The typical progression for an overweight male is to lose your visceral fat first. That is the "gut" fat. It is under your ab muscles, around your organs. That fat is easy to lose and makes a huge difference in your waist line. It is an exciting time because you normally need to get new pants, you look a lot better, feel better, and get lots of compliments.

Next you start losing subcutaneous fat. This is the fat right below your skin. It is sort of like a fat wet suit. This fat is harder to lose and takes a long, long time. You have way more of this fat than you think you do. You are probably here. In the 13-20% body fat range.

When you lose 5lbs of this fat, it comes off from all over your body. So visually, there really isn't a big difference. You just get a little bit smaller. Your arms, chest, legs, back... everything just keeps getting smaller. Your ab fat and love handles get smaller too, but they seem to lose much more slowly than the other areas.

You actually look worse because you don't fill out your clothes like you used to. Your arms are just as strong, but they have less fat and look smaller. You don't get very many compliments losing this fat. In fact you will probably get people telling you that you are losing too much weight and you look worse.

Eventually, you start getting a little definition. Commonly your shoulders will start cutting up first. This is when the fat wet suit gets thin enough that you can start seeing muscle definition though it. It is an exciting time, but you still will not get many compliments because you will be a lot smaller than when you started. At this point you will probably think you look better with your shirt off than on. That is because you will look better/bigger with your shirt off.

The last fat you lose is the stubborn fat. It is normally around your lower abs and love handles. This fat is the hardest to lose. By this time most of your face fat will be gone and everybody will start thinking you are over doing it. They remember the fat guy and you are going to look really different. Your friends will be planing an intervention and swear you have an eating disorder. If you take your shirt off, they will go, "ohhh... wow... I wasn't expecting that. What diet are you on?"

Finally you have 6-pack abs and look fantastic as long as you have your shirt off. With your shirt on, you look tiny. This is when you figure out that:
1. Low body fat is freaking cold.
2. Most people have a nice fat layer to keep them warm and like going to cold places.
3. People are poor judges of lean body composition. They think you are way less muscular than you are when you are dressed. They think you are way more muscular than you are when you are not. You are probably the same way.
4. Unless you have fit friends, you will probably never go to places where people take their shirts off.
5. It is difficult to put on muscle when you are sub 10% body fat.

This is poor genetics with low bodyfat.

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and this is poor genetics for biceps, just that the bodyfat is relatively low so it shows a bit

it's unrealistic for a non full time athlete to achieve such low bf with a muscular build

because of the metabolism rate and muscle building (bulking and cutting ) ratio

the bf % will be up and down

bf and muscle has it own equilibrium ratio it's inter related regardless of how to adjust ur meal

u cannot build/maintain muscle without bf(10% or less) naturally

sound like u could achieve it naturally

mind u show us how ?

ur detailed explanation and calculation on the muscle gain and fat loss per week/day/month of ur none 'bro science' explanation pls 

as if low bf is good LOL
I want to point out that extremely low bf is unhealthy
if anyone wants to jeopardize their good heath and comfort,  in exchange of low bf( 10% and less), go ahead. 

achievable how ?

10% and less bf is in deficits range for muscle growth or just maintaining big build of muscle
it may naturally achievable in short term, few day or few weeks or so
before the muscle starts losing/shirking, till like anorexia patients 

analogy again
bodybuilding with low bf is like ur car going up genting without good engine performance

essential/saturated fat % in body is like fuel in car
ur car stop climbing when u cut off the fuel...it may not roll downhill, shrink in muscle ..instantly
but it's just about time when the momentum ran out and start accelerating downhill.
if u cant differentiate a middle aged guy
and 20s young adult, then what is there to debate ?

if u want to prove he as if he stops aging since his early 20s then show which features he has that showing he indeed looks like in 20s.
else, i wont want to figure what gayshit perspective u have to him
refer to post above 
cave in the midnite nite is high in humidity and low in temperature, without external heat, it wont be dried till the late morning.

the point is, the monk can generate excess warm( proven by IR temperature sense camera) to dry up the towel

Funny for pros and elites like you people who actually know what you're doing. Not so funny, quite misleading and even demotivating for newbies who aim to achieve sub 10% BF.

He reminded me of one chinese proverb "Complaining the grapes are sour when he could not have it"....

Trying to figure out a way to bring back to topic but on account of my never going to be sub 10% (these darn necessary fat deposits ) I was at a loss at how I might bring the topic back to point.

support

Actually kinda happy GodTier is still posting here. We haven't had interesting drama for some time and we never had a resident H&F idiot. Best part is, he doesn't know he's one cos he's in denial.

Uhmm... i can't arm wrestle with him. Will probably be too busy laughing at his Ah Pek tattoo designs. =P

Btw. You guys notice on most bb forums the people who talk the most crap have nothing to show? I bet this guy has a Shit physique no matter how much he claims otherwise.