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 Are property prices going to up further? V4, nothing's gonna stop us now

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post Dec 6 2011, 08:23 PM

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QUOTE(JustNobody @ Dec 6 2011, 07:32 PM)
China already implemented each household only can have 2 property. They are not allowed to buy the third one. A lot of Chinese people said Malaysian property is consider cheap to them. I come across to know that in China you have to buy car park with cash. Many property does not include car park... When they heard that we provide 2 car parks, many of them said our property is very cheap even with Rm 1000 psf..
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a friend of mine working in Beijing since 2007, he said the condo in the city area cost RM1,200 - 1,500psf in year 2008/9, now RM3,500psf.
he was so regrets not invest in Beijing
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post Dec 9 2011, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(GigiZum @ Dec 9 2011, 04:12 PM)
If you buy at 500k now. .. then enjoy by selling 1.5million 20 years later...

Those who born now. .. at their 20s... they need to fork out 1.5million from pocket... with they starting pay... 
for 1.5million loan... repayment is about 6-7k (90% margin at interest rate BLR - 2.5% > 4.1% for 30 years!!)
How much a starting salary it should be at that time?? Do you think a fresh graduate can make 20k at that time?

Next generation will definately suffer...  It will ended up either renting from the rich who bought property now. .. 
Those who have farsight will buy for their child now. ..

But wheather the 1.5million will come real??? 12.2012 coming??!! . ..  We dont know what will happen next. ..  rclxub.gif
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you're worry to much, maybe your children be the next steve jobs ler. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 12 2011, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(airline @ Dec 11 2011, 08:25 PM)
Now is bbb period nobody cares about mont kiara
I still prefer klcc and mont kiara myself
Now all buy dibs think, talk and worry later
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QUOTE(samuelazz @ Dec 11 2011, 09:45 PM)
Now it looks like Mont Kiara older property seems to have reasonable pricing trading between rm 380 to rm 600 psf.
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nowadays many area are much expensive than mont kiara, Reflection Mutiara damansara launched 750psf, where subsales unit in Seni is asking 600-650psf.
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post Dec 12 2011, 10:33 AM

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QUOTE(airline @ Dec 12 2011, 10:10 AM)
Good luck to them I presume?
Their quality can be better than seni?
Seni I roughy lowest now rm680
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although i don't buy the Reflection but can't comment much on the high selling price, i personally prefer mont kiara, i think other than KLCC, bangsar and damasara height, mont kiara also one of the expat's 1st choice. for own stay, there's still worth to buy compare to other location, for investment, there's still some good units to invest, if one's familiar the condo and area there.

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post Dec 13 2011, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 13 2011, 09:24 AM)
I don't think property > RM400psf is reasonable at all. I'm actually worry for those people buying property > RM400psf. Some are buying like RM1000psf. This people will hard hit if property price drop back to reasonable level.

Although I'm buying property, I still think maximum affordable house is RM200psf to maximum of RM400psf. Anything more than this is just too scary.
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15 years ago, people were complaining a 800sf condo cost 120k.
in klang valley, people are accepted a well facilities condo price 400k for 1000sf, means 400psf. nowadays if any developer launch at 300psf, people will say; wow! is cheap. hence it's become a baseline in our mindset.
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post Dec 13 2011, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 13 2011, 10:07 AM)
I also bought a RM400psf condo which myself is very worry about. So I'm shocked that there's people who willing to fork out RM1000psf. I'm actually worry about them.  icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 13 2011, 11:13 AM)
I scared this cannot be supported by our income. Anything go up will comes down.  icon_question.gif
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those 1000psf located at prime area, those buyers also prime income, maybe prime minister biggrin.gif
don't worry too much about because there have such prime person to support that, it may not support by you or me.
the new launch and brand new subsales in bangsar already cost 1200psf, i don't think the price drop because we have enough prime income person to support, Shahrizat also one of them rclxms.gif not the 'cap ayam' fella to buy and wait for price appreciation. even your little brother me myself with daily rate 2k are willing to support 650-700psf for bigger unit (2000+ sf) in MK.

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post Dec 13 2011, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 13 2011, 06:38 PM)
Dun worry. China property crashing now. China people will go back to China to buy. Malaysia property  will crash due to no China people coming buy.
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your comment / statement always make my day thumbup.gif


Added on December 13, 2011, 7:15 pm
QUOTE(22222222 @ Dec 13 2011, 05:04 PM)
China ppl expected property price average will drop 50%....2 u believe it...smile.gif

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-02/r...dam-minter.html
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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 13 2011, 05:15 PM)
Shanghai prices already dropped 40% from the peak.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-chin...2603,full.story
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The government intentionally slammed the price to 40% down rather than control the price be stagnant, but not to affect the whole economy collapse from the bubble, very interesting strategy from the chinese government, really interested to follow up what's the next they gonna do.
i'm pity on the home buyers who made the downpayment before the developer slashed prices 25% on unsold units to attract new buyers, i'm wondering any developer here in malaysia going to do so during the bad market response, unless the developer intentionally for doing one time business and quit from property development industry!

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post Dec 15 2011, 02:31 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:09 PM)
Well, we can blame few side.

a) developer - set unrealistic price
b) bank - willing to lend out a lot of money to investor
c) investor - willing to buy buy buy

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for me; no one can blame except our own, not smart enough, not inteligent enough, not proactive enough, not aggressive enough.
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post Dec 15 2011, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:34 PM)
How about those people who are still studying or not yet born? How to be proactive and get a house before it rise until now? Blame their mother for not buying house for them?  icon_question.gif
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Don't too worry about them, they have yet to complain and blame anyone, the proactive one will have their own way to develop their career, and the rest will complain the property price at 3000psf
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post Dec 15 2011, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 15 2011, 02:50 PM)
wah, RM3000psf..... my 4000sqft shophouse will be RM12 million.  rclxms.gif
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If your shoplot happening like Bangsar, why not
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post Dec 16 2011, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(prody @ Dec 16 2011, 09:40 AM)
What do you think will happen to material prices when China slows down even more?
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What do you think will happen to the price of Kopi-O ice and Chicken rice when China slows down even more?

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post Dec 16 2011, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 16 2011, 09:56 AM)
I think material price will drop. Because all this is demand and supply. Even house will drop half due to demand and supply. Next year recession coming. More people lose their job and force to sell their flipping condo. And some more we have condo glut. Condo holder will die next year man.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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would you able to hold your 4 storey shophouse?
touch wood if you can't; please give the 1st priority to let me know, i buy from you with cheap cheap price thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(sampool @ Dec 16 2011, 10:13 AM)
hehe... u also agreed the market will crash....  rclxms.gif
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to be honest, i already disposed some and get ready cash, still keep some confidence one and keep rented out.
doesn't matter market crash or not, i still can buy rclxms.gif
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post Dec 16 2011, 10:53 AM

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No doubt US and europe in deep shit now, it making other region in a worry, everybody are predict the crisis coming on next year, somemore can predict end 2012/ early 2013, even the aunty in the wet market also can tell you the same; "Europe no good lo, next year we die la, save more money now, property drop next year".
Whether the crisis happen or not, still a question mark. but sometime we keep discuss among our friends, the crisis which happened so far, do we really be able to predict before it happen? not only you and me, not only the economist, even char kuey tiew uncle aunty be able to tell the same story, most people are keep the ready cash to standby, pull hand brake for big spending, put on hold to buy big car, wait for Genting share drop till RM3.20 like happened year 2009. if most people be able to know it going to happen and get ready to prevent, that's not so call crisis then?? there will not many poor people in the world then? Mahathir won't big spent on KLCC, Putrajaya, KLIA before 1997 then? the American will get ready before 2008 then!


Added on December 16, 2011, 10:55 am
QUOTE(prody @ Dec 16 2011, 10:05 AM)
You don't want to answer the question?
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i actually answered your question with asked you a question.

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post Dec 16 2011, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 16 2011, 11:01 AM)
Here is the reason 2012 recession definitely happened and most people holding condo will bankrupt:
a) property is overpriced and many people saving and salary is sucked into banking system. So less money people have, less spending.
b) with less spending, retail business collapsed. And there's job loss due to bankruptcy of company because less people spending
c) overseas market collapse due to recession. And also this make job loss even more.
d) no one renting expensive house creating glut and bankruptcy of condo holders
e) and more....

2012 is not end of the world. Its just the end of greed. Welcome to US housing market where price drop of 40% is norm.
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Ah gogo,

i'm not telling you the crisis won't happen, i'm just telling you it's still a question mark! and beyond you and me to predict. if you and me be able to predict so accurately, i don't think we're sitting in front of monitor screen or iphone with lowyat forum, we better sit in OSK investment to predict which counter in the share market will boom.
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post Dec 16 2011, 11:39 AM

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one thing need remind you guys that before the US crisis, there were also some fella to hope the property price to drop till their desire price level, and now the price drop more than what they want, from $150k till $30K, is not only cheap, is really dirt cheap, i believe many of them still don't buy, and i believe most of us here know why!
Usually people afford to buy one, or those already own a property won't care much the price keep going up or drop, understand that many are suffering to own one with the high eacalated price nowadays, most of them are mid to low income group which less saving, affordability for loan repayment, problem with the 10% down, loan approval etc......and now! most of them are desire to welcome the strong cirisis, only strong crisis be able to have the force to pull the price in heavy drop, please remind that don't always celebrate too early, because you're applying your current situation/status income to the desire price level, but yes if nothing affect your employment or business status by then, otherwise the benefit still goes to the rich.
we can think or say whatever we want here, is free of charge anyway, but in reality, that's not so straight forward

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QUOTE(iloveuforever @ Dec 16 2011, 11:54 AM)
You sure? haha.....lets see how is works....no worries...i got alot of cash in hand after selling those property....i have strong back up  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  flex.gif  flex.gif  whistling.gif
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errr..... you also did the same thing as me rclxms.gif
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 16 2011, 11:47 AM)
By the way, many people buy property is not because they can afford it. They only get cheap loan from bank. Especially flipper. This flipper will cry next year with negative equity.
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some fella yes, but for some fella who can afford, answer may 'no' for them, there always have auction out there, whether good or bad market, if you did survey enough in the market, you'll be able to get one. means in market there's many type of owner with different income level, some may not afford to hold and disposed with cheaper price, or even come worst goes to auction, but someone with better financial status will fill in for that.
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post Dec 16 2011, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Dec 16 2011, 12:25 PM)
Maybe half de price. Boleh kongsi ga?
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I 60% you 40%, ok? smile.gif
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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Dec 16 2011, 12:43 PM)
wah, my shop lot so high demand.  laugh.gif
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why you buy shoplot now?
many owners will bankrupt next year, you may get much cheaper stuff then biggrin.gif


Added on December 16, 2011, 12:51 pmsometime i'm really confuse about your direction, you owned one and going to buy another, and now you're celebrating upfront for next year crisis.

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