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jimme
post Feb 19 2012, 02:05 PM

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hi dariofoo,

I just bought an 2nd hand house with 8 years, apartment, leashold. Paid 3% booking fee. Assigning lawyer to prepare S&P, and applying loan.

My Qs is:
1. Shall I use the same lawyer of seller? (seller use same lawyer with developer, in the process of MOT now) Seller intend to transfer the Strata to my name directly, as the MOT just start.
2. How do I ensure the house tax, indah water, water & elec bills has been clear before hand over to me? Is this lawyer job?
3. Agent & seller try to persuade me to use same lawyer, to save time & money. But I not sure which part to be exactly saving money. Can you help?

Many thanks.
jimme
post Feb 21 2012, 03:32 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 19 2012, 10:53 PM)
1. Be careful. You can't share lawyers with the vendor. Only the vendor can tumpang your lawyer to do the redemption and discharge of charge/deed of RnR. I think what the agent n vendor is trying to do is to push you to appoint the vendor's choice of lawyer and then, you would pay full scaled fees while the vendor is the one who saves money, as the he doesn't pay full scaled fees. I'd suggest appointing your own lawyer as you're the purchaser and you would be paying full scaled fees nonetheless.

2. Depends on whether the lawyer includes it in the terms of the SPA. Most of the time, it is provided that all outgoings must be settled by the vendor in advance, and if there are any apportionments, it would be done at the end when the balance purchase price is handed over to the vendor.\

3. Vendor will be saving money. That's all.

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Hi Darifoo,

1. The vendor actually agree to share 50/50 S&P fee with us. What is the disadvantages behind?

2. If I appoint the bank panel agency to handle S&P and housing loan, does it make the overall process faster and better?
jimme
post Feb 23 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 21 2012, 07:30 PM)
1. That doesn't work and is not practical. The lawyer ought to be representing you and thus act in your best interest, and not the vendor. How can that same lawyer collect half fees from vendor? Another thing is - this lawyer would've been approached by the vendor first. He can't now turn around and act for you 'against' the vendor. It's already a conflict of interest. Thirdly, the lawyer is not a robot. If the lawyer has a relationship with the vendor and the agent, do you really think that he can remain impartial and act in your best interests 100% ? I doubt so.

2. Normally it would be faster, provided the said bank panel law firm is efficient. That is what matters.

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Hi Dariafoo,

1.By impression vendor is kind, reason he wish i can use developer's panel lawyer is to get things settled faster because he is moving out from town soon. Besides he had paid certain amount for MOT and request lawyer to transfer the title directly to me, said this will save much of the time and my money since he had paid it. (is it true?) Thirdly when lawyer requested him to subsidy half of professional fee he agreed also. From above seems vendor does not have bad intention (i hope)

2.What bother me more is reliability of the developer's panel lawyer. If he is an ad-hoc lawyer, does it mean anything? If i appoint him as my SPA lawyer, how can i assure he will execute all obligations/duties in fair way by representing my rights i/o vendor's right? His quotation is simple, professional fee, stamp duty fee is usual, disbursement fee include Registration fees for MOT (with PA noting) RM420.00, Registration fees (Individual consent & master consent) RM150.00, Travelling RM100.00, Miscellaneous RM50.00. There are no land search, bankruptcy search, affirmation on statutory declaration and etc, should those be his duty and indicate on quotation?

Vendor is kind enough, understand there might have conflict using same lawyer, however i think there are standard manual that should abide by SPA lawyer, if it is written black and white then i would be relieved to appoint him.

Thanks for valuable time and advise notworthy.gif

jimme
post Feb 28 2012, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 23 2012, 11:30 PM)
1. Up to you,boss.

2. Don't think much of a difference whether panel or ad hoc. Land searches and bankruptcy search must be done by your lawyer. Perhaps an oversight on his part.
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Hi Dario,

i read through topics you answered before, really big help for better understanding on the procedures/documents, will take your advise be careful not to fooled by vendor/SPA lawyer.

Dario, appreciate your effort and time put in for public, thanks a lot!

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jimme
post Feb 29 2012, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(dariofoo @ Feb 28 2012, 12:47 PM)
The bank would normally reply between 5-10 working days. How long it takes to finish is hard to say. You might want to check with your lawyer on this.

Basically the flow is like this:
1. The vendor's bank issues redemption STATEMENT;
2. Your loan lawyer prepares all the documents and advises your bank to release the redemption sum.
3. Your bank has to issue the cheque for the redemption sum.
4. Your SPA lawyer passes the cheque and the discharge of charge [DOC] to the vendor's bank.
5. Vendor's bank executes DOC and returns it with original title, etc.
6. Your SPA lawyer dates memorandum of transfer [MOT] and submits it for adjudication.
7. LHDN will issue notice of stamp duty to be paid upon MOT.
8. SPA lawyer pays stamp duty and gets MOT stamped. DOC is also stamped with nominal stamp duty.
9. SPA lawyer hands over registration fees, DOC, MOT and other original documents to loan lawyer.
10. Loan lawyer presents DOC, MOT and charge in favour of your bank at the land office.
11. With presentation receipt and other ori docs, your loan lawyer advises bank to release final drawdown.
12. Bank release cheque for final drawdown.
13. SPA lawyer hands it to vendor, and keys are exchanged together with apportionment of outgoings - end of transaction.

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Hi Dario,

where is the preocedure that need to get consent (from land office/or majlis perbandaran?) before 3+1 months of completion date stated on SPA? Thanks.
jimme
post Feb 29 2012, 06:33 PM

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6. Your SPA lawyer dates memorandum of transfer [MOT] and submits it for adjudication.
7. LHDN will issue notice of stamp duty to be paid upon MOT.
8. SPA lawyer pays stamp duty and gets MOT stamped. DOC is also stamped with nominal stamp duty.
9. SPA lawyer hands over registration fees, DOC, MOT and other original documents to loan lawyer.

Hi Dario,

In case vendor delay on above procedure (not giving original documents) and purchaser's bank starts charging interest. Can purchaser stipulate something on SPA that if such cicusmstances happen vendor is liable for the bank interest incurred? Thanks.

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