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post Feb 29 2012, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(PetomJL @ Feb 29 2012, 06:44 PM)
Is the individual title not yet available/not yet transferred? Normally that's the case if a title is in developer's hand.
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If not yet available then it would still be referred to as Master Title. If not yet transferred then the title itself is in the name of the developer. In both cases, it is justifiable for it to be kept by the developer. If title is out, the developer has to surrender the original to the Purchaser's bank. That would be in line with an undertaking which they would have given to the purchaser's bank before the loan sum was disbursed to them.

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post Feb 29 2012, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(Seremban_2 @ Feb 29 2012, 05:51 PM)
You can ask the vendor give you a photostate copy of title or get Property Title No to do a land search.
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Seems like vendor does not even want to give a photostat copy to him. doh.gif

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post Feb 29 2012, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(jimme @ Feb 29 2012, 06:33 PM)
In case vendor delay on above procedure (not giving original documents) and purchaser's bank starts charging interest. Can purchaser stipulate something on SPA that if such cicusmstances happen vendor is liable for the bank interest incurred? Thanks.
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Of course, but I doubt if the vendor would agree to it, as it is something which is out of the vendor's hands. The original documents would be in the possession of the vendor's financier. They would have to dig it out and hand it over. I have never seen such a term in any SPA so far. Nothing can stop the parties from putting in any term as they wish, provided both agree to such terms AND such terms are not contrary to law.

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post Feb 29 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(irise.ufall @ Feb 29 2012, 12:20 PM)
Hi Sifu, the Vendor is still staying in the unit. They ask me to rent the unit to them 1st even after they hav handed over the keys to me.
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So he pays you rent, although you have not paid the full purchase price to him? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 29 2012, 11:05 PM)
If for litigation, i.e. court proceedings, then it is subjective. Different law firms will charge you differently. So it is not based on the value of the property or the work hours required for the whole process.

If for conveyancing, i.e. transfer of property, then in Semenanjung, there is the SRO 2005 which regulates a fixed scaled based on the price of the property. If it is a transfer pursuant to a will, then it would be based on the market price. This is set by the Bar Council.

Am not sure as to the scaled fees in Sabah. Perhaps you can call the Sabah Law Association, whcih governs advocates and solicitors in Sabah.

With regard to your comment on how it doesn't make sense to you if they charge on the value of the house when the procedure is the same, let me explain to you the basis for it - the higher the price, the higher the risk it is for the lawyer doing the work. If things go wrong, then the lawyer would be sued for that higher amount. What if you act in person. You bear that same higher risk. When you appoint a lawyer, you pass the risk to the lawyer. As such, the higher the risk, the higher the remuneration must be.

That is the logic for it.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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but that 6k is phase one...for high court stuff only
its not a total package...he say this is the fee just for phase one
phase 2..transfer is another fee
i wrote down everything in another thread...the last post
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2246732&hl=

so i think overall...might be 10k just to transfer ownership only...and its just a small apartment
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 29 2012, 10:30 PM)
So, the due rental is from the husband who signed the agreement with you? If so, then you have to sue him, not sue her. Send a letter of demand via a lawyer to him. As the wife is paying rental as usual, I don't think you can sue her as yet. Do you have an agreement with her? If not, better get one done now.

I hope I understood the facts right. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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I just want my land back...the money is second problem... because now they still do business in my land....

What the step to take back my land?

If i sue him i must pay the lawyer first... so better i get my land is enough...
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 29 2012, 10:53 PM)
You quoted my reply to another forummer's question on consent. Is your property leasehold which requires consent? In any event, it is the vendor's duty to obtain consent to transfer, and your loan lawyer's duty to obtain consent to charge.

At the end of the transaction, keys are given to you with vacant posession. So that friend would have to move out before keys are handed over to you.

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i guess my mistake on overlook for your reply on another forumer's question.. doh.gif

actually the unit i am purchasing are freehold.. i suppose that does not require any consent then...
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post Mar 1 2012, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 29 2012, 11:14 PM)
So he pays you rent, although you have not paid the full purchase price to him?  hmm.gif
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No Sifu Dario, they ask if i can rent the unit to them after they hv handed over the keys to me.

That's y they keep dragging...

Can the Bar Council do something on this? Like monitor them?
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QUOTE(doublef @ Mar 1 2012, 02:16 AM)
I just want my land back...the money is second problem... because now they still do business in my land....

What the step to take back my land?

If i sue him i must pay the lawyer first... so better i get my land is enough...
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I'll explain again. Now you have allowed the wife to do business on the land in exchange for monthly rental. She has yet to default on the rental right? Is there an agreement between the both of you?

If yes, then you are bound by it. Look and see if there are terms pertaining to termination. Perhaps can be terminated with notice. Perhaps not. Check and see.

If not, then it is merely a monthly tenancy and you can terminate it by giving her one month's notice in writing. After one month, if she refuses, then you need to appoint a lawyer to get a court order to evict them from the premises.

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QUOTE(irise.ufall @ Mar 1 2012, 09:24 AM)
No Sifu Dario, they ask if i can rent the unit to them after they hv handed over the keys to me.

That's y they keep dragging...

Can the Bar Council do something on this? Like monitor them?
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I see. BC would not interfere in this. If you feel that the lawyer has been dragging their feet and not protecting your interest, the only way is to lodge a formal complaint with the ASDB. Link at first page of thread. Before that it would be better for you to raise your issues in a letter addressed to the SPA lawyer and sent by hand to their office with an acknowledgement that they received it. Give them 48 hours to provide you with an explanation as to the delay, etc. Put in all your complaints there and back it up with e-mails or what was said in phone conversations. State that if they fail to reply, you will lodge a complaint with ASDB. That ought to shake them up. Then you see how it goes.

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Mar 1 2012, 12:21 AM)
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but that 6k is phase one...for high court stuff only
its not a total package...he say this is the fee just for phase one
phase 2..transfer is another fee
i wrote down everything in another thread...the last post
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2246732&hl=

so i think overall...might be 10k just to transfer ownership only...and its just a small apartment
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Just get another quotation from another law firm. It's a free world and I'm sure there's many other lawyers in your town/city. Am sure you can get one who can do the work for much less (since your priority is low legal fees). You can keep on going until you find a lawyer who can match your budget.

Good luck. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Hi there, im not sure this is the correct thread to ask this question.

Is bout a under-con(+-70% built) property that i'd bought (loan approved, now waiting to sign SPA), i got another quotation from another law firm, is much cheaper then developer's law firm quotation, developer said is ok to use our own law firm but she wan me to bare in mind that the bank drawndown period is only 21 working days after sign SPA, which she worry that if two law firm working on the submission of relevant documents might lengthen the period.

My concern is, what i know (from banker & fren who work in law firm) said that 21 working days ain't enough for the bank to start giving money to the developer, normally are 3 months (?) but the developer side replied me said that 3 months is for completed property and under-con is only 21 working days for bank drawndown.

If i use their panel lawyer, 21 days still is a very tide period and if over 21 days, developer gonna penalty me anyway either use my own or their lawyer.

But the developer said their SPA stated 21 working days (approx. 1 month) already, thats the facts. If it so, what else can i do? is it really only 21 working days for under-con property? or just this developer? is the drawndown period set by developer them self?

Most appreciate, sorry for the long questions coz first time buying property.

Lucas

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is there any good to purchaser if seller wants to use purchaser lawyer for SPA?
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QUOTE(hianboy @ Mar 1 2012, 12:38 PM)
Hi there, im not sure this is the correct thread to ask this question.

Is bout a under-con(+-70% built) property that i'd bought (loan approved, now waiting to sign SPA), i got another quotation from another law firm, is much cheaper then developer's law firm quotation, developer said is ok to use our own law firm but she wan me to bare in mind that the bank drawndown period is only 21 working days after sign SPA, which she worry that if two law firm working on the submission of relevant documents might lengthen the period.

My concern is, what i know (from banker & fren who work in law firm) said that 21 working days ain't enough for the bank to start giving money to the developer, normally are 3 months (?) but the developer side replied me said that 3 months is for completed property and under-con is only 21 working days for bank drawndown.

If i use their panel lawyer, 21 days still is a very tide period and if over 21 days, developer gonna penalty me anyway either use my own or their lawyer.

But the developer said their SPA stated 21 working days (approx. 1 month) already, thats the facts. If it so, what else can i do? is it really only 21 working days for under-con property? or just this developer? is the drawndown period set by developer them self?

Most appreciate, sorry for the long questions coz first time buying property.

Lucas
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21 working days is quite standard. It is more than enough time for the bank to issue drawdown. If your loan is approved before signing the SPA itself then there is nothing to worry. There are folks who do not want to use the developer's panel lawyer and insist on being represented by their own law firm, just to get the peace of mind.

QUOTE(hianboy @ Mar 1 2012, 12:38 PM)
If i use their panel lawyer, 21 days still is a very tide period and if over 21 days, developer gonna penalty me anyway either use my own or their lawyer.
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That's a good observation. nod.gif

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QUOTE(ketiak_masyam @ Mar 1 2012, 01:34 PM)
is there any good to purchaser if seller wants to use purchaser lawyer for SPA?
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Better, actually! More faster and eliminates one paper trail. nod.gif
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Much appreciate for your prompt replies dariofoo~

Just back from signing OL with the banker.

Will wait them to arrange sign the SPA and Loan Agreement.

Most appreciate.


Lucas
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Mar 1 2012, 10:48 AM)
Just get another quotation from another law firm. It's a free world and I'm sure there's many other lawyers in your town/city. Am sure you can get one who can do the work for much less (since your priority is low legal fees). You can keep on going until you find a lawyer who can match your budget.

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can't do..its done
that fee that i just typed out...is what hes charging us
my only question he...is he charging us right?...doing the right procedure or not
just want to know...lawyers will charge u 1 go or like my case...got different phase...different phase, different fees
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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Mar 1 2012, 10:47 AM)
I see. BC would not interfere in this. If you feel that the lawyer has been dragging their feet and not protecting your interest, the only way is to lodge a formal complaint with the ASDB. Link at first page of thread. Before that it would be better for you to raise your issues in a letter addressed to the SPA lawyer and sent by hand to their office with an acknowledgement that they received it. Give them 48 hours to provide you with an explanation as to the delay, etc. Put in all your complaints there and back it up with e-mails or what was said in phone conversations. State that if they fail to reply, you will lodge a complaint with ASDB. That ought to shake them up. Then you see how it goes.

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Ok tqvm Sifu Dario. I think i will engage another lawyer to draft the letter for me or issue the letter on behalf of me.

Thanks again~ notworthy.gif


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Hi Dariofoo

I have read through most of your post and you seems to be a knowledgeable lawyer. Thanks for helping layman like us.

I would like to seek your advise pertaining to the following quotation I received. Reasonable and should I accept it?

Deed of Receipt & Reassignment (DRR) RM 400-00
CHKT (2 persons) RM 600-00
S/D – Letter of Undertaking RM 100-00
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RM1,100-00
Add: Service Tax RM 66-00
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RM1,166-00
Add: Disbursements:-
Land Searches RM 100-00
Bankruptcy Searches RM 60-00
Winding Up Searches RM 60-00
Stamp Duty on DRR RM 40-00
Confirmation of Developer RM 50-00
Revocation of PA RM 75-00
Transport & Travelling RM 250-00
Photocopy, printing, postage etc RM 100-00
Telephone, fax, courier and other charges RM 100-00
Miscellaneous and other incidentals charges RM 50-00
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RM 885-00
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RM2,051-00
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Hi Dario,

I just in process to purchase a double storey house in Klang.
I already signed Letter of Offer and Acceptance prepared by property agent, and owner had also signed the form.
I had paid 3%(RM9840) as earnest deposit for confirmation buying this house.
I had ask agent to write a statement in SPECIAL EXPRESS CONDITION in the column of the form.
It stated that, "The owner is not allowed to cancel the deal after signing this Letter of Offer and Acceptance. If it is so happens, the owner will pay a double deposit compensation to the buyer."

After 1 week, the owner wanna cancel the deal due to his personal problem. vmad.gif
He agree to pay me double(RM9840 X 2) as he want to cancel the deal.

There is a clause stated in the form, "In the event the transaction is cancelled/aborted by vendor/purchaser before the S&P is executed for any reason whatever, Richland properties shall be entitle to 50% of the earnest deposit as their agency fee together with 6% Service Tax.

Problem start here.....

1) the owner(vendor) does not want to compensate as written cleary in Letter of Offer & Acceptance. mad.gif
What should i do? Did i need to engage lawyer by myself for this case? or the agent need to engage lawyer for me?

2) Percentage of winning?

3) Normally what is the standard procedure for this case?

4) What is the time frame for the owner to fully paid the compensation to me?


Really need your proffesional consultation on this matter!! notworthy.gif
Hope to hear from you soon.

Regards,
Mr. Chien

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