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post Aug 8 2012, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 8 2012, 01:42 PM)
I recently sold my house and the purchaser appointed her lawyer to prepare the SPA.  The agent asked me to appoint the same lawyer since it is faster.  Is that advisable?
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Kindly refer to the first few pages of v1 of Lawyer's Corner. There has been a long discussion on this topic there. If there are any further enquiries after you peruse the posts, do come back and ask
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post Aug 8 2012, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 8 2012, 02:38 PM)
Thanks. A lot.  Will spend time to go through. BTW, I heard we can appeal for the RPGT once in a life time.  Is that true?

I sold my 1st property at lost two years ago and this property I sold within 5 years from SPA date.  Can I appeal for the 5% RPGT?
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It's not called appeal. It's called a one-time exception (pengecualian) from paying RPGT.

The property must be used for residential purpose and you must adduce evidence of a latest duly paid utilities bill.
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post Aug 8 2012, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(phdmaster @ Aug 8 2012, 02:48 PM)
Hi Dario,

I have written to the buyer lawyer to terminate the SPA and she wrote back and said that she had stopped the process. They have reached the stage of having obtained the consent to charge and about to commence to lodge caveat for buyer bank (not sure I read correctly).

My question: At this stage, do I need legal representation? Can I just email her and ask her to advise me on further procedures for me to undo the whole process to the state prior to SPA and also how to return the 10% deposit to the buyer? Is the process straight forward? Do I have to pay any legal fees to undo the process since I did not cause the termination?

Looking forward to your reply.
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Not necessary to use a lawyer at this stage, unless you feel that the other side would be difficult with you.

Don't use email. Use a proper letter sent in by hand with an acknowledgement. Use it for all correspondence. Or refer to your SPA - how are notices to be sent. Normally it would be by hand or AR Registered. If possible, send it in by hand.

From what I gather nothing much has moved except at consent stage. As such, there would not be much to be "undone" - except for removal of private caveat lodged by purchaser, return of all documents handed to the purchaser's lawyer (if any original documents) and refund of the deposit in full.


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QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 8 2012, 02:50 PM)
Thanks Big Brother.

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What makes you think I'm not Big Sister? hmm.gif


QUOTE(brianccg @ Aug 8 2012, 02:50 PM)
In such case, is this consider this is my one-time exception from paying RPGT for my second property since I sold my 1st property after 5 years from date of SPA and yet at loss?
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For exemption, it does not matter whether it's your 1st or 100th property or whether you sold your last one at a profit or loss.

This exemption stands by itself. But of course in this case you need to be sure that you would be making a profit. Otherwise, there is no need even apply for the exemption. icon_rolleyes.gif

PS: Correct term is exemption, not exception. icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(sepilok0105 @ Aug 9 2012, 05:54 PM)
hi... i tried running a search on our Bar Council for one of the lawyers... her name did not turn up in the list but the firm did... what does that imply may i know?

When i did the firm search... it did not list her as one of their lawyers... but i got her contact from that firm... it was linked to them...

Can you tell me what does this mean? can i trust her?
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It shows that she does not possess a valid Practising Certificate (PC) for year 2012. It means that she cannot act as your solicitor for a SPA or appear in Court on your behalf of any matters.

Basically she can only give you legal advice but not in an official capacity as an Advocate & Solicitor.

Do ensure that you have checked properly. Do not type out the full name at one go. Try typing out a shorter version of the name, eg. instead of 'Padaiyappa a/p Annamalai', try 'Pada' first, and see if the full name pops out. The search function is quite sensitive and it would be better to search with a shorter name.

If you want to be 100% sure, you can call up Bar Council just to check if this person possesses a PC for 2012.

Good luck icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Lover @ Aug 9 2012, 08:36 PM)
im the buyer of a condo. still waiting the loan approval but agent rush me to sign S&P . can i add a condition whereby if loan not approve i shall get back my deposit?
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It should have been stated in the offer to purchase. If it's not there then the vendor can say no. Normally loan has to be applied aft booking and SPA. If you're confident of getting a loan there's no need to wait for approval before signing the SPA.
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QUOTE(sepilok0105 @ Aug 9 2012, 08:31 PM)
does that means lawyers has to like apply for the PC every year? in that case... how do I tell her nicely that i have not seen your name on the bar council's list... i mean would she be offended?
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Yes it is issued at the start of every calendar year.

Why not just choose not to appoint her and proceed with another lawyer? There are 14,000 lawyers in Semenanjung Malaysia to choose from. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Aug 10 2012, 01:08 AM

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What is your question? Do you want me to comment on the answers above?

It is not the agent's job or duty to explain the terms to you. It is upon you to insist on the additional terms on 'refund if loan rejected'. Obvioulsy the vendor won't beso naive to suggest that you insert it. As far as the vendor is concerned, if you fail to meet the deadline to finalise the SPA, the deposit would be forfeited. The vendor has no concern about your loan application. His concern is to sign the SPA and wait for the balance purchase price at the end of the stipulated period.
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QUOTE(CarFan @ Aug 10 2012, 01:59 AM)
Hi,
Hope this isn't the wrong place for my query. If it is, please tell me where to go.

When I purchased my 1st property about 8 years ago, I had used my EPF money to make 1 initial payment. Haven't used EPF since. I now want to get a 3rd property and the new rules require us to make 30% downpayment for 3rd prop onwards. I wanted to check if I can use the EPF money as part payment for my 30% payment for the house. The loan on my 1st property is still ongoing and I've never made any withdrawal since the 1 done 8 years ago. Do I qualify to use EPF for this 3rd property? If not, what do I need to do to be able to use the EPF for my 3rd property ie. settle the full loan on the 1st property, sell the 1st property etc? Tq.
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You need to dispose off the property, i.e. sell it off or you can also transfer it to another party, etc spouse. KWSP would require you to show proof of disposal by way of documentary evidence.
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post Aug 12 2012, 11:16 PM

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Sorry guys had a busy weekend. Wlll answer all queries by tomorrow. Please check back. Cheers.
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post Aug 13 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 11 2012, 12:31 PM)
Hi Dario,

I would like to seek your inputs regarding the following as this is my first time as a buyer.

As I am not able to purchase a property directly under my name until next year because a certain requirement needs to be fulfilled till then - this has no relation to my financial history at all as I have no past/present/outstanding loan or debts to my name. So I intend to purchase the property under my mother's name and when the right time comes along, the property will be transferred to my name under the love and affection transaction. However, I was told by someone who had sought the opinion of a lawyer regarding this issue. Please clarify this.

1. If owner still under your mother name, you are the borrower. MOT still can transfer to you (can treat as love and affection) but it can be done once SPA done. By the time when it can be transfer, it need to get approval from financial institute  and it will cost higher because lawyer need to do MOT transfer charges.

2. Owner & MOT title is your mother name, you are the borrower. Just do a will for your mother, it cost cheaper.

In addition, I am interested in a property and if the deal is concluded with the owner (no agent involved), I would have to draft an agreement for both parties to sign, especially with the clause for earnest deposit to be refunded should the loan not be approved in the event. I managed to get a Letter of Intent for purchase of a property from a source and the terms and conditions in it seems vague and ambiguous, so I am not sure if this is acceptable to serve as an agreement for both parties to sign. I am unable to upload the LOI here as it is difficult to upload via my iPad. May I email you the LOI for you to take a look.

I would appreciate your kind inputs in this.

Thank you!  notworthy.gif
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What do you mean by "Owner & MOT title is your mother name, you are the borrower". Is the arrangement such that your mother is named as the purchaser but you are named as the borrower for the loan (third party financing)? What is what your statement seems to suggest. However, this does not tally with your earlier statement that "As I am not able to purchase a property directly under my name until next year because a certain requirement needs to be fulfilled till then".

Please clarify in order for me to advise you further. What is your specific question with regard to the two scenarios?
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QUOTE(yunbo @ Aug 11 2012, 02:37 PM)
Hi Dario,

I already placed my 3% deposit to agent, and proceed with loan application. My financial standing is okay, however I received 2 rejection letters from banks due to Property is under "Negative Listing". After receiving the notification from bank, I found out that developer is going to wind up soon and will be placed under liquidator.

I informed the agent that it is hard for me to proceed with the purchase because bank couldnt finance the purchase, and it will be messy in future once the liquidator takes over. FYI, The strata title has been issued since 2008 but Vendor hasnt executed the transfer. Developer doesnt consent direct transfer. Developer also warned me to be prepared for a very long process of transfer once liquidator comes into picture.

I requested from agent to refund my booking deposit. Agent asked me to talk with Vendor and will refund my deposit if the Vendor also decided not to proceed. I then discussed my problem with the Vendor, he understood my situation and both of us decided to terminate the transaction.

I then informed the agent that vendor and I mutually agreed not to proceed with the transaction. Then the agent sms Vendor stating that after checking with their lawyer, the Property can be sold and deposit cant be refunded. If Vendor decided to abort, agent will charged Vendor half of the deposit.

I think this is unfair for an agent to do such thing to Vendor, and at the same time I've this feeling that agent will not refund my deposit, giving me the impression that  lawyer can proceed with S&P for wind up developer.

I don't know what to do now. I feel bad for the Vendor if agent charged him that amount. And at the same time i dont want to go ahead with the purchase anymore since my loan already got rejected sad.gif

Appreciate it very much if you could advise me on this. Can I file a complaint against agent? to whom shall I file the complaint?
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What is stated in the letter of offer to purchase? Does it state that you would be entitled to a full refund of earnest deposit paid if you obtain 2 letters of rejection from 2 banks? If so, you are entitled to have your deposit refunded.
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QUOTE(Seremban_Guy123 @ Aug 12 2012, 05:58 PM)
Hi Dario,

Last week I just to book a bumi lot unit, it is
understood that we need to convert this unit
into non bumi lot unit before we move into
this unit.

Should we convert this unit into non bumi lot
first before proceed the SnP signing?

The above unit is a freehold unit and already
obtain the individual strata title.

Thank You
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Convert? Or obtain consent to transfer to non bumi?
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QUOTE(angle45 @ Aug 13 2012, 12:12 AM)
Hi Dario,
I would like to ask, I'm first time home buyer which wanted to buy a SOHO at subang, however the land title is commercial. if I make the SPA below 350k do I entitle for the rebat for 50% which stated in Malaysia budget? Please help to advise on this. Thank you
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http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1748580&hl=
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QUOTE(j-insigh @ Aug 12 2012, 09:35 PM)
would like to ask, if i buy a second hand property, will I get charged higher by govt/ higher charge by lawyer?\

thank u.
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Legal fees would be higher as when you purchase from developer under Schedule G or H agreement, the lawyer is compelled under the SRO to only charge up to a certain extent of the fees, depending on the price. You can download the SRO at the first page to take a look.

Govt - are you referring to stamp duty on MOT? There is no difference with regard to stamp duty.
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QUOTE(Ray78 @ Aug 13 2012, 11:46 AM)
Correct me if I am wrong,isn't OSA Act 88 Section 24 state this:

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Don't just look at Sec 24(3). Start with Section 24(1) - protection of informers under this Act. This Act refers to Official Secrets.

Look at the definition of Official Secret:
“official secret” means any document specified in the Schedule and any information and material relating thereto and includes any
other official document, information and material as may be classified as “Top Secret”, “Secret”, “Confidential” or “Restricted”, as the
case may be, by a Minister, the Menteri Besar or Chief Minister of a State or such public officer appointed under section 2B.

The Schedule further defines the documents as:
"Cabinet documents, records of decisions and deliberations including those of cabinet committees; State Executive Council documents, records of decisions and deliberations including
those of State Executive Council committees; Documents concerning national security, defence and international relations.

I strongly doubt that a police tip off regarding a drug user would fall under the definition of Official Secret.

That is my opinion.

QUOTE(Ray78 @ Aug 13 2012, 11:46 AM)
B know that A is the one through a very reliable source.So B is confident that A is the one who did it.
(FYI,A had made verbal threats in the past wanting to harm/defame B somehow.)
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Reliable source? That's all? A can easily deny.

A made verbal threats? How to prove verbal? Was a police report lodged? Was there any action taken against A for the verbal threats? Seems like a long shot for B to be able to pin A.

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QUOTE(Ray78 @ Aug 13 2012, 08:41 PM)
1.So you imply anyone can give false information to the police with the intention to defame and easily get away with a denial?

2.Won't the court use its power to force the police to release A's or whomever identity that gave the tip-off?
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1. I'm not implying anything. I'm trying to explain to you that in law, the burden of proof is upon who alleges. Now B alleges that A defamed him by making a false tip off. The defamatory statement could be that B is a drug user. So B files a civil suit against A.

Now, under the law, it is B who has to lead evidence of the defamation, and that A was the who defamed B. it is not for B turn around and ask A to prove that he did NOT defame B. B has to call the police officers who personally heard A tip off/complain against B, uttering the defamatory words in the process. Of course, the exact words sopken must be proved and the words must be defamatory in nature.

Once that is proven, then the tables are turned and the burden of proof shifts to A to show a defence as to why he uttered those defamatory words. I A fails to discharge the burden of proof, then judgment will be given to B and damages will be awarded to B which A has to pay.

2. The Court can grant a mandatory injunction, but B must first show some form of evidence against the police officers. If there is nothing in writing, what is stopping the police officers from turning up in Court and deny having heard anything from A? You force them via a Court order and they in turn offer no assistance. If it was a police report then there might be a chance. If it was a verbal tip off then it's going to be an uphill battle to gather evidence as oral evidence is easily denied and offers little evidenciary value.
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QUOTE(S'aimer @ Aug 13 2012, 09:19 PM)
Hi Dario,

To put it simply , the 2 statements mentioned was infered to me by a home loan agent when i made enquiries regarding home loan packages. She mentioned that if the Owner is my mother and i am the borrower, which would be considered a third party financing. BUT the legal problem was regarding the MOT and how it would affect the loan package overall. I had asked her if having a MOT (love and affection transaction) done, will affect the loan issue or not because i understand that for transfer of property to another party from a party normally will require a new SPA, loan agreement  etc and legal charges will be incurred again. Her reply was based on the lawyer's advice for the MOT.

So i am confused as to whether a MOT or a will is better for the change of ownership without changing the SPA etc and incurring alot of legal charges?
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You have confused yourself with the terms.

MOT is an instrument of transfer. A MOT is the only way to transfer ownership from a party to another. However, the only way to effect a transfer is if the property is free from encumbrances. If there is a charge, via a bank loan, you can't do a transfer, unless the bank consents to it. If they don't consent, you would have to refinance the loan. There is no need to do another SPA. There is also no such thing as "change the SPA" as you have stated.

A will only takes effect if the proprietor is deceased. What if you are not able to dispose of your foreign property before the will comes into effect? Would you not return to square one as you are?

Which country is this which does not allow the proprietor to own a property in another country? I'd like to know.
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QUOTE(Ray78 @ Aug 13 2012, 11:35 PM)
Is it possible for A to counter sue B for threatening him with a lawsuit without evidence? Is there such a risk?
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For a civil claim, A can only seek for costs. He can't seek for damages by way of a counterclaim.

QUOTE(Ray78 @ Aug 13 2012, 11:35 PM)
And if B were take legal action against the police instead,will B have a better chance then?
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Take legal action via a civil suit? Under what grounds?
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QUOTE(angle45 @ Aug 14 2012, 08:13 AM)
Hi Dario, Thanks for the link. However I would like to ask whether this SOHO unit stated as residential or not, I've paste the term in SPA as below:

"AND WHEREAS the vendor is developing the Said Land as a housing development provisionally known as"xxxxx" complete thereon with common facilities as in the Second Schedule(hereinafter referred to "Said Project""

"AND WHEREAS the Vendor has agreed to sell and the Purchaser has agreed to purchase a parcel of apartment with vacant possession distinguished as described in Section 3 of Schedule A hereto which is delineated and shared GREEN in the Story Plan measuring area stated in Section 4 of the Schedule A hereto within Story No. and Building No. as described in Section 5 of the Schedule A hereto which is turn delineated and edged RED in site plan with accessory parcal with VACANT possession distinguished as accessory parcal number as described in Section 6 of the Schedule A hereto, subject to term and conditions hereinafter contained."
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My opinion is that it would count as residential, so it would be covered under the exemption. To be absolutely sure do check the master title. icon_rolleyes.gif

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