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post Oct 29 2012, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Oct 26 2012, 04:25 PM)
as long as the property still under master title, and pending issuance of strata title, then nobody can lodge a private caveat on the such property, is that true?
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A caveat can still be lodged upon the master title, but same can be easily removed as you can't stake a claim over the entire master title if what you claim for is merely a parcel of it. It would be different if the one lodging the caveat over the master title is a lender who gave a loan to the proprietor of the master title (like a bank who is an end-financier to the developer). In such scenario, the bank can lodge a caveat and enter a charge upon the master title.


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QUOTE(dexterhau @ Oct 28 2012, 05:23 PM)
Mr Darifoo, thanks... So I only need to change name for both Indah Water and Cukai Taksiran right? Still got others that I might miss out?
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QUOTE(Wookl10 @ Oct 30 2012, 08:53 AM)
Dear Dario

I'm engaged a bank ocbc al-amin to buy a property.
It is a completed property. Loan amount 799,200

Knowing that loan facility agreement fees frOm the lawyer firm breakdown as follow.

(a) Legal fees: 6044
(b) Service tax@6% :362.66
© Est Disbursement fee: 2500

Here is my question. What makes the lawyer charge so much on ©? Can the client ask for discount on ©?
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For c), you would need to request for a proper breakdown of the disbursements. Then you can compare with the samples in v1 of this thread. Link is at the first page.

Yes you can ask for a discount on disbursements like transport, paper, photocopying, etc and misc charges.
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post Oct 30 2012, 07:15 PM

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QUOTE(agewisdom @ Oct 30 2012, 01:37 PM)

1. Could you let me know the general process that happens to discharge the deed of receipt and reassignment? Based on my MINIMAL understanding, the following occurs:

(a) Appoint a lawyer which will correspond with the local bank;
(b) Bank will forward the original documents (Power of Attorney, Deed of Receipt and Reassignment, Facilities Agreement) to this lawyer;
(c ) Lawyer will prepare the document to discharge this deed of receipt and reassignment which is to be signed by me (owner of the property). (not sure what document?);
(d) All these documents are to be furnished to the High Court for registration(?); and
(e) These original documents will then be given back to me for safekeeping.

Is this correct?

2. What are the usual fees charged for this and how long does this process usually take?

3. Is there anything I should take note or be concerned about? What are the documents that I should be signing (or more importantly, NOT sign...)?

4. Further, once the developer issues the individual strata-title later, is there a need to engage any lawyers on this matter? Or can I just go to the developer to take ownership of the strata title?

Thanks in advance and hope to hear from you.  notworthy.gif
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1. Firstly, the security doc is called a deed of assignment (DOA). The deed of receipt and reassignment (RnR) is the doc which the bank now executes to remove its interest and stake over the property. Basically you first need to obtain a letter of release from the bank confirming that all dues have been paid. Next, your lawyer would prepare the RnR and forward it to the bank together with the release letter. The bank would then execute the RnR and return it to your lawyer together with the original documents - DOA, SPA and PA (Power of Attorney). Your lawyer would then stamp the RnR and revoke the PA at the High Court. Once that is done,a copy is served on all parties and with the RnR, it is evidence that the property is unencumbered.

2. RM300 for RnR and additional RM100 for revocation of PA. Add in 6% service tax and approximately around RM200-500 for disbursements, as this would differ from firm to firm.

3. You would be signing the RnR. That's about it.

4. Yes, you would need to engage a lawyer to prepare the MOT for the developer and you to sign. Once it has been executed, stamped and presented for registration, it is the land office who would issue you with the strata title.

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post Oct 30 2012, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(bubbobbed @ Oct 30 2012, 04:10 PM)
I'm a buyer in a sub-sale transaction. It is a double storey townhouse. The question is the project had completed for almost 10 years ago, but it's still under a master title. One of the banker told me that they can't proceed my loan with master title as the developer don't have any other on-going project. May I ask what is the consequences I should be aware if I were to buy this house?
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The worst case scenario I can think of is if the developer goes bust, gets wound up and taken over by liquidators and they do not maintain proper records, hence making it a hassle if you want to sell the house later as a letter of confirmation would not be issued with the necessary information which the bank might require.

Having said so, there are numerous projects still on master title where the developer is still active and maintain proper records after many years to date.

I guess there is no hard and fast rule to judge if the developer would go bust or otherwise.

I would suggest that you try to apply for a loan from another bank as the requirements of this one does appear to be quite strict.
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post Oct 31 2012, 10:17 AM

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QUOTE(wannahaveitall @ Oct 30 2012, 10:41 PM)
Dear Dario, I ddnt know that such a thread existed. Not many lawyers do this kind of gestures.

Looking at the thread, i can see that this is totally about real estate, but can you point me to a forum whether LY or else, in which i can get some advice on battery. Or at least where can i get a sample of a complaint letter to a company about its employee who has caused injury to another.

Greatly appreciate your assistance.
fyi....the story, assault - what kind of action
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No, there have been queries about other areas of the law as well, and such queries are always welcomed.

See the first page of this thread.


QUOTE(dariofoo @ Dec 6 2011, 11:32 PM)
Dear all,

Link to v1:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1602849

Lawyer's Corner is a one-stop centre on all things legal. Pose your legal questions here and I'll endeavour to reply to you soonest possible with some advice. Questions on any topics are welcomed[SIZE=7] - procedure on sale and purchase of property, loan documentation, tenancy, etc. Any other queries on other aspects and areas of the law are also welcomed[SIZE=7]. nod.gif

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Kindly pose your question here instead of redirecting me to another page. Provide all details with a clear chronology of events in order for me to advise you accordingly.

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QUOTE(mimi1986 @ Oct 31 2012, 11:04 AM)
I've received the invoice from the developer's lawyer for the housing loan agreement, there is one item "Company Search fee" amounted to RM50, is this really necessary?
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Company search costs only RM15. nod.gif



QUOTE(mimi1986 @ Oct 31 2012, 11:04 AM)
And the lawyer also 'forgot' to apply the 50% waiver on stamp duty (and paid in full) even after I instructed them to do so.  So now they trying to get a refund from the Stamp Duty office. Question now is How long it normally takes for me to get the refund?
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Hard to tell. Months, and maybe even up to a year. There's one scenario where it took almost 2 years. Getting money back from the Govt is not easy as it has to go through the Treasury. It is not a mere refund from LHDN.

Huge mistake by the lawyer. By right they should advance it out of their own pocket and refund you first, and then follow up themselves with LHDN. To ask you to wait for their mistake is, in my honest opinion, highly unprofessional and unethical.
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QUOTE(beauwlf @ Oct 31 2012, 12:05 PM)
Thank you for the advise  Mr Dario,
So i should be extra careful, i should wait for the cheque to clear first before sign and return the SPA  nod.gif
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Yes, correct. Wait for cheque to clear before returning the SPA. nod.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(mimi1986 @ Oct 31 2012, 12:13 PM)
TIs the company search also applicable to non-corporate buyer? Or the search is actually done on the developer?
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No no no. They can't make you pay for their own mistake! Lucky for them that you have not filed a complaint against them for negligence!

QUOTE(mimi1986 @ Oct 31 2012, 12:13 PM)
Is the company search also applicable to non-corporate buyer? Or the search is actually done on the developer?
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If there is individual title , the developer is out of the picture and there is no need to conduct a search on the developer. If there is no individual title then a company search upon the developer/proprietor of the master title can be conducted as well as a winding-up search too.
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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Oct 31 2012, 04:38 PM)
hi mr dario, i've been told we actually can convert a leasehold geran to freehold. all it needs is roughly rm3k +- as lawyer fees. jus need clarifications. tq
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Sorry, never heard of such arrangement before.
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post Nov 1 2012, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(vostro @ Oct 31 2012, 09:06 PM)
Hi, I have a question regarding transferring property ownership from mother to child. Is it possible to get it done in the Pejabat Tanah? If its possible, how long does it usually takes?

My apologies if its the wrong forum to ask the above question.. smile.gif
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It's not as straightforward as just filling up a form and submit it at the Land Office. You would need to prepare a MOT, send it for adjudication, pay stamp duty and get it stamped, and then present it for registration at the land office. And CKHT forms have to be filled up and submitted as well. I would advise you to appoint a lawyer.

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QUOTE(atah @ Oct 31 2012, 09:30 PM)
Dear all,

I would like to seek for some advices regarding my housing loan.

The loan was approved in 2004 when the house was under construction. The VP was in 2006 but the individual title and thus MoT was not available at that time. Therefore there's still 2.5% of the loan not withdraw yet by the developer. I have written to the bank for early commencement of the instalment and this was approved, thus I have started to make the instalment from early 2007.

But till today the individual title is not ready yet. According to the loan agreement, the lock-in period of 5 years is calculated from the full drawdown. Therefore I guess that if I would to refinance the loan now, I will still have to pay the early settlement penalty right? Current interest rate is at BLR-0.15%  sad.gif

From your experience, would it be possible to get the bank to waive the penalty cause I have been paying the prepayment for more than 5 years?

Also does it means that as long as I don't have the individual title yet, I cannot settle the loan without paying the early settlement penalty?

Thanks a lot.
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To quote what you said, "According to the loan agreement, the lock-in period of 5 years is calculated from the full drawdown".

Can you reproduce the page which stipulates that clause here for me to take a look? From what I understand, it is from the date of the Agreement or the date of first release.

If it follows full drawdown, then there would be no end to the lock-in for properties without individual/strata title. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(hoks @ Nov 1 2012, 07:51 AM)
Hi Dario,

I have some question regarding the subsale leasehold apartment at JB.

Let say the title had been issued to the developer but vendor did not apply for transfer. I heard from my banker there are 2 options available:

1. Developer transfer to vendor then transfer to me.
2. Developer direct transfer to me.

May i know for both case, how long will it take for the whole transaction to complete after signing SnP? Thanks!
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It's not options open to you, but it depends on the discretion of the developer. Obviously no.2 is better and faster than no.1, and is preferred. But some developers go by the book and strictly insist on no.1. As to how long, it really depends on how efficient and co-operative the parties are.

Roughly speaking, no.1 may take around 3-6 months (or even longer) , while no.2 may take up to 3 months.
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QUOTE(omega17 @ Nov 1 2012, 08:17 AM)
Hi Dario,
Wanted to ask 6months ago brought a condo settle everthing. But last months receive a tm bill cost around rm3k+ outstanding is the previous owner name . Try to call the previous owner but he dint pick up my call. May i know do i need to pay?? cause the bill is not my name but the address is correct where im staying. thanks
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This TM bill is in relation to what? His personal handphone? Your current house phone? If it has nothing to do with your house, then there's nothing to worry, and of course, you do not need to pay.

If you do not want to receive his mail any further, you would need to communicate with TM and inform them that the person is no longer residing in that address.

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QUOTE(hoks @ Nov 1 2012, 11:48 AM)
Hi Dario, thanks for your reply, for option no.2, does it means that I can get my property at around 3 months time.
If there is any delay in title transfer (longer than 3 months), will I need to bare the penalty?
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3 months is just a rough estimate, please. Do not quote me on it as I had informed you - it really depends on a lot of factors.

There is no penalty as time for your SPA would only start to run from the date your lawyer receives the duly executed MOT by the developer.
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QUOTE(sangaran @ Nov 1 2012, 01:59 PM)
usually how long it takes for the bank to release the balance sum after the lawyer advised?
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If all is in order - average would be 3-5 working days. For super urgent cases some banks can even issue it within 24 hours.
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QUOTE(atah @ Nov 1 2012, 08:42 PM)
Hi Dario,

Thanks for the response.

Snapshot of the page as attached below. If it's true then do you think the bank will waive this if I go and negotiate with them?
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You're right. It does state 5 years of full drawdown. What I would suggest is that you casually request to refinance without mentioning anything about the penalty. You can point out that you have been paying since 2007. If they follow a strict literal meaning of the clause then you would be stuck. If they apply a more purposive and realistic approach, then it ought to count from the date of first repayment and thus, they can waive the penalty. More often than not, if you refinance with the same bank, they can exercise their discretion to waive the penalty, or give you a significant reduction upon same. icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(memphisto @ Nov 1 2012, 10:58 PM)
Dear Dario,

Would like to get some legal advice from you...

I was issued a Notice of Late Payment for failure to pay the building maintenance fee & sinking fund by the Apartment Management. In fact the notice was pin up all over the notice board in the Apartment, displaying my unit no. It really caught me by surprise as I recalled I never failed to pay up my maintenance fee & sinking fund every month, in fact I kept all the official receipt whenever I made payment. When I confronted the apartment management, asking for explanation, they claimed that it was due to my cheque was refund from their records. It was a surprise to me as I never recalled any cheque was not cleared, I double confirm with the bank immediately and it was confirmed that the cheque have been cleared and money have been disbursed. But the apartment management was adamant saying the cheque was refund. I am sure that someone has cleared the cheque, as it is Account Payee only - no one else could have cleared the cheque. I am seriously considering to take legal action against the Apartment management for this incident, as my unit was put up on the notice board whilst I have never failed to do my payment, I have all the official receipts issued by them, my cheques to them was all cleared as per my record/statement confirmed by the Bank,in fact proven with cheque scanning image bank into receiving account - the notice is a damage to my reputation as it is stated that they will take legal action on my unit failing to do the payment.
Someone has clearly bank in the cheque and they insist the receiving bank said NO, and that's it?!

The management office did not give me any satisfactory answer but just said they did not receive my cheque and hung up.
I am extremely not happy with the response, whilst I had to do all my part to prove the cheque has been bank-in, and what they did was just said No.
Can I take legal action? Or issue any kind of action to prompt further investigation?
Thank you very much,
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Has the cheque been cleared for payment and the sum deducted from your account? If so, then as far as you're concerned, you've paid. Plus, management had issued you with a receipt right? If so, couple that with your bank statement and you have strong evidence of payment.

With regard to defamation, what was stated in the notice? Was your name stated or was it just the unit number? What was the exact wording of the notice? If you can reproduce it here then it would be helpful. It is the extent of the publication and exposure that would determine the liability as well as quantum of damages payable to you.

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QUOTE(atah @ Nov 2 2012, 11:35 AM)
Hi Dario,

I have just got an update from the developer regarding the title. According to them, they have just made the payment to the surveyor for the processing of the individual title.

May I know is this a normal procedure to process the individual title? Also 'normally', how long will it take from this step until the individual title is issued?

Thanks
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Sorry, hard to advise on this. Payment has been made but has work commenced? We do not know how efficient they are. Hard to say.
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QUOTE(philiploop @ Nov 2 2012, 02:49 PM)
Hi, i need some advise regarding the Letter of Confirmation and Undertaking.

Recently, I had refinancing my property to other financier and appoint they panel lawyer to handle refinance transmission. Last week, the bank panel lawyer has write-in a letter to my existing legal firm to issuance a Letter of Undertaking to them.

Yesterday, I receive a email from bank panel lawyer asking me to forward amount of disbursement payment to the SPA solicitor for issuance a Letter of Undertaking.

Since, I had pay the final bill of legal fee pretaining to loan documentation to bank panel layer should be no more charge will require me to pay.

I need some advice who should pay the disbursement fee for Letter of Undertaking  to SPA solicitor me or bank panel lawyer.

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What disbursement fee is this? Your SPA lawyer is charging you for a simple LOU? Why so calculative? Ask them to waive la. In any event, you have go bear the cost, not the lawyer or the bank.


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