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 To those who think it's easy reaching sub 10% bf, You might not be as lean as you think

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post Dec 21 2011, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(ChinHong86 @ Dec 20 2011, 11:41 PM)
this question very cruel
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no lah, I dont think its cruel, its a valid question smile.gif

Doctor pun human jugak, we are all bound to err and mistakes, by that I dont mean he is wrong and I'm right or vice-versa. I just put forth my POV to be discussed and debated....thats all thumbup.gif

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post Dec 21 2011, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Dec 20 2011, 11:28 PM)
nope, but then couldnt it be just you?  tongue.gif

My friend is sub 10, and while I was in US, some of my gym friends and my trainer as well, who was sub 10, some feel cold and some dont.

Yes I do agree you do loose some insulation factor, but biologically I dont think that plays a major role.

Sorry, if I sounded serious  whistling.gif , just sharing what I know, thats all.
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Of course it does. DL used to be bulky with way higher BF%. he'd know the diffference. WHat are u even talkin about? His comparison is to within oneself. when one has higher BF compared to when the same person have lower BF.

u can't compare person A and B for this matter.

i used to be leaner with much low BF compared to now. and trust it was f***in cold. i lived in the US too. so i know what i'm talkin bout. but now, that i'm more bulky with higher BF, it's freakin hot all the time. doh.gif
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post Dec 21 2011, 06:37 PM

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Lol some of you fellas are missing the point here. It doesn't matter if you're hot or cold, or lukewarm or boiling. Why argue semantics?

The point is, low bodyfat is not easy to achieve and most people underestimate theirs. Including me. I thought i was around 8% but calipers and some electronic gadget thingie measured mine at 9%.

So I is very sad.

This post has been edited by darklight79: Dec 21 2011, 06:37 PM
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post Dec 21 2011, 07:00 PM

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dont be sad. cut more .... !! biggrin.gif
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post Dec 21 2011, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Dec 21 2011, 07:00 PM)
dont be sad. cut more .... !! biggrin.gif
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Bleh. It's annoying.
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post Dec 21 2011, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 21 2011, 06:37 PM)
Lol some of you fellas are missing the point here. It doesn't matter if you're hot or cold, or lukewarm or boiling. Why argue semantics?

The point is, low bodyfat is not easy to achieve and most people underestimate theirs. Including me. I thought i was around 8% but calipers and some electronic gadget thingie measured mine at 9%.

So I is very sad.
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wah, 9 is f***in low ready leh.. anymore that this ur body will probably go on catabolic state. maintain la.. maybe put on a lil bit of fat to about 10 or 11. u'd still look good man..
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Sorry for asking again. How do you guys usually get the measurement of your BF?
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post Dec 22 2011, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(KashKarun @ Dec 21 2011, 10:27 PM)
wah, 9 is f***in low ready leh.. anymore that this ur body will probably go on catabolic state. maintain la.. maybe put on a lil bit of fat to about 10 or 11. u'd still look good man..
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Lol, tell me why that at 9% bodyfat I'm Hammer incline benching 355lbs for reps and pulling up weighted BW 72kg + extra 70kg tied to my body? If I was catabolic, I wouldn't be progressing and it's been going up for the past 4 months.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 22 2011, 12:53 AM)
Lol, tell me why that at 9% bodyfat I'm Hammer incline benching 355lbs for reps and pulling up weighted BW 72kg + extra 70kg tied to my body? If I was catabolic, I wouldn't be progressing and it's been going up for the past 4 months.
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Crap. u got ultra good genetics n ur knowledge in science is a boon also.shyte. im still at the third stage i.e. the stubborn fat.crap.

U cut more im sure u will look ultra good.

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QUOTE(gtoforce @ Dec 22 2011, 01:44 AM)
Crap. u got ultra good genetics n ur knowledge in science is a boon also.shyte. im still at the third stage i.e. the stubborn fat.crap.

U cut more im sure u will look ultra good.
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My genetics are so so lousy. You have no idea. But KashKarun's concern is noted. There's a fine line to culking and the moment my strength decreases, i start bulking aggressively again.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 20 2011, 03:54 PM)
The typical progression for an overweight male is to lose your visceral fat first. That is the "gut" fat. It is under your ab muscles, around your organs. That fat is easy to lose and makes a huge difference in your waist line. It is an exciting time because you normally need to get new pants, you look a lot better, feel better, and get lots of compliments.

Next you start losing subcutaneous fat. This is the fat right below your skin. It is sort of like a fat wet suit. This fat is harder to lose and takes a long, long time. You have way more of this fat than you think you do. You are probably here. In the 13-20% body fat range.

When you lose 5lbs of this fat, it comes off from all over your body. So visually, there really isn't a big difference. You just get a little bit smaller. Your arms, chest, legs, back... everything just keeps getting smaller. Your ab fat and love handles get smaller too, but they seem to lose much more slowly than the other areas.

You actually look worse because you don't fill out your clothes like you used to. Your arms are just as strong, but they have less fat and look smaller. You don't get very many compliments losing this fat. In fact you will probably get people telling you that you are losing too much weight and you look worse.

Eventually, you start getting a little definition. Commonly your shoulders will start cutting up first. This is when the fat wet suit gets thin enough that you can start seeing muscle definition though it. It is an exciting time, but you still will not get many compliments because you will be a lot smaller than when you started. At this point you will probably think you look better with your shirt off than on. That is because you will look better/bigger with your shirt off.

The last fat you lose is the stubborn fat. It is normally around your lower abs and love handles. This fat is the hardest to lose. By this time most of your face fat will be gone and everybody will start thinking you are over doing it. They remember the fat guy and you are going to look really different. Your friends will be planing an intervention and swear you have an eating disorder. If you take your shirt off, they will go, "ohhh... wow... I wasn't expecting that. What diet are you on?"

Finally you have 6-pack abs and look fantastic as long as you have your shirt off. With your shirt on, you look tiny. This is when you figure out that:
1. Low body fat is freaking cold.
2. Most people have a nice fat layer to keep them warm and like going to cold places.
3. People are poor judges of lean body composition. They think you are way less muscular than you are when you are dressed. They think you are way more muscular than you are when you are not. You are probably the same way.
4. Unless you have fit friends, you will probably never go to places where people take their shirts off.
5. It is difficult to put on muscle when you are sub 10% body fat.
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I totally agree biggrin.gif

It's not a easy road to achieve low BF with visible six packs for me. Clean diet, cardio and own lunch box and snacks to work blush.gif

The further i cut, i look more skinny, maybe i do not have much muscle mass at the first place. So now i give up already...haha, girlfriend keep complaining that i look skinny. Back to normal malaysian diet, my waist increased from 30 inch to 34 inch.... mad.gif

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Ooops. that Kash Karun's post was mine actually. didn't realise my cousin has singed in on my pc and left it. lol.

DL,

U have bad genetics? i seriously doubt that. i'd say my genetics in bb isn't that good. u know i started training when i was 16 and till 28(2 years ago) i was all natural. of course there was progress. but the process was rather slow and was halted at one point. i would say i wasn't consistenly training for all that 12 years. i wud say effective 8 to 9 years would be a correct math.

i know i'm deviating from the point. but bare with me.
this is how i looked after 8 years of training.

user posted image
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pics was taken in Miami.

only recently i managed to put on some real mass to the muscle.
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post Dec 22 2011, 03:33 PM

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Lol. This is not an insult but the reason your muscles don't show is cos of high bodyfat. It's not rocket science.

And yes my genetics are worse than yours.

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post Dec 22 2011, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 22 2011, 03:33 PM)
Lol. This is not an insult but the reason your muscles don't show is cos of high bodyfat. It's not rocket science.

And yes my genetics are worse than yours.
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in what way? care to explain?
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QUOTE(bobdabuilda @ Dec 22 2011, 07:56 PM)
in what way? care to explain?
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No bicep peak, high later insertions, naturally skinny, puts on bodyfat easily if I slack, lose strength way faster than some trainees if I don't train ofyebx high calf insertion points, list goes on.
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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 22 2011, 08:12 PM)
No bicep peak, high later insertions, naturally skinny, puts on bodyfat easily if I slack, lose strength way faster than some trainees if I don't train ofyebx high calf insertion points, list goes on.
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And yet you look so bloody impressive. Genetics is a factor but the key factor is your heart. How bad you want it
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post Dec 22 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Dec 22 2011, 10:15 AM)
Ooops. that Kash Karun's post was mine actually. didn't realise my cousin has singed in on my pc and left it. lol.

DL,

U have bad genetics?  i seriously doubt that. i'd say my genetics in bb isn't that good.  u know i started training when i was 16 and till 28(2 years ago) i was all natural. of course there was progress. but the process was rather slow and was halted at one point.  i would say i wasn't consistenly training for all that 12 years. i wud say effective 8 to 9 years would be a correct math.

i know i'm deviating from the point. but bare with me.
this is how i looked after 8 years of training.

user posted image
user posted image
user posted image
pics was taken in Miami.

only recently i managed to put on some real mass to the muscle.
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you look impressive man.
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post Dec 23 2011, 08:18 PM

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This is poor genetics with low bodyfat.

Back RELAXED

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and this is poor genetics for biceps, just that the bodyfat is relatively low so it shows a bit

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post Dec 24 2011, 02:55 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Dec 23 2011, 08:18 PM)
This is poor genetics with low bodyfat.

Back RELAXED

user posted image

and this is poor genetics for biceps, just that the bodyfat is relatively low so it shows a bit

user posted image
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Dude, poor genetics ? thats a joke man. You look superb man. Add a bit of thickness and you're great man. Thats you in the picture right ? i guess i have seen you training in Fitness First if i am right.
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QUOTE(shankar_dass93 @ Dec 24 2011, 02:55 AM)
Dude, poor genetics ? thats a joke man. You look superb man. Add a bit of thickness and you're great man. Thats you in the picture right ? i guess i have seen you training in Fitness First if i am right.
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No I train at TF, if you saw me at FF it was probably at One Mont Kiara or Curve on a guest pass. Bro, I have poor to average genetics trust me. It's only when i started cutting things came out. Lol. Most people don't realize they're carrying too much fat. They see a bit of abs and then they tell themselves "oh wow I'm cut" but it's far from it.
Now that I've hit sub 10% or maybe slightly less, I seriously have a healthy respect for those natural competitors who have to diet down to 6 plus %.

And believe me it's not easy getting to this bf% while dieting with cheeseburgers, banana leaf rice and spaghetti bolognaise.

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