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 Endowment or FD is a great saving if you have 50k?

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post Dec 19 2011, 09:42 AM

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if it is so called saving plan, when someone would like to withdraw/quit from the plan, full amount should be refunded and not based on surrender value.

if surrender value is still exist, then it is still insurance which sucks people.

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 19 2011, 08:46 AM)
Buy insurance for PROTECTION only!!!
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post Dec 19 2011, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(MGM @ Dec 19 2011, 08:46 AM)
Buy insurance for PROTECTION only!!!
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problem is many people are uninformed and agents go around promoting such crappy policies like there's no tomorrow. These agents are thinking of the HUGE PREMIUMS thus the HUGE COMMISSIONS. Majority of these agents are UNQUALIFIED and have NO PROPER FINANCIAL TRAINING OR BACKGROUND.

to be an insurance agent, all you need is 18 years old and SPM. the PCE exam to be an agent is about rubbish, even standard 6 students can do it. Now imagine an 19 years old kid with no experience and no financial training selling to you a plan for your financial future. That's absolute rubbish. (Evdenice by the posting of dreamerkid1986, I assume he's 25)


These agents know nothing about the economy, inflation, unemployment, interest rates and even simple stuff like unit trust. And these are the agents who commits the worst sins as they put others people's life in deep shit, like selling education plans and retirement plans where by the time the money is needed, the returns are peanuts compared to the premiums paid and compared to money in the bank.



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post Dec 19 2011, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 19 2011, 09:54 AM)
problem is many people are uninformed and agents go around promoting such crappy policies like there's no tomorrow. These agents are thinking of the HUGE PREMIUMS thus the HUGE COMMISSIONS.  Majority of these agents are UNQUALIFIED and have NO PROPER FINANCIAL TRAINING OR BACKGROUND.

to be an insurance agent, all you need is 18 years old and SPM. the PCE exam to be an agent is about rubbish, even standard 6 students can do it. Now imagine an 19 years old kid with no experience and no financial training selling to you a plan for your financial future. That's absolute rubbish. (Evdenice by the posting of dreamerkid1986, I assume he's 25)
These agents know nothing about the economy, inflation, unemployment, interest rates and even simple stuff like unit trust. And these are the agents who commits the worst sins as they put others people's life in deep shit, like selling education plans and retirement plans where by the time the money is needed, the returns are  peanuts compared to the premiums paid and compared to money in the bank.
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don't mention insurance even unit trust or stock broker or any property agent

they should hav at least a basic diploma in economics or finance

that's y i self manage everything myself tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2011, 11:05 AM

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We have a seller ask whether this is an endowment plan or not..., speak the situation.

I wonder how accurate the info can be passed to potential customers then.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 19 2011, 11:05 AM)
We have a seller ask whether this is an endowment plan or not..., speak the situation.

I wonder how accurate the info can be passed to potential customers then.
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It is speaking the situation. .a seller asking about his products. Shouldn't the seller knows his own products? Given he is asking in a public forum shows his lack of knowledge.
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post Dec 19 2011, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 19 2011, 12:38 PM)
It is speaking the situation. .a seller asking about his products. Shouldn't the seller knows his own products? Given he is asking in a public forum shows his lack of knowledge.
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What knowledge u expect from a seller if he want to promote u a saving plan?
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QUOTE(dreamerkid1986 @ Dec 19 2011, 10:34 PM)
What knowledge u expect from a seller if he want to promote u a saving plan?
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lesson 1 - Endowment policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT endowment policy.

lesson 2 - Investment linked policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT investment linked policy.

lesson 3 - Education policies and Retirement policies are NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT education policies and Retirement policies.


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post Dec 20 2011, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 19 2011, 11:46 PM)
lesson 1 - Endowment policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT endowment policy.

lesson 2 - Investment linked policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT investment linked policy.

lesson 3 - Education policies and Retirement policies are NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT education policies and Retirement policies.
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lesson 4?example for endowment policy?


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:34 amFrom wikipedia:An endowment policy is a life insurance contract designed to pay a lump sum after a specified term (on its 'maturity') or on death.

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QUOTE(dreamerkid1986 @ Dec 20 2011, 11:30 AM)
lesson 4?example for endowment policy?
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Endowment plan as below.
QUOTE(dreamerkid1986 @ Dec 18 2011, 03:40 PM)
Hongleong assurance

Year 1 save RM28000 ---------------------------guarantee yearly income RM 3600(wont affected by interest rate, can be cash out on next year or
Year 2 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 3600 accumulate into account to hv 5.5 % interest for GYI)
Year 3 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 3600
Year 4 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 3600
Year 5 save RM28000--------------------------- RM 8400 <--------------GYI increse to RM8400 on 5th year
Year 6 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 8400
Year 7 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 8400
Year 8 save RM28000 -------------------------- RM 8400
Year 9 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 8400
Year 10 save RM28000 --------------------------- RM 8400
Year 11save 0 -------------------------- RM 8400<------- no need to save in money, but still hv GYI on year 11 onward
Year 12save 0 -------------------------- RM 8400
Year 13save 0 -------------------------- RM 8400
'' RM 8400
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year 30save 0-------------------------------- RM8400
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
total capital = RM280000 total GYI RM 232800
bonus + RM100000 + 5% interest if accumulate in accont
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RM38000 + RM520000
TOTAL for money for 30 year accumulate= RM900000                       
plan selection: 1 lot RM 28000
                          half lot 14000~ 28000
                         RM5000~ 14000


Added on December 18, 2011, 3:50 pmIs this a endowment?
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Do you know why your Agency Manager ask you to promote this blindly as in your case?

Cuz the HUGE PREMIUM = HUGE COMMISSION = HUGE OVERIDING COMMISSION + you need to look for water fish. When your water fish understand how this works, guarantee they will curse you HKC.

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post Dec 20 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 18 2011, 01:02 AM)
No, it is not a substitute of FD.

You cannot compared it with FD.
Apple and orange comparison.

Endowment plan is forced saving, miss the annual premium, be prepare to burn the previous premium paid, disregard how difficult your financial situation or whatever situation you are facing.
Also, even you have million worth of saving plan, but you have no cash in hand (FD can be instantly converted in cash whenever you like just lose some interest only), you also can "die" because of starving due to no cash to buy you foods.  tongue.gif
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as i see, FD could not fight inflation, inflation risk remains bro.
current market highest 3.6% which lock in a year
even RM10,000 x 3.6% = 360 A Year, which is only RM0.98/Day only.
it's morel likely you put the ten thousands under your bed O.o


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:48 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Dec 18 2011, 02:43 AM)
Each product got its purposes.. Diversify your $$$, make sure you earn money, not loss money smile.gif
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agreed, diversify savings is better than lump sum in FD.
well different product different benefits I supposed.


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:55 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 20 2011, 11:39 AM)
Endowment plan as below.
Do you know why your Agency Manager ask you to promote this blindly as in your case?

Cuz the HUGE PREMIUM = HUGE COMMISSION = HUGE OVERIDING COMMISSION + you need to look for water fish. When your water fish understand how this works, guarantee they will curse you HKC.

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Agreed, to all newbie HLA agents, please brief more product knowledge.
If not you'll definitely kill somebody in the future.
as i see from the product is more likely a wealth builder or cash builder, not taht saying the product is not good, just have to declare more product information to customer whether which is guarantee or not guarantee bro.

Even Great eastern also, I've met different agencies selling endowment product and they are more likely to mislead and miselling.
UNfortunately I have a little bit knowledge bout FD, insurance and endowment.

And this topic i was not comparing, i was just asking whether is endowment worth than FD which means that is diversifying good?
as if it is good, which endowment plan is THE BEST?


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:58 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 19 2011, 11:46 PM)
lesson 1 - Endowment policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT endowment policy.

lesson 2 - Investment linked policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT investment linked policy.

lesson 3 - Education policies and Retirement policies are NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT education policies and Retirement policies.
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Basic banking knowledge
Product knowledge
market Rates knowledge
Insurance knowledge
General Knowledge bout endowment
Reason of Saving
Reason of diversifying


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post Dec 20 2011, 02:48 PM

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wealth builder or cash builder are just marketing names, the correct term is endowment.




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post Dec 20 2011, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(invisibleccc @ Dec 20 2011, 11:47 AM)
as i see, FD could not fight inflation, inflation risk remains bro.
current market highest 3.6% which lock in a year
even RM10,000 x 3.6% = 360 A Year, which is only RM0.98/Day only.
it's morel likely you put the ten thousands under your bed O.o

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So endowment can? whistling.gif

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post Dec 20 2011, 03:59 PM

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you have 50k on hand or want to save 50k?

If 50k on hand, i will go for a property
If want to save 50k using endowment, forget it...not worth it as i found out. just buy a PA & save it in FD better.

Almost all endowment do not give you a guarantee return, just a indication of return.

Mine case are 30K 10 years endowment & every year instalment around RM4200. But get back around RM42k but when i signed it on the first day said can projected RM50k at least. Even the customer service girl also can't said anything except maybe their Actuaries got wrong & get a longer term will do better.
will be visiting them next few years for my 20years & see how they response to it. sad.gif

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post Dec 20 2011, 04:58 PM

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endowment is something like PENSION
cos majority of us working in private sector...we have EPF but not PENSION
thus buy endowment only if you wish to get "paid" each month after your retirement age(eg; 55-75)

ps : you also get few times lump sum amount of $$ + insurance protection

if you are someone who can manage your finance well in your younger age, then endowment not SUIT you!!

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QUOTE(Violet Ling @ Dec 20 2011, 04:58 PM)
endowment is something like PENSION
cos majority of us working in private sector...we have EPF but not PENSION
thus buy endowment only if you wish to get "paid" each month after your retirement age(eg; 55-75)

ps : you also get few times lump sum amount of $$ + insurance protection

if you are someone who can manage your finance well in your younger age, then endowment not SUIT you!!
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But endowment premium paid is our money!
Pension fund is not our money.

So, we are paying ourself only + comparable FD return rate + beneficer get sum assured if died prematurely.

Endowment plan premium generally is not cheap to start with, and you cannot miss the premium. Miss the premium, can mean, burn previous premium paid.
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QUOTE(invisibleccc @ Dec 17 2011, 10:58 PM)
does endowment worth better than FD?
Lots of people are comparing Fd and saving plan, this good that bad whatever.
Either long term or short term, to all forumers, which one you prefer if you have a 50k right now?

Will you diversify or will you just Save ALL IN FD?
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In this case, you better ask yourself, an illiquid investment for a potentially better investment return or much more liquid investment but lower return.

get yourself a goal of investment before dumping all in to either one... preparation and knowing why you wanna invest is always the thing to do before placing your money into any form of investment...

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QUOTE(Violet Ling @ Dec 20 2011, 04:58 PM)
endowment is something like PENSION
cos majority of us working in private sector...we have EPF but not PENSION
thus buy endowment only if you wish to get "paid" each month after your retirement age(eg; 55-75)

ps : you also get few times lump sum amount of $$ + insurance protection

if you are someone who can manage your finance well in your younger age, then endowment not SUIT you!!
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do you understand the concept of endowment and concept of pension? go read it up.

"thus buy endowment only if you wish to get "paid" each month after your retirement age(eg; 55-75)" Good luck with your retirement. icon_idea.gif

"ps : you also get few times lump sum amount of $$ + insurance protection" Are you sure? whistling.gif


You think I m wrong, do your homework. icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 21 2011, 01:07 AM

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You think I m wrong, do your homework.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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i m having an endowment plan from GE...so wat u think?
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QUOTE(Violet Ling @ Dec 21 2011, 01:07 AM)
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i m having an endowment plan from GE...so wat u think?
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and so? does it mean you truly understand it? blink.gif

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