so this bill is to reduce project failure while the bill itself as a project has already become a failure, ironies

Computing Bill: Big businesses vs practitioners
The federal government today admitted that it facilitated the Computing Professionals Bill 2011 at the behest of multinational companies and industry leaders

Why we are not surprised at all?

Dear <certain famous MNCs>, your founder also dropped out of college/uni & started you from his basement....no certification whatsoever.
Have you forgotten yo?

Why do you have to make things ALSO difficult for us who are smaller than you?

This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 15 2011, 09:12 AM

Yea.... I find it ironic so many people use Microsoft and Apple as their rolemodel example against #CPB2011


Turns out these are the ones lobbying for the bill under PIKOM, and also at the same time, they probably promised our govt wide powers under ambigous CNII.


Then you have Tan Sri Vincent tan's IT arm under MOL ganesh on the council too..

And eGenting.... notorious gambling/casino legal Kongsi Gelap organisation exploiting IT grads for immoral business.

http://www.pikom.org.my/cms/General.asp?wh...=22716&CatID=60



My my my, no wonder Academic circle also support the BILL.


Academic circle in Malaysia is one of MS's STRONGEST base because they are heavily influenced and buy edu version of MS products on huge discounts.


They're the easiest to be manipulated by these corporations and hence at the MOSTI panel, software patents are one of the objectives to be introduced in the industry. They even said if you are certified by MS/Oracle, you don't need to worry about the bill.


Like this, these MNCs can crush SME and small/competitive vendors that rely on OSS solutions/tools.


Clearly a CARTEL in the making, sleeping with the government, offering them more control over rights of dissent use of IT.


NWO New World Order in the making. *lmao*



http://www.opensource.org/statements/CPTN
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/12/cp...s_from_germany/
http://techrights.org/2011/01/11/cartels-and-escapes/

This post has been edited by sfx3000: Dec 15 2011, 10:05 AM

Well put!

The academic circle are mostly concerned with producing students to fulfill the trend of the big boys, so that the students have jobs to work along the same big boys who controls the market.

It's all about business now, education is about what we want you to know and follow, not we want you to think for yourself & think out of the box.

In 2 words, modern slavery. Subtly done until many people doesn't realised it at all or won't believe it is real.

Singapore is already a NWO playground, Malaysia is showing more signs of getting there soon.
Unless we realised it early and stop it fast.

The show up at the MOSTI open day is a good start for all IT people.

First, we have to accept and recognize the goons engaged by geeks/nerds at MOSTI are mostly just PATSIES.


These are dime a dozen people these cartel/corporations can pick from anywhere.


IT Geeks/Nerds need to look at the bigger picture. It's no longer just a politic/govt issue.

Foreign corporations are getting their hands dirty as well, sleeping in bed with our govt, to consolidate our rights and enslave us totally.


PIKOM is their agent/vector in infiltration and subduing us.


We need to stop blaming just the govt. There're other forces at work in the private sector and we all have to wake up.


This is not just happening in Malaysia. We're a testbed but soon this similar style Corp takeover using govt approach that will show itself all over the world soon or already has.


IT Geeks/Nerds are too preoccupied with a limited world view (their own geek/nerd world) to see everything else happening in the real world.

LOL, last time i remember Ganesh Kumar Bangah quit his 1st degree (Bach. Electrical Engineering UTM) because his MOL business was booming....

and now he expects people to be certified before being considered as an IT practitioner?

Does this new bill affect video editor and graphic designer?

so wat, like those electrical man, need license to work
but they just work for freelance
and
property agent, the license is very hard to get
but there got many freelance too
they even no need to pay any tax, better then those who have license

everything is interconnected.

software developer used to just do thing without restriction. need a web server, download apache run it.

Now some idiot up there said, apache considered as infrastructure. We might not be able to download or what not.

Lagi baik kalau kita buat proposal suruh RAIS YATIM quit dia punya kerja,Sebab all his idea was Useless and RAIS YATIM lebih teruk daripada "SAMPAH MASYARAKAT"

how will this new draft law affect web hosting companies, bloggers, forum operators, websites etc?

so you're saying IT are not professional professions?

good for you... this is what i've been saying all these while.

What kind of stupid bill drafted for own stupidity???!

Lots of IT profession from all different backgrounds, eg: graphic designer, electronics, business, etc.
They still do well as IT profession, who said a cert can represent how well a person's performance to perform?

Lots of "IT profession" change to other field after their study in it as well.
Can bills control these people for making their own decision in life?

would you trust a non graduate to design your house? Cert doesn't mean anything, right. So get a non civil engineer to design and build your house. Put your money where your words are.

Hi guys,
can sum1 tell me whether this rules apply already ? if not, when will it execute?
or this is juz their pending idea ?

appreciate for your precious reply =)

Again, to answer the concern regrading a Doctor/Lawyer/Architect VS. an IT person i.e. web designer, graphic designer, programmer, etc

I bring back post #182 by 1 of our member, highlighting the address in bold as follows:

To add on the above statement, we can Learn, Practice, Apply IT on OUR OWN, design our own blogs, repair our own PC, write our own macros, design a flash animation, create & produce a video, do SEO for our website, create a software....START A FORUM like lyn...etc.

Even without any formal training.

But for the case of Medicine, Architectural, Engineering, Law, - We can't learn & practice on our own because we need certain equipments & we need to get the input from the government, banking, other people etc.

So we can't compare apple & oranges.

Whoever drafted the bill COPIED + PASTED + MODIFIED 10% the template used in the drafting the Medicine, Architectural, Engineering, Law & trying to apply it onto the IT industry, without understanding the differences of the IT industry as compared to the other industry.

This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 19 2011, 09:35 AM

In my understanding, it is a draft therefore it is pending approval.

The bill will be presented to the Parliment to get it approved by the 2/3 majority of the MPs.

(Kindly correct me if the above statement is incorrect, Thanks.)

What the horde of IT people had done in the MOSTI Open Day is to let the ones who are behind the bill know that We think this draft is a bad idea...because <the reasons>......but those people do not understand....

But the effect is that they may drop the bill if the IT industry can come out with certain standard to ensure good practice.

I am aware that there are IT people who are in the midst of discussing on how to come up with the right standard for IT.
These people are the the ones who uses IT in everyday lives, who are in touch with the reality of the IT world.

You can do a post search in this thread on the news that were posted in the earlier pages.

That's what I did to ensure i don't post something that has been already been addressed earlier in the previous posts of this thread. Cheers!

This post has been edited by elblink: Dec 19 2011, 09:34 AM

We have a big problem.


The consensus is we DON'T want any bill/LAW to govern computing profession.


But now there're nerds/geeks taking advantage to represent everyone, and they will help draft the bill to be put into LAW.



Trojan horses surfacing among the IT/Nerd/Geeks community.



The struggle is to kill the bill of any kind.


Now you have these idiots coming out saying they're the professional community, helping to modify the CPB2011 bill so it can be made into law.



Beware of MOSTI's planted moles !

i support this act less con-man out there