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 Endowment or FD is a great saving if you have 50k?

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TSinvisibleccc
post Dec 17 2011, 10:58 PM, updated 14y ago

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does endowment worth better than FD?
Lots of people are comparing Fd and saving plan, this good that bad whatever.
Either long term or short term, to all forumers, which one you prefer if you have a 50k right now?

Will you diversify or will you just Save ALL IN FD?

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TSinvisibleccc
post Dec 18 2011, 12:17 AM

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which company product u are mentioning about btw? there are too many endowment plan le.. depends on theyears and the premiums and the projected return..
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post Dec 20 2011, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 18 2011, 01:02 AM)
No, it is not a substitute of FD.

You cannot compared it with FD.
Apple and orange comparison.

Endowment plan is forced saving, miss the annual premium, be prepare to burn the previous premium paid, disregard how difficult your financial situation or whatever situation you are facing.
Also, even you have million worth of saving plan, but you have no cash in hand (FD can be instantly converted in cash whenever you like just lose some interest only), you also can "die" because of starving due to no cash to buy you foods.  tongue.gif
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as i see, FD could not fight inflation, inflation risk remains bro.
current market highest 3.6% which lock in a year
even RM10,000 x 3.6% = 360 A Year, which is only RM0.98/Day only.
it's morel likely you put the ten thousands under your bed O.o


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:48 am
QUOTE(Bonescythe @ Dec 18 2011, 02:43 AM)
Each product got its purposes.. Diversify your $$$, make sure you earn money, not loss money smile.gif
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agreed, diversify savings is better than lump sum in FD.
well different product different benefits I supposed.


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:55 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 20 2011, 11:39 AM)
Endowment plan as below.
Do you know why your Agency Manager ask you to promote this blindly as in your case?

Cuz the HUGE PREMIUM = HUGE COMMISSION = HUGE OVERIDING COMMISSION + you need to look for water fish. When your water fish understand how this works, guarantee they will curse you HKC.

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Agreed, to all newbie HLA agents, please brief more product knowledge.
If not you'll definitely kill somebody in the future.
as i see from the product is more likely a wealth builder or cash builder, not taht saying the product is not good, just have to declare more product information to customer whether which is guarantee or not guarantee bro.

Even Great eastern also, I've met different agencies selling endowment product and they are more likely to mislead and miselling.
UNfortunately I have a little bit knowledge bout FD, insurance and endowment.

And this topic i was not comparing, i was just asking whether is endowment worth than FD which means that is diversifying good?
as if it is good, which endowment plan is THE BEST?


Added on December 20, 2011, 11:58 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 19 2011, 11:46 PM)
lesson 1 - Endowment policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT endowment policy.

lesson 2 - Investment linked policy is NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT investment linked policy.

lesson 3 - Education policies and Retirement policies are NOT savings plan and savings plan is NOT education policies and Retirement policies.
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Basic banking knowledge
Product knowledge
market Rates knowledge
Insurance knowledge
General Knowledge bout endowment
Reason of Saving
Reason of diversifying


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post Dec 21 2011, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 20 2011, 03:45 PM)
So endowment can?  whistling.gif
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at least there's a chance for endowment to fight inflation?
likewise FD rates are fluctuating, no ones guarantee what ius the rate in the future, even japan is only 0.15% OMG


Added on December 21, 2011, 9:39 am
QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Dec 20 2011, 03:59 PM)
you have 50k on hand or want to save 50k?

If 50k on hand, i will go for a property
If want to save 50k using endowment, forget it...not worth it as i found out. just buy a PA & save it in FD better.

Almost all endowment do not give you a guarantee return, just a indication of return.

Mine case are 30K 10 years endowment & every year instalment around RM4200. But get back around RM42k but when i signed it on the first day said can projected RM50k at least. Even the customer service girl also can't said anything except maybe their Actuaries got wrong & get a longer term will do better.
will be visiting them next few years for my 20years & see how they response to it. sad.gif
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property was an asset, an investment bro. Lets seperate investmenr and savings k?
FYI, do you know property market bubble going to burst soon?
Unlike real estate, the most valuable thing is you own a land instead of a property.

I see, endownment projected return no matter how, the worst case scenario they'll also hve a guarantee return and you won't lose your capital bro.
yours is TOTAL 10 yrs RM42k.. in how many years time you will get projected return 50k? before you save in an endowment plan, you have to read properly instead of letting agents mislead you.
I've been there before =/
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Added on December 21, 2011, 9:44 am
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 21 2011, 02:48 AM)
and so? does it mean you truly understand it?  blink.gif
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agreed, most of the people don't understand how endowment works, and what is the projected scenario, and the company performance declare rates and so as dividends. Customers are too blind to understand some basic knowledge about banking or savings.

the only things is those agencies blind them up.
Unless you are an analyst, analyze the whole endowment policy LOL.
Well, endownment are not that bad, just that you have to clearly understand how it works, and are you really sacing in an endowment plan or a unit trust =/

cause there are many unethical agents outside miselling =( cry.gif

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post Dec 22 2011, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 21 2011, 10:36 AM)
You seriously need to take a crash course on financial studies.
Understand the concept and see where the flaw is on endowment. Not to say that it doesn't work. But you as an agent need to know the pros and cons.

Fix Deposit interest rate doesn't vary by market. If the contract is signed as xx% p.a. for xx term, then the contract is fixed. Endowment however doesn't guarantee that return. Or rather, once you signed up with one; if opportunity comes, you might not have the liberty of extracting your cash flow to dump into another instrument which might gives you better return. Thus with endowment, one has to "commit" for long term. Who knows what will happen 20 years from now. Like someone mentioned; what if hyper inflation got the better of us. Then how do you counter?
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yes i also agreed with you, but your statement doesn't prove that endowment plan was a worse saving plan also right?
there is no prove for FD and also endowment because we cant foreseen the future.
the only thing is, endowment plan has a chance to build up your savings with only a few years commitment, because definitely we're not putting one lump sum of our saving into endowment wad. Just a diversification.

whoever putting all their savings into the endowment plan, they're just too stubborn with 0 financial knowledge.
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post Dec 22 2011, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(dreamerkid1986 @ Dec 21 2011, 10:47 AM)
so many financial word there, cash builder, endowment. an aunty without knowledge on these can see all the detail when sighning the policy, know she will bear loss if closing account earlier,as long as she satisfied with what written on policy , then she sign and buy the plan happily, whats wrong?


Added on December 21, 2011, 10:52 am
i mean this year ur fix d interest is 3%, then u put ur fixd for a year. next year the interest may drop to 2 %. anyone know whats the interest for longer fix d? 5 year 10year fix D rate?


Added on December 21, 2011, 10:57 amconcept sound like u get a 2 year contract base job oppurtunity. when a better oppurtunity comes to u, u were bond with contract, have to make a compensation if annul the contract
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oh come on, the thing you were talking bout the job thingy, you cant diversify, whereby money ucan diviersify into many many portion okay.
50k savings:
25% to endowment,
10% savings acc
30% FD
15% investment
10% emergency
10% Etc

what is a person get a 2 year contact job? can he diversify into many portion? =)
I'm not from cash builder, i'm not from any agencies. I'm just trying to ask people's opinion about endowment plan here whereas many people have many different examples and perspective shocking.gif


Added on December 22, 2011, 11:20 pm
QUOTE(b00n @ Dec 21 2011, 11:02 AM)
As an agent, do you brief your customer on circumstances on what if situations?
eg. if customer can't commit during the 1st year, how much they are losing as well as what happened if subsequent years he/she can't commit? "Losing" meaning he/she can't even get back what he/she had "invested".

I doubted so. Most agent will only briefly explained that one will need to commit until the end but will not drill into the details on this what if situation. Heck, most agent will even qualify themselves as financial planner which if one does attend CFP/CFA courses, most lecturers will not encourage insurance as an investment instrument for starters. That just goes to show how in the financial world people reacts to the notion of insurance as "investment".

Obviously like you say, normal aunties and uncles will not have that knowledge. And how responsible is heck he saw the terms and conditions and signed it?!

Again like I say, there's nothing wrong in signing up with the plan. But was the pros and cons being advised clearly? Every investment instrument had their pros and cons. Nothing is perfect.
p/s: I've seen more informative insurance agents deliberating this issue much better than yours. Which I personally felt that you had yet to qualify to be one.


Added on December 21, 2011, 11:04 am
If 2nd year interest is not to be my expectation, I can pull out with all my money and 1st year interest intact. Can a "saving plan" do that?
You totally missed my point on "if opportunity comes, you might not have the liberty of extracting your cash flow to dump into another instrument which might gives you better return.".
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TOTALLY AGREED TO THIS POST
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---nothin' is perfect---
---might have a chace for a better return---

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post Dec 22 2011, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(Iceman74 @ Dec 21 2011, 04:07 PM)
I'm not saying Insurance "suck" but you really need to buy & leverage insurance policy that work against yr health and wealth around you. IF it for saving(in yr case), It doesn't work especially endowment.
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hey hey, this is what i believe in okay,
i believe that endowment is not an investment
i believe the market will burst in Malaysia, eventually.
sorry we're not debating about goodwill or not. it's just you own a land, you're rich.

oh too bad, you totally don't understand what i'm talking about, the guaranteed return is not about the sce.a or sce.b return, is the base guarantee return, which is below their capital.
i was a part time agent before, in HLA & GE. something like double crossing. so i get to learned both products and the way they run their business.
in either way, i didn't support any one of'em.

here we are talking about, was endowment plan worth or not. Since the future we can't foreseen, you cant said that endowment plan isn't working also right?
nothing is perfect.

IF FD bla bla
IF ENDOWMENT bla bla

it's just a guessing, FD? Endowment? worth or not? it depends.


Added on December 22, 2011, 11:35 pm
QUOTE(lunchtime @ Dec 22 2011, 11:28 PM)
the writing is on the wall, still want to ask for proof endowment / FD better. Neither is good but FD better as you can use it anytime without any fuss. Opportuniy cost.  Endowment money all locked up and you are paid peanuts when you retire. Your money is being used by the insurance company to generate more money by buying stocks and bonds and to pay their agents commission and salary and to renovate their office sui sui. Understand bor?
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i know that also, becuz what you said is what's happening right now.
some people save money, some people earn commission.
this is how it works, you want a chance to grow your saving, they'll spent up all your money at the beginning few years.

then only they try to give u bek the return.
in other way, which can say that someone is willing buy and someone is willing to sell.
to those who put 500k into an endowment plan, are they stupid?
idk.


Added on December 22, 2011, 11:37 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 21 2011, 04:46 PM)
Endowment has a chance to fight inflation? Wohoo, first time I heard people said this.  whistling.gif
Even insurance company do not dare to put up such statement.

Please get the answer/feedback from those people that had bought endowment plan, and already matured one and getting back their money.

I don't mean endowment is totally useless, it has its use in term of insurance coverage if died pre-maturely, but definitely not for one to fight against inflation.
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the first endownment plan arise in the early 2000's, so there havent been any endowment plan matured yet, unless surrender earlier.
at that time, the endowment plan was 10yrs and 12yrs payment, how could it matured so fast?
are you saying they purchases unit trust in the early 90s?

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post Jan 31 2012, 10:11 AM

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agreed to bone scythe =)

 

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