher chance to get badly discharged more than bigger batteries.

Sideline a bit, Insight does not have a regular alternator and power steering that are driven by belt by the combustion engine, that's why even when the engine is just 1300 cc, it felt so light. Insight does have power steering, but it is driven by electric motor. The only belt driven subsystem in Insight is the air cond compressor.
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nice. thanks for sharing.

iTrump
post Mar 14 2012, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(Lucky_Wishes @ Mar 14 2012, 01:59 PM)
guys... how to remove water mark on windscreen? I tried with car shampoo, but it doesn't work, anyone experience this?
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with white vinegar ?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2271198_remove-wat...om-vehicle.html

iTrump
post Mar 18 2012, 12:09 AM

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QUOTE(CLL @ Mar 17 2012, 01:50 PM)
If I buy, i can adjust under my house loan.  Spoke to the bank already.  Can take on additional bank loan but use it to pay the owner.  So the rate is like housing loan....
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house loan? Thought house loan is much higher at blr - 1.5, around 5% currently ?
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post Mar 20 2012, 11:58 AM

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Regretted to change to tire size 205/45/16. It required much more effort to keep up with my previous fc of > 19km/L. Especially on short distance, the fuel dropped so obvious compare to the stock tire.

Honda insight come with small tire to maximize the FC with lower resistance. I think for those travel in city most of the time, stick to the stock tire size for better FC, and those travel lots on highway, try wider tire for better stability.

So hard to get best of both world. haha.

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post Mar 20 2012, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ Mar 20 2012, 12:34 PM)
I think 205 is too wide. My opinion. 195/50r16 would be a better choice if wanna go wider. But I
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Stick back with the factory size. Just get the better tire brand like mcheline xm2. Compare to the noise hard surface dunlop tire that came with it. There is a reason why they have a specific tire size for specific car. The had tuned the car for the right size of tires.
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http://www.hybridcars.com/decision-process...ires-26214.html

My next tires change will be Goodyear Assurance Fuel Max!
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post Mar 20 2012, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(watonk @ Mar 20 2012, 02:38 PM)
Does it comes with 185/16 or 195/16? dealer?
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http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2055801

from the forum, it got size for 195/50R16 with the price of RM255.
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post Mar 21 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(n00b123 @ Mar 21 2012, 01:47 PM)
Just changed my air filter to K&N filter
was kinda surprised to see the original filter was so dirty just after 23k mileage
noticed a slight increase in terms of performance in acceleration & fc...
not sure if it was due the original one was too dirty...
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How much for the K&N air filter? At my recent 30km service, it changed the Element Assy, air cleaner which I suppose is the air filter. It cost RM105 and is scheduled for change every 30km.
Is it better to change K&N or keep to the stock air filter?

http://www.knfilters.com/news/news.aspx?id=2118
I think worth it in long run.

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iTrump
post Mar 27 2012, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(demonxyz @ Mar 27 2012, 12:43 AM)
Me me me biggrin.gif Got my boot tray from tinted film shop at rm180


Added on March 27, 2012, 12:49 am

I remember someone here did mention a fiber shop at cheras area, rm250 for Mugen wing, correct me if I'm wrong hmm.gif
And I know a shop named Rexxstyling in Shah Alam selling ducktail spoiler at rm390, very expensive.
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Ducktail spoiler will look nice and special... but RM390 is too EXPENSIVE.
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post Apr 4 2012, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(izmel_s @ Apr 4 2012, 01:27 PM)
how to last the car for 5 years with all the problems coming within 1 yr .. my fren sold off his insight after 6 months n bought a civic .. no more nightmares bout the battery prob ...
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What are the problems your friend facing?
Just reached 1 year old for my Insight, clocked 33k, service n perform like normal car.
The bad thing is mental toward getting the best FC ... a little obsessed to drive eco-ly to maintain below 6L/100km / > 19km/L. If somehow not able to get the targeted FC for that tank of fuel, will be little sad...lol

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post Apr 10 2012, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(eltaria @ Apr 10 2012, 12:37 PM)
Have a read, it talks about honda's built in maintenance reminder.
And more importantly, based on this, our actual service maintenance should be much lower.

This is honda's built in feature, and it should be supported by honda themselves... however, I reckon if follow this, I should still be in my 2nd service, instead of my 4th service now! 50% service reduction~

http://www.curryhondaga.com/honda-maintena...-atlanta-ga.htm

What do you guys think? Should we highlight this and bring up to the service center? If they say will void warranty, can we legally challenge their claim of warranty void? Since we're just following the function that's made by honda to help us save cost, and save the environment too.

Apparently, the US people use this service reminder to do their services...


Added on April 10, 2012, 12:38 pmPicture

More info..
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I Support this move! 10k interval service!

iTrump
post Apr 12 2012, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(watonk @ Apr 12 2012, 04:36 PM)
I saw somebody selling Insight bodykit very cheap in mudah;

http://www.mudah.my/Honda+insight+12+modul...nt-14564541.htm

enjoy!
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Wow... tat is cheap! Have anyone contact? kindly do share your experience...
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post Apr 21 2012, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(kets @ Apr 21 2012, 12:58 PM)
Any of you guys using 195 50 16 tyres?
loads of difference or might as well stick with stock 185 55 16?
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I am using 205/45/16! Initially very regret of choosing the wider size because of very bad FC, shooting to > 6L/100km, but now I am Happy! Result of the bad FC is because of not enough pressure pumped. I tried pump 240(front), 230 (back) psi and now constantly getting <6L/100km for the past month.

But I think 195 50 16 will still be the better size.
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post Apr 24 2012, 12:23 PM

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QUOTE(Nievk8701 @ Apr 24 2012, 11:08 AM)
i wanted to change my tyre to 195/55/16 but the tyre shop guy say cannot fit on stock rims.... so disappointed.
u guys manage to fit 205/45/16 on stock rims?
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Yar.. using stock rims.. but some dents only after a year.. thanks to the potholes on road!
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post May 14 2012, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ May 14 2012, 07:11 AM)
Just try your best to maintain more than 20km/l reading for every driving trip and you should be able to do at least 650km per tank of fuel.

With the reading of the attached image, which is around 22km/l, I am getting around 700km before fuel warning lights come on.

You can get at least 20km/l if mixed driving around 30% traffic jam and 70% smooth crusing around 80 to 100km/l. Frequent stop will lower the km/l reading e.g. a lot of traffic lights or road junction. Heavy aircond  usage greatly reduce autostop and lowers km/l too. My aircond temperature control rarely goes below 25 degrees celcius. I get around 24km/l because I to drive to work much earlier, so  no jam at all and minimal aircond usage.

Anyway, I am happy to get anything above 18km/l, that's my minimal target. Compared to my previous non hybrid which is only around 9km/l, and my previous monthly petrol bill of around RM1200 a month, this car saves me at least RM600 monthly.
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Super impressive FC.


Added on May 14, 2012, 9:04 am
QUOTE(babysmile @ May 13 2012, 11:12 PM)
@All insight owner

I have draft out few templates for everyone to use using discussion in this Thread for me easy to put in the summary on the first page . Hope everyone able to use these templates to ask question. 

1. Fuel - To discuss the average fuel you have use and recommend or not recommend.
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Coding as below :
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[B][SIZE=6][COLOR=blue] Fuel Mileage Sharing [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
Driving : % City / % Highway / % Urban / % Hillside
Traffic : Smooth / Jam / Very Jam
Fuel Brand :
Fuel RON : 95 / 97
ECON Mode : ON/ OFF
Average Speed :
Fuel Consumed :
Total KM from the meter :
Remaining KM from the meter :
Extra Notes :


2. Accessories - To discuss any parts purchase from anywhere and introduce or warning to others.
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Coding as below :
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[B][SIZE=6][COLOR=blue]Accesories Sharing [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
Product :
Price : Product + Installation ( extra or DIY )
Where to get : Shop location or Online via website
How is it use :
Rated of Happy on the product : 10/10 ?
Honda Original Accessories : Yes with part number / No
Photo :
Extra Notes :


3. Problem Solving - To discuss any faulty or problem involved from the car and is there any solution able to solve.
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Coding as below :
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[B][SIZE=6][COLOR=blue] Problem Solving [/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]
Problem : What is happen ?
KM Mileage at the time :
When owner get this car on First day : Month / Year
Which Honda SC person / technician have been talk and location :
Part number & Price if know :
Solution :
How long did Honda SC able to solve :  
Photo :
Extra Notes :  

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Good effort! Let's make it a better Honda Insight community!


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iTrump
post May 21 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(loon23 @ May 21 2012, 02:26 PM)
full tank 40 litres can go up to how many KM ?
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Although the tank is 40 liters, I think no one ever use up to 40L as the fuel indicator will show 0 at about 33l... and most eco driver out there will have no problem of getting around 600km, with 33L of fuel.
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post May 21 2012, 06:41 PM

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[quote=tkingt,May 21 2012, 06:38 PM]
OMG..
urs is very save..
I dunno what happen with mine:

DRIVING: 80%City 20%Highway
TRAFFIC: No JAM (Mostly drive on weekend)
FUEL BRAND: Shell
FUEL: Ron 95
ECON MODE: ON
AVERAGE SPEED:80-100km/h
FUEL CONSUMED: Until low fuel warning prompt
TRAVEL: 450KM (Maximum)
REMAINING KM READING: low fuel warning prompt
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[/quote]

Haiz... i was my Insight send to honda service center(PJ Sec 13 - Auto Sumber Edaran).. according to them
that is normal.

I am so disappointed with them, I expect Hybrid can go for more than normal non hybrid car... but who know.. it look about the same only.

Any suggestion? Anything that i can do?

Please advise.

Thanks ya.
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[/quote]

You could probably join/organise a TT session with fellow insight drivers near your area. Share the driving experience... maybe it can help.

iTrump
post May 22 2012, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 22 2012, 12:10 PM)
my best km is 580km city + highway
i only managed to got 600km once when go out station.

really dunno how the other members manage to get 600km every time
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Ya .. is not easy.. especially when you are in city areas where there is frequent jam/ traffic lights. For those able to hit 600km, for sure that they did not stuck in a heavy traffic jam, have make sure that their tires pressure is correct and have maintain a smooth driving for that tank of petrol.
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post May 23 2012, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(dc_hunter @ May 23 2012, 04:34 PM)
anyone done their 40k km service?

I would like to know how long the service will take and how much is the charges.

Mine going to reach 40k soon... now 39k
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I got call from the service center that my coming 40k is a big service and need 4hours. It going to be expensive!

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post May 23 2012, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(ongdennis @ May 23 2012, 05:51 PM)
remember to ask them, how come jazz hybrid is so cheap compare to insight in 40k km service.
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I asked. The sc guy told me because Jazz is import from Thailand and Insight is from Japan. Thus parts are more expensive.
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post May 23 2012, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ May 23 2012, 06:26 PM)
what is ur SA talking about. now only Japan building HYbrids for honda. Thailand planning to build jazz hybrid soon.

could u list down the items on the 40k service?
thanks

I assumed is the fuel filter, air filter, aircon filter and aircon service, and CVTF. All these are the expensive items and labour
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LOL... ya.. i just google. You know ar.. the standard of SC, sometimes we know more than them.. becos goggle is our best friend.

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