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post May 3 2012, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ May 2 2012, 11:37 AM)
guys i want to know you guys average full tank can run how far? i mean as in RM65 - RON95
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Able to get 16km/L or 6.28L/100km.
Meaning 700km+ per full tank. Achieved it when I received my car from another owner. All stock with <3000rpm highway and little of town driving. Vacuum reading not less than 5inch hg (Light foot). KL>Johor>KL same day.

Btw my distributor a bit advanced from proton setup.

Now doing about 10km/L due to heavy foot town drive, idle waiting ppl, jam also, and probably engine oil going to die off soon...


QUOTE(DSV4600 @ May 2 2012, 04:21 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OctlJsKUrr8&feature=youtu.be

Proton SAGA - Safety, Achievement, Greatness, Ability.
Although our Saga chassis & engineering is dated back almost 28 years ago, it's still able to finish on the podium.

I managed to achieve 3rd place / 9 cars in Ultra Racing Labour Day Gymkhana @ The Mines (Class 2, 1001 - 1300 cc). Super tuning done by Mitch Chong while Ride & Handling provided by Autofoam.
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I already pening...

QUOTE(HoNeYdEwBoY @ May 3 2012, 12:51 AM)
should i modified my car into a better petrol consumption ? or just leave it there as usual?
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What you wanted to mod? brows.gif
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post May 11 2012, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(tenchi0205 @ May 10 2012, 09:19 PM)
Saga LMST if change to auto transmission, put in Wira 1.3/1.5 auto gearbox better or Saga 1.5 auto gear box better?

How is the FC after convert to auto?
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You'll only have a 3 speed gearbox for all of the gearbox listed. Expect fc to climb a lot If your conversion is from 5speed manual to 3speed auto.

And if you frequent highway driving, 3speed auto is not so recommended. You'll rev your engine more due to limited 3speed availability.

However, expect your left leg and hand to rest, tackle slope easier,probably more comfy ride too (less jerking in shifting gear)
QUOTE(XCloudz @ May 11 2012, 07:48 AM)
Anyone encounter exhaust smell within the car?
Tried to drive without turning on the aircon this morning...
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Check.with v24... It's lmst signature problem..
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post May 14 2012, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(kazuya90 @ May 14 2012, 04:58 PM)
hello guys, to day i realised my lmst got a hole at the btm of the radio there blowing air con out. Can i DIY something to block the air con hole so that the  air con will blow from the upper vent hole ???? if can, can anyone suggest me how to DIY ??? what material ??? will the DIY damage the air con ???
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Sponge is also recommended. Just make sure you get a firm one, not soft type and stuck it like no tomorrow.

To completely solve this prob, go sc recalibrate all adjusters for the air con distribution panel. Or if you free, take out the radio panel, then remove the plastic beside air con panel, then push those levers at its right place.. All max to edges of gear.. (once u saw it u'll understand what I mean) If this still doesn't solve the air con flowing everywhere, then need to manually adjust those shutter door I don't know dy.

It's not advisable to switch the air con distribution. Lmst signature prob.
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post May 15 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(mH3nG @ May 14 2012, 07:51 PM)
Is the problem limited to the full spec lmst? Cos i have the basic spec and I don't have this problem. Although it would be nice to have some cold air directed at my feet. smile.gif
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25k spec wont have this problem due to no air coon distribution adjuster.. (That's one of the positive point for 25k LMST nod.gif )

For me, I dun really like the air con on my feet... LMST air con is considered chilling cold at half bar. Can't imagine it blowing at the feet. Once you switched to feet, prepared to stay like this forever, (More air con to feet eventually), and lose a lot of air from front panel. Unless go back sc everytime you decided to switch back hmm.gif

QUOTE(kazuya90 @ May 15 2012, 12:06 AM)
haha... ok ok.. i will try to use duct tape.... Which part else do u apply the duct tape ???


Added on May 15, 2012, 12:10 am
May i know where can i get the firm sponge ???  Are there any lmst common air con leaking area that i can apply the sponge ??
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My sponge is like those firm sponge used for sitting cushion... So is quite firm... Just cut it oversized bit and stuck it there. Mine is grey coloured sponge btw, if this helps.

I never thought of ductape before... But I guess it'll seal better then sponge. You'll still get some air with sponge, so I prefer sponge icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 21 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(tengsim @ May 21 2012, 11:45 AM)
Im having that problem too..any sifu know how to solve this problem? @@

my fren was freak off when i fetching them with high speed cause of that burning smell ...LOL
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This problem can be solved by covering exterior air inlet inside the cabin. By covering it you will have no option to allow exterior air in next time. Instructions is somewhere in v24 or v23. I'm also experiencing this problem since day 1. Even my previous owner complained at sc on everytime service.

Btw, today went for tyre change for michelin xm2. Rm 200 Pricey for 14" I think.. Anyways, camber is 0.5 out, unable to adjust without changing camber screw. Price quoted rm100.. Isn't bit too much for a screw?

Parents noted that original proton camber screw is better than those shops one.. True? Pls enlighten how much is it for original and normal ones..
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post May 22 2012, 01:13 AM

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QUOTE(mH3nG @ May 21 2012, 09:00 PM)
I think the camber screw should cost about RM20-25 maybe less.
When in doubt, go to your regular tyre shop or get a second opinion from another shop.
Personally, I'd recommend Kean Lee Hin Tyre Service because he's my go to guy for anything related to tyres and suspension but that depends on where you live as his shop is situated along Jalan Ipoh.

As for tyre prices, you can find them here.
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Waliao... Luckily ran out of cash, if not slash throat. Parents quoted me about RM40 for waja's, some normal camber screw, comments, not good, makes a lot of noise on the car.

Erm, its my first change of tyres, the ori stock proton CC1 tyres lasted from 2007 till now, 34400km, went through 2 owners. So I have no regular tyre shop yet, not even service shop. Lol.

Thanks, may pay a visit there, Jalan Ipoh is not far since i'm from PJ. Had heard of him in LYN much.

EDIT: Yea, i'm aware and went to the shop which pricing is RM200... Its all around 215 in PJ area for michelin XM2, only there cheapest.

QUOTE(Lowenkreuz @ May 21 2012, 10:18 PM)
I wonder where can get Yokohama A Drive in kuching.... >_>
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Its very difficult to get yokohama tyres here for my size. Searched through PJ dy... Wonder how's Yokohama doing... rclxub.gif

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post May 23 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ May 22 2012, 11:06 PM)
yup... but d price usually is not included adjustment.. some shop quote rm30 per side adjustment..some rm40 for both side...
how lower u mean? gap from fender different between both side?
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Oh. Thanks bro.

Just wonder, our stock setup does not permit changes in camber right? Which means camber screw from Proton is originally just fixed...

Just wonder can we adjust other stuffs instead of camber? Or is it something must have gone very wrong (Parts failed)?
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post Jun 8 2012, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(afsarudy @ May 30 2012, 03:42 PM)
Guys, my 'window' light at the meter there always blinking now everytime my car bounce. I suspect my right hand door light switch as my right door seems like not close properly nowdays. (tak rapat one).
But I now I think its cause by my rear bonet light switch.
So my question is, where is the switch located for rear bonet?
I try up and down looking for it (without taking of anything la) but cant seems to find it.
Can anybody help me? Its better if it comes with photos.


Added on May 30, 2012, 4:36 pmOne more, what is our rear rim offset guys? I mean rear offset for LMST.
Coz now I'm using sport rim Waja (the 5 spoke one) and need to put 'plate' or something to prevent tyre to hit body one.
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I dunno whether your iswara/saga is saloon / aeroback...

Here is pic of aeroback version, should be similar as Proton just used in on nearly all their sagas/iswaras. You can remove the wire circled on your boot lid "latch". Once removed, the door light should never on again when you open the boot. Then you can isolate the boot sensor and troubleshoot see whether other door sensors are giving you problem or not.
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Btw, if removed, alarm won't sound if thief very free enter from your boot yea... Lol.

QUOTE(Lowenkreuz @ May 31 2012, 03:18 PM)
o.0 grounding not enough? i got additional 3 point mounting wiht a volt stabilzer oso woh... >_<
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The problem might lie on insufficient grounding on the rear aeroback boot lid itself. The brake light shares grounding with your number plate light and demister inside a relatively thin ground wire. The ground wire probably runs from car chassis, the aeroback lid metal is somehow not grounded.

Btw, our RM25k/27k LMST seemed to have quite large gap between the chassis and the boot lid glass... Older iswara's have rubber beside glass...

So I turned manufacturer's cost saving scheme:
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Auxiliary brake alert light activated only when lights are on... Daylight see nothing for cheapo LEDs that I used...
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post Jun 14 2012, 11:49 AM

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Nice goodies collection bro..

QUOTE(mH3nG @ Jun 13 2012, 11:20 PM)
Guys, with the recent increase in car theft, is there a way to improve our car's security? Apart from the removable steering.
Would it be possible to fit a cut-off for the fuel pump and does our saga lmst come with one in the first place?
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Bro, you remove steering everytime you leave your car? There's such devices in market?
No fuel pump bro, our fuel pump using latest vacuum technology.. Haha
But I had an idea of installing some switches on few wires of our carburetor..
So once the switch is off, the starter still cranks but the engine just wont run..

Even if thieves rob ur car while enginee on, turn off that switch when you leave the car with engine on, the carburetor will die off slowly without warning, then confirm won't start unless they found the hidden switch.. While the car will he drivable in less than 10m.. Troll them and u better get help quick as they'll definitely find back you..
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post Jun 14 2012, 06:36 PM

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QUOTE(mH3nG @ Jun 14 2012, 03:09 PM)
Haha. Removing the steering wheel ala Mr Bean isn't practical at al in real life.
I saw your post regarding this a few threads back but there wasn't any reply. But did you manage to diy that switch?


Added on June 14, 2012, 3:20 pm

How bad is bad? 12L per 100 km?
Have you serviced the air filter? Also check the tyre pressure and make sure they're at optimum pressure.
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I had not managed to get the switch up yet. Since it's wire is thin, I suggest there'll be not much current passing through. A simple switch to hidden dash area will do. According to sifu the wire is for the carburetor. When I was pulling my vacuum tube for vacuum meter, disconnected that for easier access. Did not connect afterwards. Car starter crank like 10sec but engine just doesn't run!

Even better than our stock starter cut off, cause nowadays they used alarm diagnostic device already enough to gaotim those expensive car alarms, our stock alarm? doh.gif

So this hidden switch will enable the thief pass through everything except driving away. He'll be deadly trolled when the car cranks but no response from engine.. For towing, i'm still trying to figure out how to use shock sensor incorporated into our stock alarm hmm.gif
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post Jun 15 2012, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(mH3nG @ Jun 14 2012, 09:57 PM)
I was initially thinking of putting in one of those fancy two way alarms but that was made redundant as a car which was fitted with one of those high tech alarms was stolen anyway (and the alarm didn't go off!). So the only way to keep those pesky thieves at bay are to look for old skool methods to delay them and hopefully confound them. But to install that switch isn't easy because I'm not familiar with the wiring.


Added on June 15, 2012, 12:16 am

Try cleaning the throttle body. It might help with reducing the fc.
I just used ThreeBond in my car. I'm pretty satisfied with the results although I'm still monitoring the fc for the time being. Others who have used it say that their fc has gone down.

You can find the thread here.

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1300861
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Yeap, its in the newspapers where expensive cars are stolen with a simple tool of alarm diagnostic device, available at car accessories/alarm specialists shop. Cost a bomb for that but stealing one high-end car would probably worth more than the device already.

Old school starter cut off switch is possible on our LMST. Just dunno which wire to tap from alarm box. But i would prefer the carburettor way as its more unsuspecting to thief. (Trolling also)

I would try wire up and see whether it works. I'll post a proper step by step tutorial once done and tested for few weeks.

EDIT: Bro, do update on effect of 3bond on your fc. Very interested... My car fc dropped from 16km/L to 11km/L on highway... Probably need some med for car..
QUOTE(ILikePie @ Jun 15 2012, 02:26 AM)
I know this might sound stupid but, where's the cat con location for LMST?
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If not mistaken no cat con for carburettor cars... If got probably poisoned very fast right? hmm.gif

Sifus come in...

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post Jun 23 2012, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(mH3nG @ Jun 21 2012, 11:13 PM)
The main ones are front strut, fender, room bar, rear strut and rear arb.
The fender bars help with the traction while the front strut and rear arb helps when you're cornering or shifting lanes. Not sure of the impact for the other bars as I haven't installed them yet. smile.gif
Need to wait for input from the sifoos here.
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Thought our chassis is too weak until front strut bar won't affect much?
Btw, does rear ARB makes our absorber kong faster?

QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Jun 22 2012, 10:23 AM)
i installed front strut bar, front lower bar, side bar, rear strut bar, ARB....lol fender bar not yet..
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How's the effect of side bar? I'm planning for that first though... Will it hit when pass bump like 20km/h?
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post Jul 1 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(low yat 82 @ Jun 23 2012, 10:16 PM)
ermm... cant remember la..lol..sure have different 1 if not, y they make d bar biggrin.gif
installation, ea autoworks or any shop dat u familiar . gee21's ctech mekanik also ok.
if u wan cheap price for saga iswara, mayb u can look out at csi forum... d price r darn cheap..
side bar a? after install much stable, but d prob is, kinda difficult to maintain.. everytime u jack up ur car, its prone to  make d bar kemek...if u car is lowered 30mm or more wit stock abs, confirm will hit higher than normal bump..

mine wit adjustable n roughly 20mm lowered, no prob goin through higher than normal bump.. but usual will slowdown to avoid any risk kena side bar..lol
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Meaning lets say I jack up the front of my car, I had just sent my side bar to heaven? So is there any other way to prevent it from bent but still jack my car? (tyre change or whatever)

QUOTE(Shawnzz @ Jun 23 2012, 10:37 PM)
dun install side bar or 4point bar if u are running on sport spring/ lowered. Confirm, everywhere parking/hump u go, u confirm will hit the bar 1.
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Stock spring and abs ok? I'm really planning that for my first bar. Most expensive one... Pocket ar...

QUOTE(poolcarpet @ Jun 26 2012, 01:53 PM)
Hi all, just sharing a little guide on cleaning Iswara AC blower. Very simple job, I did it for the first time in less than 15 mins.

Download the guide (PDF format) from here ->
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Good job and share bro!

QUOTE(salimbest83 @ Jun 27 2012, 11:06 PM)
hi guys.
any one can help me cabut this player.
dunno how to open it.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-EmzZvnsk...0627_191519.jpg

coz this holder is broke. need to remove cable from that back playyer
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https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9HNhZpy8...0627_191538.jpg
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Wira?
You'll need to remove the gold frame around your AC and player. If I still remember, 2 screws below the middle bar (On top of player, below the AC panel). Take out ashtray, on top part should be another 2 screws. Then probably you can pull out the gold panel already. After that, just remove screws from the bracket around the player.

Disclaimer: From my recall of 5 years ago punya memories. If after remove screws still cant pull out, better opt for any acc shop.

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post Jul 20 2012, 09:32 AM

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Sifus,
Need some help here.
Any idea on removing the lmst rear bumper?
My reverse sensor had poked right into the bumper, need advice to pull it out, if not I'll just remove the bumper to gaotim..

Just realised there were so many screws and even metal behind the bumper... More solid then expected, but now my reverse sensor is between them..
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post Jul 22 2012, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jul 20 2012, 09:22 PM)
possibly your clutch cable is sticking...time to change...the liner is probably worn out badly


Added on July 20, 2012, 9:24 pm

if you can jack up your car you can access the sensors without removing the bumper
it is above and over the structural bracket/beam
try not to remove the bumper...realignment is usually quite hard and sometimes it never really sits back as well into the original position... sad.gif
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From what I see when i'm below the rear, there's a steel plate thingy that's behind the bumper. And my hand can't just slip into the gap between the steel plate and bumper. Do I have to remove the steel plate thingy (Looks like can't be removed)..Perhaps i'll just snap a pic later...
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post Jul 22 2012, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(neosaint99 @ Jul 22 2012, 12:26 PM)

Which saga you driving? Yes, a pic would be most helpful

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I'm on LMST Merdeka promo RM27k.
Here's the pic of sensor eye: (Back of sensor eye is already chassis I assume? It has the anti-karat paste on it)
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The view from the exhaust, basically going below the bumper, that's what I saw. Metal chassis, bumper, and a slice of metal in between them:
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Any ideas?
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Jul 22 2012, 01:41 PM)

Added on July 22, 2012, 1:45 pm

over 160km/h consider speeding with a 3speeder iswara auto? lol

and since you're having goodyear on your rears, might wanna be careful of rear tail spins during wet conditions. iswara especially aerobacks are infamous for that  doh.gif
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He's right, I just had a tail spin this week on a narrow bridge, stock tyre about 30% thread above tyre change indicator. Luckily it's 4am in morning though. If not probably won't be posting this already.

No rain but damped roads, no water puddle. It just happened. Careful man...

(Not sure but passed by a stopping tow car in sight less than 5m, hoped that i'm not set up, i quickly flew as my car is still driveable)
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QUOTE(Lowenkreuz @ Aug 14 2012, 09:35 PM)
My car electrical got weird problem again...
The 3rd brake light is on when I'm not stepping on the brake and when brake is pressed, the 3rd brake light turned off while the car's number plate lamp turned off....
I nvr kacau the wiring b4 leh, only last time change the fuse and recently change battery nia... what might be the problem? Is it the fuse again?

This may be trivial but sometimes i heard airplane sound from the rear fake pioneer 5" speakers....
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Airplane sound, what I have experienced with my stock radio is with the RCA cables connected, make sure the cables are not touching any part of the chassis or between themselves. (Mine was dangling there, now i tape it already) Unless if connect amp then otherwise.

My situation is higher rev will result a 747 landing nearer on my tweeters, no rev then unnoticable.

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