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TSdariofoo
post Feb 19 2012, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(kosinus @ Feb 18 2012, 01:35 PM)
Hi Dariofoo,

I got a situation here. I was in a process of buying a 2nd hand house 33 years ago. 10% deposit had been given to the owner. SNP was ready and signed. I've also singed bank agreement for loan. Everything went good.

After a while, bank has noticed me that the house cannot be bought due to the owner is declared bankrupt. It hangs there.

SNP lawyer suggested to sue the owner for not being honest not telling he is a bankrupt. But until today, nothing is done. I've taken my own initiative to deal with the owner for returning my deposit back as i didn't get the house and dont want to pursue my intention onto the house anymore. The owner agreed to pay back by installment. It's fine for me.

The thing is i've paid the lawyer. I would say he failed to do his job. Was he supposed to do property searching before proceed with anything e.g snp, etc? Can I get the money back frm the lawyer or my money is wasted already?
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Your SPA lawyer is pretty smart - trying to deflect it and blame it on the vendor for not disclosing his bankruptcy. What the SPA lawyer ought to have done was to do a bankruptcy search on the vendor ASAP, preferrably before execution of the SPA and before the balance deposit changes hands.

What you need to do now is to sue your SPA lawyer for negligence. What money back are you referring to? Legal fees or the deposit?
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post Feb 19 2012, 09:53 PM

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QUOTE(jimme @ Feb 19 2012, 02:05 PM)
hi dariofoo,

I just bought an 2nd hand house with 8 years, apartment, leashold. Paid 3% booking fee. Assigning lawyer to prepare S&P, and applying loan.

My Qs is:
1. Shall I use the same lawyer of seller? (seller use same lawyer with developer, in the process of MOT now) Seller intend to transfer the Strata to my name directly, as the MOT just start.
2. How do I ensure the house tax, indah water, water & elec bills has been clear before hand over to me? Is this lawyer job?
3. Agent & seller try to persuade me to use same lawyer, to save time & money. But I not sure which part to be exactly saving money. Can you help?

Many thanks.
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1. Be careful. You can't share lawyers with the vendor. Only the vendor can tumpang your lawyer to do the redemption and discharge of charge/deed of RnR. I think what the agent n vendor is trying to do is to push you to appoint the vendor's choice of lawyer and then, you would pay full scaled fees while the vendor is the one who saves money, as the he doesn't pay full scaled fees. I'd suggest appointing your own lawyer as you're the purchaser and you would be paying full scaled fees nonetheless.

2. Depends on whether the lawyer includes it in the terms of the SPA. Most of the time, it is provided that all outgoings must be settled by the vendor in advance, and if there are any apportionments, it would be done at the end when the balance purchase price is handed over to the vendor.\

3. Vendor will be saving money. That's all.

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post Feb 19 2012, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(TamaUser @ Feb 19 2012, 04:56 PM)
Hi, a simple question here.

I planned to operate a business, trading related shop. What is the requirement to operate a store in Malaysia? Any procedure I can refer to?
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Well, to open up a business - a sole proprietorship, is quite easy. Go to SSM and with RM70 payment, you can register your business in slightly more than an hour. A Sdn Bhd might take longer, and is a bit pricey as folks always appoint a management firm to do it for them and then appoint the qualified person in that firm to be their company secretary.

After that you need to check whether licenses/permits are needed for your venture.

Thirdly, at the location where you're setting up - check with the local authority (DBKL,MPAJ,etc) as to their rules and regulations.

That's about all I can think of.

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QUOTE(TamaUser @ Feb 19 2012, 04:56 PM)
Hi, a simple question here.

I planned to operate a business, trading related shop. What is the requirement to operate a store in Malaysia? Any procedure I can refer to?
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Well, to open up a business - a sole proprietorship, is quite easy. Go to SSM and with RM70 payment, you can register your business in slightly more than an hour. A Sdn Bhd might take longer, and is a bit pricey as folks always appoint a management firm to do it for them and then appoint the qualified person in that firm to be their company secretary.

After that you need to check whether licenses/permits are needed for your venture.

Thirdly, at the location where you're setting up - check with the local authority (DBKL,MPAJ,etc) as to their rules and regulations.

That's about all I can think of.

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post Feb 20 2012, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 19 2012, 09:49 PM)
Your SPA lawyer is pretty smart - trying to deflect it and blame it on the vendor for not disclosing his bankruptcy. What the SPA lawyer ought to have done was to do a bankruptcy search on the vendor ASAP, preferrably before execution of the SPA and before the balance deposit changes hands.

What you need to do now is to sue your SPA lawyer for negligence. What money back are you referring to? Legal fees or the deposit?
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Thanks for your feedback. I wish to have my legal fees back from the lawyer. I've settled deposit from the vendor after 3 years installment. What is the procedure to sue a lawyer?
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Hi Dario Foo, good morning.

Hope u can still remember me. blush.gif

So.... new problems arise.

To make it short:

My bank has paid to the vendor the 1st payment to clear their loan with their bank since early of January 2012.

But unfortunately they are still dragging and keep delaying as at today. I am still waiting for them to hand over the documents required from the bank to my bank.

May i know:
1) Is there any legal way to force them to give the documents within a certain period? Their lawyer has been sitting with it until now.
2) The vendor is supposed to bear for the interest charged to me by the bank right?
3) They hav been ignoring my loan solicitor's letters (3 letters) which they request for the necessary documents. What can i or my loan solicitor do?

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QUOTE(kosinus @ Feb 20 2012, 08:51 AM)
Thanks for your feedback. I wish to have my legal fees back from the lawyer. I've settled deposit from the vendor after 3 years installment. What is the procedure to sue a lawyer?
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There's no special procedure. Just appoint a lawyer to do the necessary to file a civil suit in Court.

You can also file a complaint with the A&S Disciplinary Board but that would be disciplinary action against the lawyer and has nothing to do with the fees, which you have to recover by way of a civil suit as stated above.

However, a complaint, especially one which goes through and gets a hearing date fixed, would definitely put pressure on the lawyer to settle with you.

Good luck.

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QUOTE(irise.ufall @ Feb 20 2012, 11:10 AM)
Hi Dario Foo, good morning.

Hope u can still remember me.  blush.gif

So.... new problems arise.

To make it short:

My bank has paid to the vendor the 1st payment to clear their loan with their bank since early of January 2012.

But unfortunately they are still dragging and keep delaying as at today. I am still waiting for them to hand over the documents required from the bank to my bank.

May i know:
1) Is there any legal way to force them to give the documents within a certain period? Their lawyer has been sitting with it until now.
2) The vendor is supposed to bear for the interest charged to me by the bank right?
3) They hav been ignoring my loan solicitor's letters (3 letters) which they request for the necessary documents. What can i or my loan solicitor do?

Pls help.  notworthy.gif
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1) Nothing. You just get your completion date extended if there is a delay from the vendor's side. Unless there is something special in your SPA which states you can do something? Read it. Otherwise, there is nothing you can do.

2) Not in a normal agreement. Unless your SPA states something to that effect?

3) Nothing except send more reminders. Unless your SPA states something else which you can do?

Nothing much to help you as everything which a party is entitled to do or claim would be in the SPA. Nothing else which is contrary or not provided for in the SPA can be valid.

Cheers.

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I also have a problem...

I hv bought a hse about 3 years ago. The developer borne all the stamp duty & etc.

I am going to purchase an unit of apartment now.

Do i still entitle for the 50% discount on the stamp duty?

Do i need to apply for it?

Thanks in advance.

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post Feb 20 2012, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(valentinonkk @ Feb 20 2012, 12:01 PM)
I also have a problem...

I hv bought a hse about 3 years ago. The developer borne all the stamp duty & etc.

I am going to purchase an unit of apartment now.

Do i still entitle for the 50% discount on the stamp duty?

Do i need to apply for it?

Thanks in advance.
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No you can't. It is for first time purchaser only. nod.gif
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post Feb 20 2012, 10:31 PM

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Hi,

I have a query.

Recently i have purchased a 2nd-hand unit and currently at the last stage (3rd month) where pending my SPA lawyer to submit final documents to my bank's lawyer in order for the bank to make final payment to the vendor. 1st payment from my bank to vendor's bank already done.

The delay is because pending for vendor to clear the house taxes.

I have obtained the keys from owner. Is it ok to start my renovation now ? Please advise as I'm rushing to get it completed.

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post Feb 21 2012, 01:36 AM

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QUOTE(calvins @ Feb 20 2012, 10:31 PM)
Hi,

I have a query.

Recently i have purchased a 2nd-hand unit and currently at the last stage (3rd month) where pending my SPA lawyer to submit final documents to my bank's lawyer in order for the bank to make final payment to the vendor. 1st payment from my bank to vendor's bank already done.

The delay is because pending for vendor to clear the house taxes.

I have obtained the keys from owner. Is it ok to start my renovation now ? Please advise as I'm rushing to get it completed.
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Sorry mate but if you want a guarantee that there would be any foul-ups resulting in the balance loan sum not released and jeopardising the whole transaction, you should directly ask your lawyer and ask your bank to guarantee you that. There's always a risk involved. I don't see it dragging more than a week or two, just to complete the whole transaction. If you really can't wait then you need to bear the risk. Cheers.

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post Feb 21 2012, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 20 2012, 11:52 AM)
There's no special procedure. Just appoint a lawyer to do the necessary to file a civil suit in Court.

You can also file a complaint with the A&S Disciplinary Board but that would be disciplinary action against the lawyer and has nothing to do with the fees, which you have to recover by way of a civil suit as stated above.

However, a complaint, especially one which goes through and gets a hearing date fixed, would definitely put pressure on the lawyer to settle with you.

Good luck.

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I found out that to make a complaint at ASDB, they require fee for processing of non refundable RM100.00. Is it true? doh.gif
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post Feb 21 2012, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 19 2012, 10:53 PM)
1. Be careful. You can't share lawyers with the vendor. Only the vendor can tumpang your lawyer to do the redemption and discharge of charge/deed of RnR. I think what the agent n vendor is trying to do is to push you to appoint the vendor's choice of lawyer and then, you would pay full scaled fees while the vendor is the one who saves money, as the he doesn't pay full scaled fees. I'd suggest appointing your own lawyer as you're the purchaser and you would be paying full scaled fees nonetheless.

2. Depends on whether the lawyer includes it in the terms of the SPA. Most of the time, it is provided that all outgoings must be settled by the vendor in advance, and if there are any apportionments, it would be done at the end when the balance purchase price is handed over to the vendor.\

3. Vendor will be saving money. That's all.

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Hi Darifoo,

1. The vendor actually agree to share 50/50 S&P fee with us. What is the disadvantages behind?

2. If I appoint the bank panel agency to handle S&P and housing loan, does it make the overall process faster and better?
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QUOTE(kosinus @ Feb 21 2012, 01:03 PM)
I found out that to make a complaint at ASDB, they require fee for processing of non refundable RM100.00. Is it true?  doh.gif
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QUOTE(jimme @ Feb 21 2012, 03:32 PM)
Hi Darifoo,

1. The vendor actually agree to share 50/50 S&P fee with us. What is the disadvantages behind?

2. If I appoint the bank panel agency to handle S&P and housing loan, does it make the overall process faster and better?
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1. That doesn't work and is not practical. The lawyer ought to be representing you and thus act in your best interest, and not the vendor. How can that same lawyer collect half fees from vendor? Another thing is - this lawyer would've been approached by the vendor first. He can't now turn around and act for you 'against' the vendor. It's already a conflict of interest. Thirdly, the lawyer is not a robot. If the lawyer has a relationship with the vendor and the agent, do you really think that he can remain impartial and act in your best interests 100% ? I doubt so.

2. Normally it would be faster, provided the said bank panel law firm is efficient. That is what matters.

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Enquiry: sub-sale property during under construction..

kindly advise what is the procedure?

Developer allows consent to transfer during under-construction period with penalty of 1%.

How new buyer gonna buy if they agreed on the new purchase price as the old SPA price btw seller & developer is the first hand price..

Another SPA has to be made? if so how is the existing SPA btw seller & dev?

Need to wait until VP only apply loan or buyer just apply loan directly after valuation can be fetched?

How about redemption from financing bank? Seller is ready to pay RPGT and exit penalty to the bank..

Thanks alot if can help
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Hi Dariofoo,

Is there any valid reason for a Vendor to hold the house key even after bank has produce a cheque with his name?

I am the purchaser, and his lawyer told me, i still cant get the key because the Vendor want to do some income tax (or something else, i dunno and duncare).

How long normally he can hold the key before i can ask my lawyer to charge him with interest? (I call the vendor and tell this and he get mad)

From my understanding, the process is, Vendor get the cheque, I get the key.

What do you think i can do to get my key as soon as possible?

(p/s The Vendor bought the house cash, thats why bank pay directly)

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Hi, I am a first time purchaser and wish to enquire whether a leasehold property in Cheras, KL requires the consent of local authority for the transfer to be effected. My agent told me beginning this year there is no such requirement but he is not certain on it. Please advice. Thanks.
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post Feb 23 2012, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(CKW008 @ Feb 23 2012, 10:10 AM)
Enquiry: sub-sale property during under construction..

kindly advise what is the procedure?

Developer allows consent to transfer during under-construction period with penalty of 1%.

How new buyer gonna buy if they agreed on the new purchase price as the old SPA price btw seller & developer is the first hand price..

Another SPA has to be made? if so how is the existing SPA btw seller & dev?

Need to wait until VP only apply loan or buyer just apply loan directly after valuation can be fetched?

How about redemption from financing bank? Seller is ready to pay RPGT and exit penalty to the bank..

Thanks alot if can help
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Another SPA has to be prepared. The existing SPA would no longer be applicable. However, it still needs to be kept for record purposes as there is no title yet.

Need to apply loan now itself as your bank needs to redeem vendor's loan.

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